My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Dopey.RE: putting house on the market.
Too right , me too & ringing an electrician to get security lights around the house in the meantime.
The questions remains ‘who’ did he think was after him,it sounds like someone in/from Iraq ?
Lets get real here.
In Dubai, he wasn’t just a “Hamas Man” was he ???
As a rule, the Kidon kill team is comprised of four highly seasoned men:
That is so very wrong that I shan’t even bother refuting it. Gentlemen, I shall leave you to your Walter Mitty fantasies
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/8514919/Mossad-carries-out-daring-London-raid-on-Syrian-official.html
Undercover agents tracked a Syrian official carrying nuclear secrets to London where they broke into his hotel room and stole the plans as part of a daring operation on foreign soil by Mossad, the Israeli secret service, it has been claimed.
The original plan was apparently to assassinate the official and Israel only averted what would have been a huge diplomatic rift with Britain, when they decided the target was more valuable alive than dead.
The operation involved at least 10 undercover agents on the streets of Britain and led directly to a controversial bombing raid into Syrian territory that destroyed a nuclear reactor that was under construction.
It closely mirrored the assassination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh, a senior Hamas arms trader, who was killed in his hotel room in Dubai last year using agents disguised as tennis players.
The operation began when Israeli intelligence picked up an online booking for a senior Syrian nuclear official at a hotel in Kensington, west London, in late 2006, according to the Israeli authors of the book Israel vs Iran: the Shadow War.
Mossad then dispatched three undercover teams to Britain including a team of “spotters” who were sent to Heathrow airport to identify the official as he flew in from Damascus under a false name. A second team booked into his hotel, while a third monitored his movements and any visitors.
The agents included members of the Kidon [Spear] division, Mossad’s hit squad, and the Neviot [Springs] division, which specialises in breaking into houses, embassies and hotel rooms to install bugging devices.
The first day of the official’s trip was apparently devoted to a series of meetings at the Syrian embassy in Belgrave Square but the following day he went shopping before his return to the airport.
The Kidon team followed him closely from shop to shop while the Neviot agents broke into his room and found his laptop. A computer expert took 15 minutes to download the hard drive and install trojan software that allowed Israel to monitor every keystroke he made.
When the computer material was examined at Mossad headquarters in Tel Aviv, officials found photographs and blueprints for a plutonium reactor at Al Kibar near Deir el-Zor, a remote desert town 80 miles from Syria’s border with Iraq.
According to one source quoted in the book, the discovery saved the life of the official, who would otherwise have been killed in Britain, causing a major diplomatic incident.
“His computer and its contents turned out to be his life insurance. If it weren’t for that, he wouldn’t have left Europe alive,” the security official boasted.
This lot – ‘Krav Maga’ – dissolved the company in 2009:
http://www.360defence.co.uk/shownews.asp?newsid=24
http://www.cdrex.com/krav-maga-scotland-limited-5305009.html
Did they simply change the company’s name and/or move? Allegedly ex-Israeli Special Forces people living/working within spitting distance of the nuclear arsenal, using a self-defence company as possible cover? Who knows? I always thought that was interesting.
Right, James. He was THE Hamas man.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Mahmoud_Al-Mabhouh
And then they are alleged to have killed his deputy as well:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/28/hamas-mossad-killed-senior-figure
But the Al-Hilli murders were relatively sloppy, not at all like MOSSAD itself, though they were my initial thought.
To be honest…
My worry is “I hope there isn’t a lone nutter running around in France”. That’s probably it.
If some guys were “stealing”…and got whacked well if Mossad, The CIA or SAS, Idon’t think I’d care.
Why not…because who does ?
Anders “the main poster” is crazy…and do I want a world run by him…or bt some loon that’s doing it now ?
I’ll stick with “this loon”…as Anders is crackers.
Guy’s, just prove ir was a “spy” or a “Balkan hit” or the Mossad…then I’ll sleep safe,
The lone nut…or Anders. Them, I fear !
At Suhayl…
Ranaja was Ha’mas. What did he expect ?
A rub down and a shiatsu ?
I don’r care about “politics”. Trying to make evertone at a table agree on what wine to order is harder enough !
Anyones religion is their own.
I just dont want looneys. I dont want an all out war either…but look at it on here !!!
It hets crazy. Imagine there were 350 million of us…all “debating” !!!!
And Flanders saying “it was Mossad”
FUCK OFF Anders with your trying to be “Wide Boy” shite !
A Kindon is made up of…. This fuckwit has never been anywhere.
As mentioned in (older posts) I fly, and flew (they trained me, I guess I owed them) for “Buck House et al”.
But these “A Kindon” shite arre just soooo full of it.
Never done nothing, never came to nothing…and just piss everyone off (I did mine in good Ole Bos-Herz)
Mucker, you make me “rant”.
You swear. You’re racist, you have a fecking clue about the military….
Infact you are why people think “conspiracy” people are mad !
A Kindon is normally !!!!
Is what ??You most likely have never even fired a gun !
Arse
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Tiny Tempah. 🙂
You been nicking the miniatures again? 🙂
Ever heard of Qom? 😉
Isn’t the point being made that the hit may have been by MEK/MKO on behalf of Israel rather than Mossad itself. This may explain the sloppyness.
Did they simply change the company’s name and/or move? Allegedly ex-Israeli Special Forces people living/working within spitting distance of the nuclear arsenal, using a self-defence company as possible cover? Who knows? I always thought that was interesting.
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Check out “art students” on the USA. Selling paintings door to door and such. Setting up easels here and there! 😉
Su..
If your interested in “politics”, check out “United Fruits” way back when.
That’ll give you “how media can convince” and “who wins”.
That goes on. Sure it does now.
But as I say. I want the hunt for the “mad man”. If there was a hit here…and it was “the brother” or “Mossad” then that’s ok.
