My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@Roger
20 Sep, 2012 – 4:20 pm
HM Govt or any other Govt would have the money?
Well I beg to differ as when I had a little run with just the police, they told me there was a lot of cash at their disposal and that if I became an informant, some of that money could come my way; and I think I remember this correctly as the phrase sticks in my mind “enough cash for you to buy a nice house”
@Roland Teflon
Yes. But why buy when you can rent? It’s not in a capital city so it may not have a long term value. And why were they being allowed rent it out to holiday makers, making it unavailable to themselves? And what about the personal details being displayed on their letting website (car reg., email addresses, name). It doesn’t stack up for me.
It may well be that BM’s house was for rent.
Or perhaps it’s not ready for rent until the DIY is finished.
Or it may be that it just appeared to be available for rent – as in anyone could make contact but be told ‘We’re sorry, it’s booked for that fortnight.’
@roger –
car reg etc – is this from the site “down for maintenance”? When did you access it?
@Felix You can get it through Google Cache
That’s right CD.
I suspect it wasn’t for rent in the usual way but up for ‘holiday lets’ ?
Quite normal for Brit owners here with holiday homes, it helps pay the expenses.
All of which indicate that BM was the British ‘eyes’ on this operation.
@Sinbad 20 Sep, 2012 – 5:13 pm
And if the al Hilli’s were a British asset, no wonder he ‘panicked and got scared (of being identified)’.
Still nothing new in the msm? Well I guess that’s it for another week then.
“All of which indicate that BM was the British ‘eyes’ on this operation.”
That’s right. There’s a unit of them known as the “Silver Service”. They’re all 50 somethings on pushbikes.
Anders, I don’t know how I can further impress upon you that you are a guest here, but you act like you own the place. Peter’s posts appear to be perfectly serious, but if you disagree with them, that’s fine. You need to say so calmly and rationally.
I am not here to moderate out views that are wrong, since that is the purpose of the discussion, and I have chosen not to be involved in it. However if you basely accuse other people of “taking the piss” and offering “bullshit”, expect to be deleted. You have had more than enough warnings now.
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OK, you know best.
Jon, fair enough. I take your point. And I know for a fact that friends who have been recommended this site by me have been put off by Anders. I almost used CAPS LOCKS at him last week when he was at his most agitated.
I’m not sure what the internet version of being polite and well spoken is but Peter is certainly that. I found his opinion suspiciously naive but I wasn’t rubbishing him, just his post.
@felix Yes I looked at the Google cache. While the Joomla site is down for “maintenance” the server is still up and running and you can click through to the larger live images on the server, showing bicycles, car reg. …and date stamps of files used. Some of the folks here might be able to get info from the car reg.
I just don’t see a spook being bought a house and then being allowed make it unavailable, being allowed set up a website for it, being allowed disclose their name. BTW the web designer must not have known the significance because they added it to their portfolio on 14th September:
http://www.mayswebdesign.co.uk/portfolio.html
(or maybe they wanted to take advantage of the publicity!).
“Sheer rubbish” – @Anders
@Jon – he doesn’t seem to be listening to you.
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Oh dear we have another watcher or James clone crying NURSE!
I repeat, it is RUBBISH to think a company can CRACK. The sort of encryption these BOYZ will have been using. Rubbish.
It IS possible that NSA and or gchq COUKD crack their encryption, but I have my doubts. And if the two agencies CAN do it, they certainly will not admit to it.
All a bit like the London riots a ways back, gangs using Blackberry I think 64 bit encryption, off the top of my head (I use an iPhone and encrypt bugger all), but the MET were demanding access keys, and Blacberry quite rightly said a big FU.
MY bet is NSA and do have the keys, but they’ll never admit to it.
So I stand by my RUBBISH statement.
Carry on.
@ roger
you wannna big mac meal?
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call me Shirley 🙂
@ Mochyn69
20 Sep, 2012 – 4:43 pm
Well they both had family members pushing the story which kept it in the press. I don’t think that we’ve heard from any of the family in this case other than the brother. No emotional press-conferences, no reminiscipackages showing the kids at school or the couple on honeymoon. No heart-string pulling charities or books or celebrity endorsements.
I’d like to think that there are hundreds of journalists desperate to find out the truth but who knows. Is a super-injunction applicable world-wide? Every time I think about this case I realise how odd it is. The crime scene should surely be left clear indefinitely until every square inch has been surveyed.
