My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Note: my al-safar links are still waiting moderation.
Ferrrt, you eliminate somebody if he is a threat AND if he is of no further use AND if the information he might have would be a threat to the security of the organisation (whether it is a government or else a mafia)
@Bluebird
and to do all that eliminating it has to pass the Caroline Test to be legal in international law, right?
Of course you do Blubird, assassination is far better than an expensive show trial. Imagine what a joke it would have been putting BL on trial.
I wonder whether or not mrs al-safar could have worked in the medical department giving certain people new faces and new identities in fact IF she is the mother-in-law
Suhyla Ahmad Al-Safar. Dentistry, Orthdontics,Surgery (Oral & Maxillofacial), Periodontology.
@Katie
Oh dear. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear!
Morning Roland.
@Katie
Imagine what a joke it would have been putting BL on trial.
Yes, it would have been hilarious, wouldn’t it, just like your posts here.
I t hink we’ll have to put you in Pinnocchio club, along with RAFman!
Honestly, can’t get the staff, you know.
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Give it a rest Ferret.
Why has no journalist tracked down the social worker who went to France with the relatives to bring back the daughters ?
Bluebird, 77 years old & a dentist, she must have been a very modern Iraqi girl to have trained then.
@Katie
Sure… got any more good ones for us this morning?
Two days ago we had Fiona telling us that Hafnium Isotopes releasing energy in a different way to other forms of Hafnium would break the laws of physics.
Then we had Peter waxing lyrical about how Mollier was just a drone on a conveyor belt, was simple metal worker, knew nothing.
Then we had you, stating that it must’ve been a government operation against red-handed smugglers or bombers… who were eliminated just like Bin Laden.
And this morning, we’ve had you, claiming you’d not even said that!
HA HA HA HA HA and HA again.
Got any more good ones?
Katie, what exactly did you want to say? I dont get the background of your post’s meaning.
Hopefully those links are soon moderated and available.
I am not sure if she is granny, but it is likely because her dental clinics no longer exists and since 1999 she works as an artist and since one year she wrote blogs about arab politics and society in an arab news magazine.
That could be her. Press said that they are no iraqis. Only the al-hilli family came from iraq. And he met her daughter in dubai. Well, dubai and bahrain are pretty much closeby. I was particularly focussed by the word maxillofacial surgery.
Yes just like the PC joker who tried to get us all to say hearing impaired or deficient instead of deaf, LoL !!!
What the fuck are you talking about girl?
Since the links are still awaiting moderation, check suhyla.com
Bluebird.
“Also she is a dentist. Coincidence that SAH’ s wife ( her daughter) was a dentist, too? ”
I was pointing to the reports who said the mother was 77…so if she were also a dentist she would not have been your average woman in Iraq 57 years ago by training as a dentist.
I’ve tried a few times and failed to find anything about Saad’s father. All we know is he fled Iran in the 70’s, retired to Spain at some point much later and used to own a factory.
What was the factory, and what did it do? If he had the factory in Iran then what did he do employment wise since the 70’s after he came over to the UK? If he had the factory here what was it? He had two sons- its a tad surprising that neither of them joined or took over this family business.
Was the Swiss bank account originally the father’s, or set up by Saad?
OUTED……… Roland is also Ferret.
Dopey.
Kahim [ I think it was ] the name of the father, he had an engineering factory in Iraq. I don’t know how long he lived in the UK before moving to Spain. Where he died after going missing for 6 days.
@Katie
Your ad-hominem for being sensitive to someone’s disability is only making it worse for yourself (and, I suggest, is insulting to anyone whose hearing is impaired.)
Seriously though, I think you’re OK. It’s just your job that stinks. And you’re not that good at it!
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She was no iraqi. However, it was said that the al-safar family came from iran. Under the regime of the shah there was no burqa in tehran and girls and women were usually dressedlike in london or paris. I had been in tehran at this time and it was sociologically not different than istanbul is today. Girls went tu university in shorts and knee length mini skirts. It is much likely that many high educated people left iran after the revolution and went e.g.to dubai or to VAE for establishing a new existence.
@Katie
OUTED……… Roland is also Ferret.
ROTFL!!!
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Thanks for another good one!!!!
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Yes Bluebird, been there done that, she’s a talented woman.
The sad thing is she’s getting paid by us to post this shite!
@ katie
Kahim [ I think it was ] the name of the father, he had an engineering factory in Iraq. I don’t know how long he lived in the UK before moving to Spain. Where he died after going missing for 6 days.
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Hi Katie
If he had it in Iraq then what did he do in the UK? He can only have been in his late 30’s/early 40’s when he came to the UK.
On 192.com he’s listed at the Clayton address in 2003 (as is Saad’s mother) so was on the electoral roll in the UK then at least.
@Katie:
Forget the “going missing for 6 days” regarding the father of SAH. That is BS. The contrary is true.
He was not missed for 6 days. He was very ill and alone at home when he died in spain. Nobody did care for him for 6 days and apparently the gardener found his dead body at home when he came once a week.
There is nothing left for conspiracy regarding his father’s natural death.
However, let us focus on mother in law.
I can tell you roland rat/ferret. Neither of you are any good at sleuthing………you are so utterly wrong about my ‘job’..very funny .
As for the PC rubbish, what in gods name are you doing here on the most un PC site, deaf is deaf so stop being so bloody pretentious..
Unbelievable… and no shame!
OK MIL was already in the UK before France, she with the other daughter in Reading,AH went to collect her before leaving , why should it be unusual for her to holiday with her family ?
Except the caravan was not that big.