A random mad man, to me is worse.
Sell secrets…and get whacked.
Drive a car to a country park for a picnic….and get hit ! Then that worries me.
Of course for that to be credible needs some evidence that the MEK/MKO do operate in europe.
“Ever heard of Qom?”
Anders, yes. Is it that odd a Shia goes to Qom ?
Do you know what is there ???? How relevant that is ?
Oh, it’s 100 miles from Tehran !
Most be obvious then !!!!
If he went there to the Shrine, what business is that of mine ???
If he went there to sell secrets…and got whacked. What business is that of mine ?
Tell me there isn’t a lone nut in the D’Ire valley…and I would be happy !
AND…
BACK TO BASICS ™ 🙂
Can anyone take apart my considered THESIS ™ ?
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Please answer the below point by point.
Agreed – apparently SAH had been going to the same camp site for years, so makes sense to have a safe house for the handler nearby to Sylvain, IF he was providing stuff for the Brits. Probably used the same RV in years gone by, all three. Excellent cover for BM. The local cycling club too, where he could debrief Sylvain on rides in the countryside.
It all FITZ ™
And if SAH was turned at his pilgimage to Qom, very near Tehran, just 97 miles away, he could do a century there!
Qom (Persian: Qom [ɢom], also known as Q’um or Ghom)[1] is a city in Iran. It lies 156 kilometres (97 mi) by road southwest of Tehran and is the capital of Qom Province. At the 2006 census, its population was 957,496, in 241,827 families.[2] It is situated on the banks of the Qom River.
Then the rumours I posted at the start could be sound, an Israeli Kidon team does the biz, or MKO are hired by BiBi to do the biz.
Same thing, and MKO could account for the sloppiness with Zainab.
@Dopey if RAF man screwed up he’d be on his own!
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Only if behind enemy lines. If captured a swap may go down, If still alive. Quid pro quo / in this case it sounds like an enormous cock-up.
A hit went down without a priori SIS knowledge.
Culprits are identified but let off scot free = Israel or team paid by Israel. Same thing.
Same thing happened after 911. All flights grounded in the USA but the bin Ladens were allowed back to Saudi, and the Dancing Israelis filming the towers come down via controlled demolition were allowed back to Tel Aviv, where they appeared on tee vee.
In this case damage limitation was a priority and a FAIRYTALE ™ was spun to protect Israel in the lead up to an Iran attack / cannot have such a dire diplomatic incident for the warmongers.
Besides they were only (**** to keep delicate ears happy), innit.
Sylvain is collateral.
Sweep.Under.Carpet
Simple.
AND…
Whilst you may shout the “secret service” down…
Be lucky you can do that.
There are many countries that cannot.
And the mere life you have maybe down to “bad men” doing “very bad things” to other “bad men”.
This is freedom my friend, like it or not. But I would not trade it to be sat in 1943 in Belsen….and be the one next through the door.
I think that some of you guys are too much into the question about “who did it?”
That is wrong and it is the root of useless abuse and misunderstandings. We will never be able to find out who did it. Who cares?
I believe that the most important question would be: “Why did they do this?”
I am proud of you here about the many links and evidence collected during the past week. I appreciated all the background info here and i tried to contribute, too. I dont care about other people telling that this is conspiracy. Who cares?
It is exciting to find the truth and possible reasons apart from the official truth presented to us by the world’s ministry of truth. I dont accept that “truth” if it isnt logic and rationally acceptable. Therefore i am proud of you guys that you are researching and combining logic and sanity. I enjoyed that board and i thank jon/craig for letting us contributing and reading that. Open boards like this one make the internet exciting and they are an instrument of democracy.
Thank you and peace, and i hope that you will forgive me my previous typo errors and my non native english.
“Can anyone take apart my considered THESIS
A bit “bipolar” the wording of that request !
Would I want a world filled with the Anders or the other.
I’ll take the other please.
ANDERS….
[Mod/Jon: snipped o/t discussion]
WAIT ONE MINUTE !
I say “murder” took place here, But before your sort climb on the band wagon….was this man a saint ?
Are you saying this man was a saint ???
@suhayl
But the Al-Hilli murders were relatively sloppy, not at all like MOSSAD itself, though they were my initial thought.
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Mossad itself like to big up the myth.
They have made many many foul ups in their history.
With any op, things always go wrong, minor to major.
Mossad have the edge with all their SAYANIM worldwide. Like an unpaid gigantic fifth column, most in very juicy places, if you get my drift. So their intel network is one of the best. And they are relatively small and compact, and can improvise.
But so can SAS.
In fact SAS have had recent problems recruiting and keeping recruits after their first tour. Halliburton and Co. for example pays serious serious money for special forces expertise.
Well said Bluebird, seconded.
@ fiona
19 Sep, 2012 – 8:50 pm
I know. Since he seemed fond of discussing the ins and outs of the cats backside with the neighbours you’d think he’d have shared with them who “they” were too.
In fact, had I been the neighbour, just before ringing the estate agent, I’d have asked him!
Maybe the neighbour used to help him put it on. A friend married a bouncer, and he wore one for work. Helping him into the thing was like dressing a Geisha!
@Bluebird.
Nice post! Yes thanks to CM and mods!!!
Maybe the neighbour used to help him put it on. A friend married a bouncer, and he wore one for work. Helping him into the thing was like dressing a Geisha!
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I have the same problem with condoms.
@ bluebird
Seconded. Lovely post.
That’s the second belly laugh you’ve given me tonight Anders . 🙂
Dopey..
Meet next door ! First pic down
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=275522
🙂
@ katie
Its not the only thing he’d like to give you, give the chance. Don’t encourage him.
That was my 2nd favourite post. Favourite being “he dropped his kebab”
😉