My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Article about Saad’s father’s death in Spain. He was in a care home when he died?
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/09/20/costa-link-to-french-alps-murders/
@Daddy – Love it!
Bilbo look at the window glass, it is crazed & opaque,so after the first shot the guy would not be able to see his target clearly, yet we have precision with bullets in all heads. That could not have been done through the glass .
Or…are you saying he went up, looked through & shot the women through that first bullet hole ?
Looking at the photo it is quite a size.
Great find Dopey!
Righto, Dopey, aka Trow Ford, T H Ford, and so-called thrower to assorted stuff.
Spend most of my time investigating conspiracies like this, and it is just amazing what one can find, even in our crappy media.
The stuff about what SSTL is about is all over the news, but no one else connected it to al-Hilli since it did not seem obvious, though the ability of this radar satellite to see through clouds, and judge the thickness of not only ice but also water and land is obviously relevant to the current leaking or spying.
When I consulted the Iranians, they seemed rather uninterested in what I was claiming, though they had been most interested when I told them about ‘Jihad Jane’s aka Colleen LaRose’s attempts to recruit me as a Muslim assassin, especially of loony cartoonist Lars Vilks, and Washington’s attempt to blame them for wanting to assassinate that Saudi ambassador in the nation’s capital.
Took the lack of interest in what I was telling them as a sign that they knew all about it, and just didn’t want to admit that their efforts with al-Hilli had proven prematurely fatal.
May write an article about it, but I am still snowed under by other shit.
Jon:
Whilst Anders’ posts can sometimes be off-point and/or insulting, Peter’s latest hypothesis is an insult to anyone reading this thread, almost suspiciously so.
Once upon a time an innocent family were having a lovely picnic, when all of sudden came a crazed, lone individual to kill them all for no reason etc. Laughable and insulting.
I’m still flabbergasted by the response by the press. Imagine if these were a white family from the home counties. Milly Dowler, Maddy McGann, etc, etc. The lack of some fairly obvious and logical hypotheses even being discussed openly, along with the lack of discussion of their careers is telling.
@anders mind kontrolle – are you referring to his testimony when he talks about effectively having to psych himself up (apparently against his better judgement) as he is about to start the island shooting ?
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I’m really talking about a few chapters in the book what I wrote (Ernie Wise) – I go into the complete history of MIND KONTROLLE, from Sumer to the Egyptian Mystery Schools, and on up to the Germans, Operation Paperclip post WW2 where the top Germans in MK were hired by OSS to ply their trade on behalf of Uncle Sam, the MK-Ultra project with Herr Dr Joseph Menhele (Dr GREEN, GREENBAUM) / I covered the lot, Dr Ewan Cameron in Canada, Tavistock, SRI etc etc.
Britvic is too long a subject to go into here but I am sure he is an MK victim, and BTW the one in court looks nothing like the real phone in photos, ditto the Joker in Aurora.
Part of their brief – “The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations was set up in London in 1921 to study the “breaking point” of humans. Kurt Lewin, a German psychologist, became the director of the Tavistock Institute in 1932, about the same time Nazi Germany was increasing its research into neuropsychology, parapsychology and multigenerational occultism. Interestingly, a progressive exchange of scientific ideas was taking place between England and Germany, most notably in the field of eugenics: the movement devoted to “improving” the human species through the control of hereditary factors in mating.”
It’s all linked to this current PSYCHODRAMA ™
Apologies for iPhone spellinks
I wonder why nobody picked up the matter of fact that zaid was programming FPGA chips in a rather sophisticated way only a year ago?
Zaid who was said being a manager for golf equipment. PGA has nothing to do with FPGA 🙂
Crumbs @anders7777, your posts are getting worse. You are often not taking this topic seriously – does everything have to be “ROFL” and have a ™ symbol at the end? Peter is offering literate, paragraphed, considered views, and your somewhat childish responses don’t even explain why you disagree.
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Jon, I’ll take this Pter seriously when Peter makes a serious post. Go back and read how many times I have pulled him up over complete rubbish. He introduced himself as some sort of ballistics expert, then went on to argue that Missad do not use BERETTAS in 7.65 .32, then he said because a Desert Eagle .50 elephant cannon *wasn’t* used, it was therefore NOT Mossad, loads more rubbish? And last night flouncing off saying Kidon teams did NOT work in fours FFS. He’s taking the piss and naive folks are falling for it. No smiley.
@Anders
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V for Vendetta!
And I STILL didn’t get an apology from Peter.
I’m not being fooled, that’s for sure. Mossad using .50 calibers on a hit like this, what a laugh.
Anders, I think Peter is being serious.
@trowbridge
ooh 🙂
Yes, I find it very telling that the press have played down SSTL so much.
Shreen Ayob is a bit jumpy on her twitter feed when a few people put her on the spot. Says no comments because it’s a blog. But there are commments on this blog post of hers at Huff Post
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/shreen-ayob/open-source-filmmaking-derby-soap-opera_b_1551249.html
Who sent her into bat? A classic attempt to stifle discussion. Studied at Kingston University. Her blog and flickr stream has vanished. Elsewhere she says she is Kurdish Iraqi not from Iran.
literate, paragraphed, considered views, and your somewhat childish responses don’t even explain why you disagree.
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And that is what is so funny!
I explained this technique before on this thread. Use the search function.
