My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@James
Yes, but there was no translation on the page I got directed to.
@Dopey @GuyF @All that page doesn’t translate very well about the theft. Was this a power plant that had metal stolen from it? Or just a metal processing/storage pace?
I have found only those two reports (from French papers).
I think one is awaiting the Mod, but it reads the same as the Le Dauphine one.
Trouble is it just says “steal metals”.
Is that “scap” ???
At 6.30pm on a Tuesday afternoon ?
*place – correction
Still from this:
http://www.lemessager.fr/Actualite/Chablais/2012/09/05/article_messager_1623629.shtml
Entry of Fri 7/9
17.30 The trunk was full of business because the couple were staying in a caravan.
5.55 pm The car had a flat tyre visibly.
{google translations -need confirming}
At Roland !
Mucker, do you want me to do everythiong for you ???
Hit google translate…and cut and paste it !
I did stick the translation on there as Dopey had asked for it…
..and I was mid doing it.
Now researching what “metals” are left “knocking around” at that (such a) plant.
Bt if you said to me, “lets break into there (a nuclear plant) and steal the copper from the roof”….
I’d say “can we not find somewhere not so bloomin secure” !
..and add “and shall we do it at night” !!!
Would infer they had inside help …
Has no one thought that the girl was the barganing chip and the girl wasn’t in the car that day, she had already been kidnapped
That is why they moved camp site so that no one would notice the missing child
Great info about hafnium in that link.
Easy to read and once you read it you know what it is all about.
Much recommended for those who care.
http://aciers.free.fr/index.php/2011/03/07/hafnium-small-supply-big-applications-us/
On September 8th there was a double murder in the street in Grenoble -dismissed as being completely unrelated to the Al-Hilli murders.
Was that right?
http://www.imageglobe.be/editorial/gallery/3947076
Distinct lack of reports:-
Double murder in France – Image Globe – Editorial
http://www.imageglobe.be/editorial/gallery/39470768 Sep 2012 – Gallery detail: Double murder in France … seventies was slightly injured on September 8, 2012 is seen in a street in Grenoble, central France.
It was a meet at the car park so that the kidnappers could extract info from al hilli
Watcher.
I get that it was “an attempt”
…and your last comment, due to the time, I have to agree with you there.
from lemessager article
17:45 Macabre discovery Wednesday afternoon Horses (Haute-Savoie). Four bodies were found, a priori killed by firearms in this town located in the hills of Lake Annecy. A vehicle was found parked in a parking lot near the state-owned forest road Combe d’Ire. Three bodies were found in the car, including a young child, according to a source close to the investigation. Nearby, was also discovered a cyclist, also died, and a young daughter, alive but seriously injured. Mayor of the village is made on site, and an important backup device was deployed
Note at 17:45 they had already found the younger sister in the car. i.e. young child as one of the three bodies
It all went wrong when mollier turned up
@ Ro-Land re : ‘one of girls is missing’
it was reported , that when police were at campsite investigating, other campers informed them that family had 2 daughters therefore police then realised that as far as they were concerned they only had the 7 year old that one was ‘missing’ so they opened the doors and had a rummage on the floor in back and luckily the 4 year old hadnt drowned in her mother’s and ‘strange unknown’ woman’s blood… or was that Gendarmes not local police….
oh, if anyone is friends with Brian Cox, could they get him to write in here and bring us all up to date on hafnium and whether an egg size WMD is possible
@Ricki Tarr
Good call! It could be so, I’m keeping an open mind about it.
How did Zainab get her injuries too? was she pistol wipped to get someone to do as they were told, didn’t work, so another bash to the head, still no joy, so a shot top upper right torso, then they will definately do as they are told, no?
What I really meant was this: What would be the repercussions if a senior, credible person – a Govt Minister or well-known Chief Constable, say – came out in public and stated that the UK state assassinates individuals, that this had been going on for years and years – always – and that it continues today, that there is a permanent government-within-the-state which acts in its own interests, and so on?
After the initial Red Top efflorescence they would not be given airtime, would be reported as having gone insane and might even end up in a dark wood, not with us good Seven Dwarves, but with the Evil Queen, her mirror and a slice of apple in their mouths.
Sorry, I don’t mean to diver the thread. Just something that’s often bugged me
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OK, Robin Cook IMHO was whacked, out hill walking, because he stood up against the Blair/Zionist/Necon cabal, which pervades SIS. He resigned, made a MAGNIFICENT speech to the commons, and was dead in a heartbeat. Now, how did Blair get parachuted from absolutely nowhere, to become PM, in no time, and lead us into disaster after disaster with his rabid warmongering? I’m keeping this REAL simple. Who else was whacked whilst out hill walking, paving the way for Antonia Miranda Blair? Yes, the leader of the Labour Party. It’s all in that movie by Roman Polanski.
