My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@mark
@Anders – re:
This is bollocks because the ‘sibling’ (and who on earth uses the word sibling anyway these days?) was supposed to be hidden under dead granny’s skirts!
I agree and it sounded bollocks when he said it in BBC interview. I got the impression he was reciting a prepared script to answer known questions and that part was very badly written.
Yes I think I posted here that it was all a wooden and stilted performance, and that PINOCCHIOman ™ was a right old ham.
Originally Posted by molliemallone
Thanks Anders, thinking about it… RAF man would have been even closer when the shots were fired as it took 30 seconds to fire all the shots, placing him well under 300m away by the time they’d finished firing!
Me thinks he’s LYING!
We’ll have to rename RAFman to =>>> PINOCCHIOman!
@bilbo
First post eh? Calm and rational post, eh? Designed to mollify the casual reader and give an “out” to the official fairytale and RARman’s lousy over-rehearsed wooden performance. I still don’t know what you’ve said as its all obvious NLP waffle.
BTW where IS bilbo? 😉
BTW it is very clear that this was a carefully scripted sideshow. RAFman knew what he was going to be asked in advance.
Hence the epic fail.
Sheepy; Quote:
Originally Posted by molliemallone
Its the same video as on the BBC.
Interestingly, you don’t ever see his right ear… could it be that he is being fed some answers. Not sure that I’ve seen that setup for a BBC interview, I wonder if it was ‘supplied’ to them.
I thought the exact same thing. Something about that interview room…er..can’t quite put my finger on it…too “clinical”, perhaps?
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Indeed.
Then @badger show his true colours! 😉
@Anders – you decided that you would have problems with the RAF guy’s interview before you even saw it. You have decided that this was a state sponsored hit and you will try to shoe horn the evidence to fit your theory. This is not how a good investigator works. A good investigator forms the theory from the evidence – not the other way around. You are completely ruling out the possibility that these killings were as a result of industrial espionage, inheritance – or even an Iraqi connection that is unrelated to the secret services. No matter what evidence is found, or what conclusions the police arrive at, you will declare that it is all a fit up. Your assertion that the ex-RAF man is a stooge is ridiculous. He has residences in England and France. His CV is on linked-in (it is not deleted, just not visible to non-members). If any of this was false, neighbours of where he lives would know, work colleagues from his past employers would know. The facade would be discovered in no time. You just won’t accept that he may be as he seems – and that makes you an unreliable commentator.
I’ve mentioned this before on these boards. I was at Lockerbie, the morning after the Pam Am jet came down. I scoured the hills for bits of bodies and helped with a few of the hundreds of post-mortems that took place in the curling-rink. When I talk about it, I talk clinically, coldly, matter-of-factly. It’s the only way to deal with it. I can see how people would just reel-off facts in an ‘easy’ manner: “I turned her over and she had no face.”
The horror resides in the very mundanity.
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Do you think the man was coached in what to say? And body language?
Do you think he was given a list of questions that he was going to be asked, in advance?
Do you expect his handlers will have been in on what questions to ask, and more importantly, WHAT NOT TO ASK?
He is at a safe house now. Therefore he has handlers now, and has done since the hit.
ERGO those handlers will have been behind the camera, yes?
Get the picture yet? 🙂
Edit to add to felix, this IMHO is a forced (we forced them, sites like this) damage limitation exercise – not originally part of the script at all, which is why it stinks.
@badger
This site and sites like it forced nothing. No one on any of these sites came close to identifying him.
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Yet more rather desperate bollocks from you. DUE TO THE INFO BELOW, the man was outed and identified by Internet sleuths. See this thread for details – so a pro hit team would find him within 5 mins, a few calls to HQ.
Perhaps the French were pissed off at les Brits’ antics on French soil, eh?
Then cooler heads intervened…
Le Prosecuteur gave the game away from day one!
He said the geezer was ex-RAF
Retired
Lived locally part time in the area
Had a home in the area
Had NUUURFFS OFFF STEEELLL
Was a CYCLIST
And much more besides.
My blind aunt Fanny could have found him!
The above are just a few snips after the charade.
He was coached for a week on what to say, he knew in advance what he was going to be asked, yet he STIL needed an earpiece.
The important things are what the interviewer DID NOT ASK.
This Philippe Didierjean character, who was not mentioned in early press conferences, was wheeled out for a single brief newspaper interview, and his 2 female friends should be the key. Unless they were invented to give credibility to BM.
I don’t trust the obvious plants at all, but @badger and plenty more dogging this place believes the whole FAIRYTALE ™ 🙂
@wally
first question I would have fired back at RAFMAN if i was that ‘BBC interviewer’ , ” How did you know or why did you assume she had a ‘sibling?” … oh yes of course, whenever I am in a car park and a little girl is stumbling around in a daze with a 3 litre Beemer with shot out windows revving its bollocks off , I immediately think ” look at that quaint little brown girl playing with her sibling, ahhhh happy daze…”
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Yup and plenty more besides, which means it was all a pre-scripted damage limitation psyop.
@fiona im just brewing mine now 🙂 if youre a goodie no harm will come to you…
@Wally
ROFL
🙂 🙂 🙂
Don’t forgot the overly amateur dramatic “Oh’ when the interviewer asked ex-RAF man about discrepancies between timings between the witnesses !
