My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
By 08:00am the next day they’d already fingered the brother as wanted by the UK police
10:00: Cyclist found dead near the car, according to our information, has been identified. It would Sylvain Mollier Cezus employed in the enterprise, specializing in metallurgy and based in Ugine Savoie. The town is a few tens of kilometers of Chevaline.
Why would somebody cycle 20km to a carpark at the top of a steep hill on a road that obviously doesn’t go anywhere according to the signs at the bottom of the hill ?
Splitting this to prevent further moderator delay (currently 30 mins)
On September 8th there was a double murder in the street in Grenoble -dismissed as being completely unrelated to the Al-Hilli murders.
Was that right?
http://www.imageglobe.be/editorial/gallery/3947076
Distinct lack of reports:-
Double murder in France – Image Globe – Editorial
http://www.imageglobe.be/editorial/gallery/39470768 Sep 2012 – Gallery detail: Double murder in France … seventies was slightly injured on September 8, 2012 is seen in a street in Grenoble, central France.
@ferret
… or rather they said they didn’t know how she died
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Which infers no bullets.
When I heard that I spat my Stella out!
We know absolutely nothing, really.
As Roland is hinting, it’s a staged scene.
So maybe they are all alive, and working on the Hafnium bomb on behalf of Herr Saxe-Gotheberg, eh? 😉
FAIRYTALE ™
@anders
Which Roman Polanski movie? I’ll take a look.
@Kathy @Ferret was reading a report earlier from a former colleague at Rutherford that even after leaving there SAH used to go back and visit regularly. He did work on particle accelerators there it seems. So maybe handy with a sonic screwdriver ?
Trois corps se trouvaient dans cette voiture, dont celui d’un jeune enfant, selon une source proche de l’enquête. A proximité, a aussi été découvert un cycliste, mort également, ainsi qu’une jeune fille, vivante, mais grièvement blessée.
BabelFish =
Three bodies were in that car, which as a young child, according to a source close the investigation. Nearby, also discovered a cyclist, died also, and a young wire (English)
Bing =
Three bodies were in that car, which as a young child, according to a source close the investigation. Nearby, also discovered a cyclist, died also, and a young wire (English)
OK, both using same prog, let the French experts translate.
Remember, first reports are nearly always accurate until the sanitisers get going.
@anders
I’m no expert but i get:
Three bodies were located in this car, of which the one of a young child, according to a source close of the investigation. Nearby, also was discovered a cyclist, dead equally, as well as a girl, living, but seriously injured.
Has no one thought that the girl was the barganing chip and the girl wasn’t in the car that day, she had already been kidnapped
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You are the first to mention that afaik! 😉
@Bluebird – nice hafnium link ! ta
@Ferret – nice ‘Metallurgist’ post
@GuyF – Reactor eh, ta ….
@Ricki – The Kidnap angle is sounding more plausible to me
So far I have got…
A lustrous, greyish-white, soft, ductile and malleable metal.
A lustrous, silvery gray, tetravalent transition metal.
A quiet carpark.
A French metallurgist in the Nuclear industry.
A Shia with an estate.
A heap of passports.
An attempted “metal theft” at a nearby Nuclear plant.
And routine border patrols in Romania with Gieger counters.
And four dead “techies” !
Hmmmm !
@Strawb – 2nd link you post ending 39470768 doesn’t exist or has gone 404 v quickly ?
@Guy
“So maybe handy with a sonic screwdriver ?”
Sounds more like it!!!
Oops !
Two dead “techies”
…and a lead to a “ruthless” bunch that don’t mind being ruthless.
There were reports that the girls were seen at the camp site picking apples that morning. I also recall reports saying they’d been playing on bikes loaned by other campers.
I’m not sure if they were on bikes that day, but I’m pretty sure reports said they were picking apples.
@ Dopey
If those reports are true!
Confirmed Ex RAf and knew each other, so why no recognition as Ex-Raf was being passed on the hill ? No reference to his cycling colleague in the interview either ?
