My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
3,000. Sorry, puerile.
@Katie and the press never get it wrong eh ? lol
@ Watcher
You are right – you got there before me. Sorry. Trying to follow this thread and all the links posted here is a case of massive information overload, a grand tour of everything from levantine politics to cutting-edge nuclear weapons technology.
@Peter, no worries…
@Q ……What’s with all the random links to sexy weapons technologies? The hafnium bomb angle was developed by looking at zirconium processing and it’s by products. I don’t see the value in wild speculation about plasma weapons, lightning or Coronal Mass Ejections
@Suhayl Saadi
“Does the UK state assassinate individuals?”
The ex-spy, David Shaylor says it does.
I still find it hard to believe there was no signal, coverage in France is pretty good, & to think a 3 k makes that much difference is baffling. The only thing I can think of is that BM would have had an English phone & I do know that can make a difference.
Suhayl…….David Kelly ?
Peter and James are elves and sprites but I can’t figure out which is which! 🙂
Does the UK state assassinate individuals? Does anyone know the answer to that very simple question?
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The UK won’t be any whiter than other countries. It probably assassinate’s its fair share like the rest of them probably do. In the UK we seem to like to dress our targets up in kinky gear and shove oranges in their mouths once we’ve taken them out …as you pointed out.
@ katy
If they’re going to stick a mast up the last on the list is a rural area/mountain/anywhere populated mostly by sheep…or goats, so sketchy coverage in an area like that would be more to be expected than not.
Signals can’t get over mountains so there could be a mast near there but the carpark may be on the wrong side of the hill, or just outside of the coverage radius for the mast, whereas the bottom of the road just manages to catch the dregs of a signal.
I researched EMP extensively for my book, I had my fictional characters build an EMP device to fry everything in a massive Datacenter. Very doable on a small scale. It was also used in Ocean’s 11 to take out the electricity in Lost Wages. 🙂
.big.gov are very worried by a burst at altitude, it could send 1st world countries back to the stone age in an instant, all cars with chips and ecus would stop, trains planes and automobiles kaput. No electricity. No phones, no play stations James 🙂
Lots of high level conferences going on discussing the threat.
@Dopey – Are you saying they assasinated David Carradine? (smiley face)!!!
At least there wasn’t any women’s underwear or bondage equipment.
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Suggest wait for i/p from James ref the above! 🙂
@Dopey – Are you saying they assasinated David Carradine? (smiley face)!!!
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Well I was thinking more of British MP’s Grasshopper.
Does the UK state assassinate individuals? Does anyone know the answer to that very simple question?
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Of course they do.
Researched this for years.
SAS are involved all over the place, we never hear about their activities.
Increment do wet work, ex special forces, plausible deniability – suggest you read Sir Ranulph Fiennes fictional book on the subject. Great read actually, much better than Andy M.
All the major players have these people, or they hire them.
About SILEX and tubes:
http://www.truthaboutenergy.com/fuel_cycle.html
Is there any intel noise about this assassination? Anyone with such links hear anything…? Mark Golding…?
Almost a rhetorical question, I know.
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The BIGGEST noise is this thread. 😉
It is DEAFENING. 🙂
4000 posts, getting on for…
Someone wants this thread invaded with false trails, disinformation, red herrings.
The robot automaton posters are out in force.
I hafnium a clue why!!!??!!! 😉 🙂
Mobile phone reception. A whole scrum of journos and photographers were in that car park. All would carry a mobile phone. All would probably want to make a call from there. Did they? There is a lot of Vimeo footage of the blood ,tyremark and glass photo-op. Need to look.
That Al-Hilli tandem is a very nice looking machine,well set up, the sort a very fit and sporty couple might buy. NOT anything people who wear islamic headscarves might ride. Lycra more like. It looks a bit like a Thorn. They seem from that to be quite serious cyclists. 26″ wheels, modern style. Pehraps Rohloff hub gear. I guess they would not use a tandem in the Alps. (By the way did any early reports from the campsite mention the mother?)
Their single bikes used to come in this colour. See pic on p3.
http://www.sjscycles.com/thornpdf/ThornRavenTwinBroLoRes.pdf
Thanks, Dopey and all. It feels like I’m in a fairy tale, talking to the Seven Dwarves (of which I am one)! Where, then, is Snow White?
Katie, wrt David Kelly, yes, I agree. Interesting, though, that we know almost nothing about these matters, even people – and there are many good, decent, progressive people – who work for the state (FCO, police) – or are political pundits and even possibly Her Majesty, The Queen (“there are forces about which we know little…”) genuinely don’t know the answer to my very simple question.
We know, after Empire-including-Northern Ireland, and Iraq, etc., that there are no overgarments; some of us have always known because our parents saw Empire up close and sharp.
It is as though, unlike (ex-HRH) Princess Diana’s daughter-in-law, Her Royal Highness, the Duchess of Cambridge, the emperor needs this final undergarment to continue to project the illusion upon which societal compliance depends.
@Dopey – Are you saying they assasinated David Carradine? (smiley face)!!!
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Funny you should say that, all these supposed auto-erotic deaths, eh! Michael Hutchence was another, it is defo IMHO a calling card of certain agencies.
Bad enough doing it, but they want to mock the target too. Very satanic IMO.
Well if there are any spooks on here can you start making yourself useful and tell us what this is all about because the lack of actual Media coverage and Information is starting to hack me off! is there actually a news blackout?
I have security clearance if that matters!
@Katie. From the beginning I thought a Kelly-Dando mixture. And so it has panned out.
Suhayl, you heard of Steaknife?
“NOT anything people who wear islamic headscarves might ride. Lycra more like.” Felix.
It is entirely possible to wear a headscarf and cycle. Our mothers and grandmothers did it all the time (in miniskirts, though probably not in lycra).
repro-retro.com/uncategorized/cycling-chic/
guardian.co.uk/sport/the-womens-blog-with-jane-martinson/2012/jul/23/sports-hijabs-muslim-women-olympics
Flanders,
What’s the book you’ve been writer for ten years called ?
“The Adventures of Magnet and Steele” !
Frank Magnet and Tony Steele…just a couple of cops that operate outside the law….!
…but when there’s trouble, they come together…like magnets and steel !!!
Well if there are any spooks on here can you start making yourself useful and tell us what this is all about because the lack of actual Media coverage and Information is starting to hack me off! is there actually a news blackout?
I have security clearance if that matters!
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Me too. I’m not the sort to blab anything.
I knew the book what I wrote (Ernie Wise) would drag James out of his vivarium! 🙂
Anders777, yes, Steaknife was the British agent high up in the IRA – their Quartermaster, allegedly. There was also Brian Crozier, IRD and that Army unit. Dirty tricks. Assassinations of Roman Catholics. And so on. Imperialism, applied in Ireland (as had always been the case), 1970s/80s-style. Lobster magazine, brilliant.
@ Suhayl, the neighbours would know all about that. But highly unlikely. It would stand out a mile on an expensive tandem. Tandem cycling is a whole different game from cycling on a bike for one. It is not about popping down to Claygate shopping parade.