The ones who are offed are dangerous (to TPTB), the ones who aren’t, are not. They are either turned, or sacked, or marginalized. Eventually they wear out, and nobody listens to them anymore. Standard MO, happens in all countries.
These lizards are not very imaginative, they always repeat what is know to wok and has been known to work since Sumer. (And beyond, but that is another matter! 😉 )
And Thatcher is on record about speaking about supra governments, who rule the show, with the CFR, RIIA etc.
Watcher…
And if you think that’s strange.
Just checked The Romanian Times. Check this out !
Nuclear Winter
Kathryn Quinn
A couple started a nuclear scare when border guards found the blanket they’d bought for a cold winter road trip was giving off radioactive readings.
A routine Geiger-counter check of the car – used during anti-terrorist searches – discovered the blanket gave off a reading of 42 protons, enough to alter human DNA, or cause increased cancer risks, scientists believe.
“They told us they bought the blanket some time ago and never thought there was anything unusual about it. It has been stored in a safe facility and is being examined,” said a border service spokesman in Podkarpacie Korczowa, Poland.
Can post the link.
@ anders
Semi rings a bell I think, any scoop?
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Eh?
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To Ian Boyd’s question about Hurst…
Watcher
The website is
http://www.romaniantimes.at/news/Around_the_World/2012-01-27/19440/_Nuclear_Winter
27th of Jan 2012.
One last post from me tonight.
According to the respectable “Paris Match” of Sept 6, our friend Sylvain Mollier wasn’t some numpty on the production line as some have suggested.
He was in fact a METALLURGIST, of 20 years standing, according to the Deputy Mayor of Ugine, who said he was:
Employed for twenty years in the field of metallurgy – the company is a subsidiary of Cezus Areva manufactures zirconium alloys for nuclear power plants
Employé depuis vingt ans dans le secteur de la métallurgie – l’entreprise Cezus est une filiale d’Areva qui fabrique des alliages de zirconium pour les centrales nucléaires
http://www.parismatch.com/Actu-Match/Societe/Actu/Sylvain-Mollier-la-mort-au-tournant-426743/
If you look around our wonderful interweb you can find other publications reiterating this sentiment – at least early on in the story – although I can’t find any corroboration of his 20 years service.
Oddly, references to him being a METALLURGIST seem to have disappeared from later reports. How strange…
Also strange to me is why some here were so keen to downplay his role earlier today, and then express their puzzlement and complete lack of understanding as to how exactly he would be involved.
😀
A simple metal thief, or merely a fence? I don’t think so.
As I said before, just because he didn’t have any published papers doesn’t mean he didn’t do any research… into METALLURGY. Wink wink.
😉
And Roland, many thanks for the “top secret” classifications (secret/top secret/nuclear secret)… helps explain why some research might not be published, when it is “above top secret”.
G’night all. Mind you none of this makes me sleep any safer in my bed…
off-topic digression re 2 policewomen killed in manchester. if the shooter had taken out the policeman who pushed ian tomlinson over CAUSING HIS DEATH, said shooter would now probably be a national hero … it’s a fine line ….
@Ferret
Similar to the way it is impossible to find out what exactly al-Hilli’s field of expertise was. One poster here even described him as being “handy with a screwdriver”!
@GuyF
Note at 17:45 they had already found the younger sister in the car. i.e. young child as one of the three bodies
Good spot!
🙂
The FAIRYTALE is unravels some more…
Or
Did the police go to the campsite and say ‘hey we got 3 adults, related, dead in a beamer, the 7 year old is injured but survived’; someone in the campsite says ‘only one daughter? but there are two!’
Somebody please!?!
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IIRC the FAIRYTAL ™ goes that the french plod on the scene didn’t actually KNOW about Zeena.
HCA says they did not search for her, until some fellow campers got talking to some plod, and a lightbulb went off with one of then, when some happy camper asked what happened to Zeena! 😉
Cue dog, singular, which couldn’t detect her in the car.
Cue infra-red chopper, hovering over the beemer, no heat signature.
Sci-Fi buffs will all know about ‘missing time’ – and CM’s opening essay spelt out his outrage at such a ‘mistake’…
All a FAIRYTALE ™
@Watcher it’s an EDF Nuclear Energy site. 2 Reactors
In 2011, it produced 16.1 billion kWh or 30% of the needs of the region Rhône-Alpes.
The station is open to the public. Its information center hosted 3,500 visitors in 2011
@Kathy
Yeah, and you can do a lot with a screwdriver and a block of raw hafnium!
😉
Oh yeah, never thought of that!!!
@roland
Wasn’t it initially reported that one of the dead women had no external clues as to cause of death; no bullet wounds?
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Yes.
I’ve posted that here several times, no bullet wounds in the wife or granny in back seat (one of them had no bullet wounds but was dead), then it became both faces were shot up (hence the ages long waste of time identifying the Swedish granny), then it became two taps to the head and more and more old bollocks to confuse things.