Is this thread being used to do the donkey work for the investigators? It’s a great ploy if it is.
@Anaders but then straight after the riots we had the 4 days when Blackberrys world wide went down, I bet they all have access now!
@Anders
You are assuming that Sylvain Mollier is fully trained in encryption etc. which may not be the case. He may be someone providing the info from the inside but may not have graduated via an academy. There could be any amount of evidence at his work place, hard drive, browser history, deleted files, info on travel etc., info from colleagues. My point is that an internal corporate investigation could impact on the external investigation.
It is is arrogant to rubbish others’ suggestions when your own are also based on assumptions. Your high-horse, know-it-all approach is overbearing and it would be great if you could tone it down, but that’s probably asking the impossible.
@Anders
You are assuming that Sylvain Mollier is fully trained in encryption etc. which may not be the case. He may be someone providing the info from the inside but may not have graduated via an academy. There could be any amount of evidence at his work place, hard drive, browser history, deleted files, info on travel etc., info from colleagues. My point is that an internal corporate investigation could impact on the external investigation.
It is is arrogant to rubbish others’ suggestions when your own are also based on assumptions. Your high-horse, know-it-all approach is overbearing and it would be great if you could tone it down, but that’s probably asking the impossible.
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I stand by what I said.
Feel free to cry NURSE! If you wish!
@Ricky Tarr
RIM promised to cooperate fully with police. Under the terms of RIPA a network operator does not have to disclose any police request for information and does not have to declare that any information has been passed to the police.
http://www.computerworlduk.com/news/security/3295979/rioters-coordinating-by-blackberry-convicted-by-blackberry/?intcmp=in_article;related
If any individual is here to lead folks on a wild goose-chase, then civil and detailed responses from others may reveal inconsistencies. Nevertheless, it is possible – as Craig says – that the truth may never be discovered. There are few certainties here.
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Not gonna happen on a 5000 post thread.
Anyways, I am extremely civil. I only lapsed once yesterday, when I called Jimmeh the C word. But then again I was baited about 200 times, so not bad going.
So Jimmeh, I apologise sincerely for my comment, you’re not really a Cerberus at all. Mea culpa.
I wish Peter would come back from his break to discuss my question.
Jon, fair enough. I take your point. And I know for a fact that friends who have been recommended this site by me have been put off by Anders. I almost used CAPS LOCKS at him last week when he was at his most agitated.
I’m not sure what the internet version of being polite and well spoken is but Peter is certainly that. I found his opinion suspiciously naive but I wasn’t rubbishing him, just his post.
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What do you make of his assertion that Mossad Kidon use .50 caliber Desert Eagles on wet work?
What do you make of his assertion that Kidon teams do not as a rule move in self-contained CELLS of four?
Those two will do for a start.
@roger the dodger
. It doesn’t stack up for me.
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Plus ca change, et cetera.
Oh Anders !
When will you ever learn.
And P.S.
Peter has left this desk in a right state. Crumbs everywhere!
You’re not suppose to bring food in here. Everyday the same.
It wasn’t like this in the Madrid office I can tell you.
Aircon, canteen…even a pool downstrairs.
Those were the days.
AND why no “reconstruction” of the events. Jog the minds of the “tourists” in the area.
This event would make the directors on “CrimeWatch” drooling.
But nada !
But what of the bone? Do you believe in the bone?
AND why no “reconstruction” of the events. Jog the minds of the “tourists” in the area.
This event would make the directors on “CrimeWatch” drooling.
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Coz powers that be want the case to fade away into obscurity. That’s my bet. Two days and not a peep of news….hmm
What bone ? Have we found a bone ? No one told me about the bone ?
Thought we hid the bone ? Damn !
Seriously, what bone ? The “dog n bone” ?
Roger, yes. The Wikileaks insurance file was protected by AES-256, for which “known attacks are computationally infeasible” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Encryption_Standard). In the end the US cables were released not through cracking the encryption, but human error – in this case primarily the carelessness of a journalist who knew the passphrase.
@roger
I can’t get anything on googlecache. Prob my low techness.Any hints?
Fascinating spot re the web designer. Office in Brighton too.
But hey…..the website seems very recent: feedback at Mays:
Very patient and worked well with my requests to create a website to illustrate my property to rent in France
Customer in Brighton, 19 July 2012
A by the way question…
What are the inquest/coroner arrangements in France.
And an observation…
If the MSM ‘Sundays’ have no lengthy coverage this weekend it must mean they have no one assigned to the story.