1:50 p.m. : two cyclists, one whose body was found near the car and the one who discovered the crime scene, knew each other, both being laid off bike club Ugine Savoie
Why would somebody cycle 20km to a carpark at the top of a steep hill on a road that obviously doesn’t go anywhere according to the signs at the bottom of the hill
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The only reason, if he was legit, was a training exercise to build up his leg muscles and stamina. Used to do the same thing when I lived in SFO, five days a week over the GG Bridge and up the Marin Hills on the far side, loop through a tunnel and back home. It was a knackering ride, but the views made up for it! 🙂
But in Sylvain’s case, no views at all, so I don’t buy it! 😉
@James
Don’t forget the alleged crime scene open to the press photographers and public with 48 hours or was it less?
and then sealed off again, just for good measure.
Then there’s the apparent lack of blood.
the funny goings on with the half roof rack on the car.
and on and on and on….
And a track record !
“The commission for the control of nuclear activities (CNCAN) was informed on October 26 that eight 3.5 metre long cylinders containing 73.5 kilos of uranium ore disappeared from the depot at Stei,” CNCAN said in a press release. The containers were stored in an industrial part of the city. 11.02.2011
Coincidence, Switzerland. The Tinners were set free by a swiss judge today, mainly because they supported CIA in nuclear espionage and because they worked positively with swiss intelligence services.
http://www.npr.org/templates/text/s.php?sId=161337790&m=1
For those of you who speak german there is a far better link with more details in todays NZZ newspaper.
Roland….
Sealed off… IS PERFECT.
Well you would do wouldn’t you.
Posted on David Icke on 14/9/12 (shows as 6.50 am but actually at 2.50 pm) by rva524
Another possibility is that the 7 year old never was in the car. That she was kidnapped from the campsite and was used as bait to lure SAH to the specific spot? Far fetched I guess…
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/index.php/pot/article/view/schmid-illicit-radiological/html
Report. March 2012.
“Illicit Radiological and Nuclear Trafficking, Smuggling and Security Incidents in the Black Sea Region since the Fall of the Iron Curtain – an Open Source Inventory”
@Roman
The Ghost (2010)
The Ghost Writer (original title)
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“As Roland is hinting, it’s a staged scene.”
BMW went up according to builders 30-45mins before sh*t ‘it the fan … maybe that’s when all the action was happening… not just before WBM arrived on the scene unseen by the builders or anyone else
Oh Bluebird.
“Three Swiss engineers accused of participating in a global nuclear smuggling ring”
It gets better.
Watcher,
http://www.imageglobe.be/editorial/gallery/3947076
was the only link but when copying and pasting adjacent 8 became part of the link in error
Written by Rober Harris.
As a writer, I was majorely pissed off that Harris had stolen the Roma a Clef story from a small time book written by the guy who wrote Hill Strret Blues.
He plagiarized it IMHO, and even copied the ending!
Changed the characters to do a job on Blair, and a mole in the UK Govt.
But that would be Blair, to start with!!! 😉
‘The moment I heard how McAra died I should have walked away. I can see that now…’
The narrator of Robert Harris’s gripping new novel is a professional ghostwriter – cynical, mercenary, and with a nice line in deadpan humour. Accustomed to working with fading rock stars and minor celebrities, he jumps at the chance to ghost the memoirs of Britain’s former prime minister, especially as it means flying to the American resort of Martha’s Vineyard in the middle of winter and finishing the book in the seclusion of a luxurious house.
But it doesn’t take him long to realise he has made a terrible mistake. His predecessor on the project died in circumstances that were distinctly suspicious, and the ex-prime minister turns out to be a man with secrets in his past that are returning to haunt him – secrets with the power to kill.
The Times has called Robert Harris ‘the leading current exponent of the intelligent literary thriller’. The Ghost is his most compelling novel yet.
Checking back through the thread I see Vermillion mentioned on 11 Sep, 2012 – 2:33 pm the 17:45 original report with mention of a young child. I have not seen any real explanation since then other than a “mix up”!
@James
I am not sure that that report of 42 protons means. The only form of radiation that contains protons is alpha (and that is actually 2 protons and 2 neutrons just like a helium nucleus) and that does not penetrate skin but is dangerous if it gets into the body. Maybe just a mistranslation from alpha particles or something. Hafnium 178m2 gives out gamma rays, over-energised photons, and you could not measure individual gamma photons!