My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@Straw44berry
No more far fetched than the Raf-man’s version that when he first saw Zainab he failed to spot here skull fracture or gunshot wound and thought her stumbling was a kids play acting game she was having with her sibling????
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and no camp witnesses seeing all the family leave camp site ..or at least if they were seen, no-one wants to talk publicly about it… wonder why? no camp site people want their 15 minutes if infamy? infamy …they’ve all got it…;(
An earlier report on the Swiss engineers
http://dawn.com/2011/12/14/swiss-charge-three-men-in-n-smuggling-case/
Just thinking about it, the 20 military type men from the British Embassy that turned up at the crime scene was a bit more impressive than what happened in Diana’s case.
@kathy
yes, Diana just had paediatritians cutting out Dodi’s fetus in the back of the ambulance… take note Kate
On the 6th report states that 15 spent cartridges were discovered at the conference. By the next day this had increased to 25. Surely even the French can count ?
@Bluebird – re Tinners in Germany – Interesting that they had grandpa with them – re-enforce the family unit on hols for those border guards …
“Tinners had cooperated with U.S. officials since at least June 18, 2003,” How does this align to Al Hicheur being released date wise ?
@now then now
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If the crime was reported at 3.48 pm, my guess is that the 30 seconds of gunfire heard was approx 30 mins before that. Which is why the witnesses arriving at the scene heard nothing.
Also if there was a lot of blood at the scene per Brett Martin it was from 30 mins of bleeding out after death.
Shooter(s) long gone and why Mossad team would be back as prime suspect. If they were going to plan this there is no way they would let hikers/cars/bikes merrily sail past the location of the police roadblock without distracting/hold them up.
The same French article lemessager says the time the family left the campsite is unknown
But Brett Martin’s lone testimony of seeing Sylvain passing him make the shooting happen at 3.40 pm.
If that testimony is false then the shootings could happen @ 3.15pm
Guy, the extra 10 were found once the car had been removed.
Suggests the shots were fired before the car was parked there for so many to finish up under it.
Much longer (4 pages) article on thr swiss engineers.
http://travel.nytimes.com/2008/08/25/world/25nuke.html?pagewanted=1&_moc.semityn.levart&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
That article’s from 2008 btw
@roland
@Straw44berry
No more far fetched than the Raf-man’s version that when he first saw Zainab he failed to spot here skull fracture or gunshot wound and thought her stumbling was a kids play acting game she was having with her sibling????
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This is bollocks because the ‘sibling’ (and who on earth uses the word sibling anyway these days?) was supposed to be hidden under dead granny’s skirts! 😉
OOPS! 🙂
So RAFman ™ Inc. is lying, because when he first saw Zainab, he didn’t know her sister was in the car, if you follow my logic.
And if he DID know (perhaps he was telepathic 😉 , or a remote viewer 😉 , or knew Sylvain from the CC) Zainab had a little sister, why didn’t he try and find her, OR ALERT THE POLICE! That she was missing…
FAIRYTALE ™
@Ricki Tarr – re:
Ricki Tarr
18 Sep, 2012 – 10:14 pm
That is why they moved camp site so that no one would notice the missing child.
The Times (Sat 15 Sept) reported that they moved campsite due to an argument with neighbour over SAH parking his car on their pitch.
Also seen reported that both girls seen out picking apples with mother on day of murders.
I getting the feeling that this may all be about “conventional” nuclear smuggling. Newly enriched Uranium is actually safe to be close to (well in small quantities as it literally heats up in larger masses) maybe al-Hilli had a very heavy bike 🙂 Would also explain the opening and closing of the crime scene. Maybe to detect radioactivity or clean it up.
Any link to the reports of the 20 UK military types at the scene ?
first question I would have fired back at RAFMAN if i was that ‘BBC interviewer’ , ” How did you know or why did you assume she had a ‘sibling?” … oh yes of course, whenever I am in a car park and a little girl is stumbling around in a daze with a 3 litre Beemer with shot out windows revving its bollocks off , I immediately think ” look at that quaint little brown girl playing with her sibling, ahhhh happy daze…”
@GuyFawkes
Intelligence officers from the British Embassy in Paris are said to have been at the scene of the murder hours after it happened.
They were tipped off by contacts in the French Interior Ministry as soon as the identity of the car’s owner was confirmed. According to the French TV station Demain, locals described embassy staff as being ‘military types’ and numbering around 20.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199670/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Was-hitman-Each-British-victims-shot-TWICE-cyclist-witness-FIVE-times.html#ixzz26rgLMySu
Precisely! 😉
This is a major OOPS ™ I think! 🙂
So if he’s lying about this, what else is he lying about? 😉
@Anders – re:
This is bollocks because the ‘sibling’ (and who on earth uses the word sibling anyway these days?) was supposed to be hidden under dead granny’s skirts!
I agree and it sounded bollocks when he said it in BBC interview. I got the impression he was reciting a prepared script to answer known questions and that part was very badly written.
This Philippe Didierjean character, who was not mentioned in early press conferences, was wheeled out for a single brief newspaper interview, and his 2 female friends should be the key. Unless they were invented to give credibility to BM.
@Wally Hope
Was that a BBC interviewer that we actually didn’t get to see?
That was a very strange interview.
Ride side of Raf-man’s face never in shot; interviewee played infront of a mirror to give the impression that you can see his hidden right side of face, but you actually can’t as the reflection shows the same side as is to camera.
Was that a BBC recording or another set up masquerading as such?
*right
If the rear left tyre was flat then there is no need for the car to be revving. The campers never heard the revving which may be easier to hear than gunfire in a quiet area.
The revving story just moves the time of the shooting from the actual time to just before BMs arrival.
So 2 threads of proof of time of shooting both down to BMs wholly unreliable testimony.
@ fiona – they were smuggling ‘tea'(codeword) . it all revolves around the tandam bicycle and this is a decades old conspiracy that dates back to the 70’s…. I am sure fiona you have heard about the famous ‘goodies’ conspiracy? which involved 3 dangerous characters Oddie ( the psycho twitcher ), The Dr. ( the brains) and the SIS Brooke-Taylor ( think RAFman ) … they used a triple tandam full of ‘PG Tips'(a very toxic isotope)… and they employed specially trained chimpanzees who could talk ( yes REALLY!) ..the ‘tea’ was also smuggled in pianos
@Kathy thanks, probably just a few “Cultural Attache’s” happened to be at the Embassy 😉
@Wally
ROFL
@GuyFawkes
Yes, the good old British Embassy that always rushes to the aid of it’s citizens abroad!
The ex RAFman interview. Someone mentioned the interviewer. Noticed he did a really strong leading question on how contrary to some reports the parking area was commonly used by families to which ex-RAFman agreed with long, boring detail. Clearly the interview was pushing from both sides to get that idea across.
@Wally
Oh shit, I have just drunk some PG tips!!