*forget
‘Does uk(gb&ni) assassinate individuals’?
Quote an asylum seeker: i understood physical violence and torture before i reached uk(. .&..) but until i applied for asylum there i never experienced/understood the depths of ‘psychological torture’
Hmmm so what do we have a meeting of smugglers gone wrong ..?
Smuggling? Nuclear material (uranium) or a Dull Metal (Hafnium), both covered by Nuclear proliferation treaties with the help of Balknas or AQMehgrab, or Info (Tech designs, schematics).
Killings = double cross by buyers or state sponsored hit in the national interest
Whew, just put my beard on and started bird-watching and talking in an odd wheezy voice. Damn would have to be a short, ugly, depressed goodie.
Saturday Banana anyone?
I think what sums up the whole situation to me was the comment by his cousin in Baghdad to look at his job and then you will know who killed him. Very succinct and probably true.
Good point watcher.
TBH I was going to make a written transcript of the whole charade of the playschool ‘interview’, then take him and his script apart line by line, but I can’t be arsed. Would take me a long time, and for what?
I’m not getting paid, I normally charge 50 quid an hour FFS!
For what? Only to have it swamped here within 30 minutes by you know who. Then if I pasted it in again some sparkies would say, you’e already posted that!
We know he is lying, we know there is a DA notice, we know we are being fed garbage all the time to have us chase our tails constantly, and we know that because this thread is full of fly by night strangers who come here, get beaten up, go, then reappear under a new guise.
4,000 posts means the pros are here in force, and, tbh, they have succeeded. Joe Public has an attention span the length of a goldfish, and most have forgotten about Chavaline by now.
Our wonderful free press has let us down, the BBC and SKY are also in bed with SIS, and all is as it ever was.
FAIRYTALE ™
That’s all you need to know, add it on to 911, 77, Madrid, Bali, Britvik, Aurora, Waco, Murrah, and hundreds more. ;(
@kathy
I think what sums up the whole situation to me was the comment by his cousin in Baghdad to look at his job and then you will know who killed him. Very succinct and probably true.
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Yes, either someone wanted hid knowledge, or they wanted to destroy his knowledge.
Very small list springs to mind.
Who normally goes around killing arab scientists?
@anders
Bingo!
@ anders “Perhaps the French were pissed off at les Brits’ antics on French soil, eh?”
… exactly! if it were MOSSAD it would have been a sophisticated pantomime…NO loose ends..when they perform they flip the bird at CCTV and plane hop on UK passports ! Any of them in custody yet? Now many was there in Dubai , 30? Was this Annercy show supposed to emulate? Revenge for using Royal Approved papers? In retrospect it wasn’t canny of Le Queen to jump out of a helicopter avec Jamie Bond into the Olympic, darkforce-night, her servant who is licenced to kill…
Hmmm so what do we have a meeting of smugglers gone wrong ..?
Smuggling? Nuclear material (uranium) or a Dull Metal (Hafnium), both covered by Nuclear proliferation treaties with the help of Balknas or AQMehgrab, or Info (Tech designs, schematics).
Killings = double cross by buyers or state sponsored hit in the national interest
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This is not about greed and money.
All 3 were comfortable, altho RAFman’s front company owes 600,000!
This is about knowledge IMHO.
Anders
It’s the usual suspect!
@Anders .. ok then my bad, add SAH to the list of potential items to be smuggled
I think the Iraqis know beyond a shadow of a doubt due to their experience.
@Anders
Who normally goes around killing arab scientists?
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Exactly. Craig’s original suggestion that it might be Israel I was initially skeptical about. However the simply fact he was a arab scientist killed mysteriously does tend to make you think of the one country with an active program of mass arab scientist destruction.
It’s all been brushed under the carpet, if we can’t get Kelly or Diana any justice, SAH has a snowball’s chance in hades I’m afraid. Seems the French are OK with that too, as they are doing zero to track down Sylvain’s killers, plural. No roadblocks, no CCTV footage, no TV or newspaper appeals, but a very strange Gendarme almost VIP send-off.
Hmmmm. 😉
The holocaust of Iraq continues unrelenting.
@ fiona
there was no RAFman in Dubai…. see previous
Flaubert (a master of the ‘mot just(e)’ was my miztress and gogol (a pre-surrealist/absurdust) was/is my wyfe — kn other wkrds u f fkr fjng fakes dont f’nng fine time f’nng f 4 fake Fiona ‘ave a f–ng klue about … at this point i put on my beard and bearskin and —
Strange also how Saad confided in his neighbour that he could get a bullet through his head just like David Kelly predicted he could be found dead in the woods. Sounds like they were getting death threats to me.
@Wally
Well in Dubai the hit squad were caught on camera in the hotel and photoed at the airport. And they had stolen passports. Even RAFman would have trouble explaining that one.
@ anders / Ro-Land / all
well, it’s been ’emotional’ or in RAFman’s case non-emotional .. looks like we solved this beyond reasonable doubt so until the next atrocity….as Dave Allen used to say ‘Thank you, goodnight and may your God go with you…’ 🙂
Ah, come on Wally, Fiona’s really warming to you, you little tinker
tailer…
soldier