It is a form if written NLP hypnosis, a dry academic tone hoping to lend credence to burr bullshit.
And you know what? It works!!!
Wise up Jon.
Ridicule is MY NLP technique in response.
I been at this debating Karl for 20 years on the net, and have seen it ALL.
Wise up and don’t be fooled, because some people are having a right old laugh at this thread’s expense! Take that to the bank! 😉
If Brett Martin is an agent, then why is he renting out his house? I don’t think HM Govt or any other Govt. would have budget to buy house for this and even if they did, would they let him rent it out to someone else so that it wouldn’t be available at short notice. There is also the photo with the licence plate registration clearly visible, not to mention that he used a [email protected] email address. Doesn’t stack up.
It seems a straightforward case of Sylvain Mollier taking Ziconium nuclear know-how from his workplace (by being close to guys like Daniel Charquet at the R&D centre at Ugine), then gives it to Al-Hilli who brings it to the Iranians on a pilgrimage. They’ve being doing if for years and govt. sources become aware of it and decide to take them out at the exchange. It gets complicated by the fact that at the last minute Al-Hilli decides to take the family with him, which the hit squad didn’t expect so the squad, thinking on their feet, decide to kill all adults. The 7 year old makes a run for it and they decide to disable her, giving them more time to get out of the area before the alarm is raised.
As an aside….if you are M.(or Mme) le Président at the Ugine R&D centre and there is a question mark over one of your employees selling secrets, do you
(a) take his PC/laptop and do your own investigations or
(b) leave all as is and hand over everything to the Gendarmes without knowing what they might find?
I’d say M.(or Mme) le Président could say: let’s have a look at what he was up to, and then we’ll hand it over i.e. it’s possible that evidence from the R&D centre will have been damaged in some way.
Peter, just to repeat, in case you missed it, could you explain the link b/w being ‘no ordinary tourists’ and then coincidentally being shot by a lone lunatic gun man ? Seems to oppose.
I’d say M.(or Mme) le Président could say: let’s have a look at what he was up to, and then we’ll hand it over i.e. it’s possible that evidence from the R&D centre will have been damaged in some way.
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Sheer rubbish.
These people are not IDIOTS.
They would be using the type of encryption even NSA and gchq would have trouble breaking with all their banks of supercomputers!
Lol! 🙂
@peter
French embassy: “It is very, very grand, but also quite short-staffed”
So they say at Barcode or Patisserie Valerie.
So, why send the deputy ambassador across half the length of france to be at a small girl’s bedside (allegedly)? Is she a doctor?
Anders, I don’t know how I can further impress upon you that you are a guest here, but you act like you own the place. Peter’s posts appear to be perfectly serious, but if you disagree with them, that’s fine. You need to say so calmly and rationally.
I am not here to moderate out views that are wrong, since that is the purpose of the discussion, and I have chosen not to be involved in it. However if you basely accuse other people of “taking the piss” and offering “bullshit”, expect to be deleted. You have had more than enough warnings now.
@Bilbo – discussion, yes. Thank you!
Perhaps the assassin(s) has/have been assassinated. Maybe a fisherman will find a thigh bone in the Mediterranean Sea.
@ Roger
Getting warm I think but not quite there.
1. Govt has the reputation for contracting these jobs out. That way its deniable.
2. Whoever arranged the rendevous would know that the wife/grandmother would possibly be there.
3. Its therefore possible that the grandmother was a courier and also a target. Otherwise why not take them out individually and not make an international statement by mass shooting.
@Blue_Bear – it is fine for you to disagree with him. I’ve not looked at the case in any detail, so I cannot comment as to whether his views are obviously wrong. But he approaches the thread with detail and respect as far as I can see, and treats the topic with appropriate seriousness.
If any individual is here to lead folks on a wild goose-chase, then civil and detailed responses from others may reveal inconsistencies. Nevertheless, it is possible – as Craig says – that the truth may never be discovered. There are few certainties here.
@Suhayl
Them boys on the Grassy Knoll, they were dead within three hours, buried in the desert. Unmarked graves out past Terlingua. Still got the shovel…
@Blue_Bear 20 Sep, 2012 – 3:35 pm
However.. the msm’s meddling in the Milly Dowler case and the Maddy McCann mystery didn’t actually produce a result did it?
Apart from bringing down The News of the Screws, and landing a custard pie in Rupe’s gob.
However .. No 2 the msm’s deafening silence is telling, which is why I say DA notice and super injunction.
I would therefore suspect the RAF Martin was the Uk eyes on the job.
@Sinbad
> 1. Govt has the reputation for contracting these jobs out.
> That way its deniable.
Agreed. I hadn’t intended to suggest otherwise.
> 3. Its therefore possible that the grandmother was a courier
> and also a target. Otherwise why not take them out
> individually and not make an international statement by mass shooting.
That question always remains in almost any scenario. My hunch is that they wanted to get access to the consideration forming both sides of the exchange and the easiest way to ensure the presence of the consideration is to intercept during the exchange.
@Sinbad
Whoever was the target, or were the targets, could have been taken out individually. SAH went out a lot on his own according to other campers, Mollier went cycling on his own a lot.
With good planning and preparation there’s no need for a bloodbath.
“Sheer rubbish” – @Anders
@Jon – he doesn’t seem to be listening to you.