My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@Peter 20 Sep, 2012 – 6:41 pm
re: Charlie Hebdo
Why aren’t French embassies around the globe being trashed as we speak, why aren’t French diplomats being dragged from their dîner, why isn’t the tricoleur not beng torched on the Arab street at this very instant?
Or have we got to wait until after Friday prayers?
This whole goddam scenario is beyond weird.
Peter! What exactly are you suggesting by the Muslim comment?
Ah Peter !
I think, off the top of my head, the exact quote was “for sure these were no ordinary tourists” . I seem to remember it was an indirect quote from police to a journalist, so again not totally committed. But the for sure part is pretty clear. I presume what they meant to infer by releasing this is, ‘look these people were involved in something very murky which may well explain their demise i.e to me, there is not a lone potentially racist gunman on the loose, don’t panic. That’s my interpretation. Also as i mentioned earlier lone nutters unless serial killers or one offs actually want to be caught. Sounds weird but generally it is true.
But i hadn’t thought about the anti muslim angle in france given current climate mmm good angle. At this stage still think it was a team and not race related. Point 2 which you seem to flag yourself further casts doubt on the lone gunman theory ? Very interesting find.
Okay…check the pulse ??? Is he alive ? Is he “nearly” dead.
James – i don’t understand your point ? Probably being slow. My point is that not all head shots lead straight to death without chance of survival.
Roger I’m not trying to explain away anything, i’m merely stating that rental of a house in an area where as a foreigner it would be entirely normal to rent such a house would actually seem entirely normal as part of a cover if it exists. I don’t see what’s in a name or a car reg on the internet i’m afraid. Could be any old cat really. And as for appearing on tv, i’m not sure a pre recorded interview really counts as an appearance.
Roger, yes. The Wikileaks insurance file was protected by AES-256, for which “known attacks are computationally infeasible” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Encryption_Standard). In the end the US cables were released not through cracking the encryption, but human error – in this case primarily the carelessness of a journalist who knew the passphrase.
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Evolutionary Scale – Encryption
1 <——- James
2 <——- Watcher
4 <——- Roger the Todger
8 <——- Herr Dr Peter
16
32
64
128
256
512
1028
GOOGOLPLEX <——- Anders (blush) 🙂
James, it is absolutely crucial that first responders check for a pulse – though it can be hard to find if lots of clothing/in clinical shock (low blood pressure, fast, thready pulse), hard to find in neck unless one is used to cardiac arrests – so as a factor on its own, it’s absence cannot be relied upon as a sign of death/cardiac arrest; also, in such situations, one’s own pulse (fast, strong) comes through and distorts things. Holes in head may not be immediately obvious if obscured by blood and tissue, etc., even superficial scalp wounds bleed a lot – the Saturday night syndrome.
Now, think of the bone.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Suicide%3F+Accident%3F+Or+killed+by+men+in+high+places%3B+UNSOLVED%3A+HOW+DiD…-a0176334515
Suhayl Saadi,
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@Anders @Jon
I never made any claim about communications being unencrypted or the ability to do so. Anders assumed this was what I was claiming.
If we assume the SM was involved, we do not know at this point whether he was “turned” or “planted” and to what extent he is trained to cover his tracks. Either way there can be plenty other information to be gained about him from his electronic traces on laptops/PC’s and phones which don’t involve un-encrypting messages. Given that we can assume he didn’t expect to be killed it is possible he didn’t re-format his hard drive before he went out for his cycle. Perhaps he was trained by NSA-types on how to leave absolutely no trace on his PC/phone etc – but it is virtually impossible if you want to use them for doing normal things like calling people, looking at website etc. Unless this guy was off-grid completely, which is hard to do while pretending to lead a normal life, there will be information there. And if there isn’t – well that will be information in itself! Certainly I would want to do the forensics on his home and work PC’s. There may be nothing there but you be unwise not to consider it.
No idea. All I know about them is that they are supposedly an elite assassination squad within Mossad. I know nothing about guns either. His opinion on the details of these subjects is not what I found odd – he could be completely right about them and yet way off with the overall story. Obviously details are important but off-the-shelf details can be used to build any story.
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I am a detail man and know guns. He is a total fraud.
Suhayl.
Interesting.
And you should check out Rudolf Diesel, inventor of the “Diesel Engine”
…and not “diesel fuel”. That came later (Standard Oil)
The engine was designed to run on “nut oil” (or was the H. Ford !)
Anyway, the don’t now !
And Rudolf. Well he jumped off a ship…on the way to a meeting. Funny that !
If we assume the SM was involved, we do not know at this point whether he was “turned” or “planted” and to what extent he is trained to cover his tracks.
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Lol, you OUT yourself, after the comma!
You simply can’t be taken seriously. 🙂
Suhayl.
Interesting.
And you should check out Rudolf Diesel, inventor of the “Diesel Engine”
…and not “diesel fuel”. That came later (Standard Oil)
The engine was designed to run on “nut oil” (or was the H. Ford !)
Anyway, the don’t now !
And Rudolf. Well he jumped off a ship…on the way to a meeting. Funny that !
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I thought you were an expert on WANKELS, Jimmeh!?! 🙂
Anyone interested in what Iran are saying at the IAEA (nuke watchdog) conference going on in Vienna ?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/middle-east/iran-accuses-iaea-of-attempting-to-sabotage-its-nuclear-program-1.465382
> Lol, you OUT yourself, after the comma!
> You simply can’t be taken seriously.
On most forums this sort of thing would not be tolerated. It’s very off putting to those that are interested and brings everyone down to the level of name-calling which clutters up the thread with reams of back-biting. There could be some interesting stuff on this thread but it is destroyed by the constant barrage of ad-hominem attacks.
Anders…
Please, please, please…please put me on Ignore “TM”.
PLEASE.
OOPS AGAIN ™ 🙂
Either way there can be plenty other information to be gained about him from his electronic traces on laptops/PC’s and phones which don’t involve un-encrypting messages
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(Anders) DISSEMBLING!
BACKTRACKING YER HONOUR! BLATANT!
(James) SUSTAINED! Errrr, no, I mean, err, FUCK!, no, errrM, I mean OVERRULED!
Roger…
Peter has left this desk in a right mess.
He brings food into work.
I want to go back to the Madrid field Office. It’s nice there.
And “codename Flanders” keeps find us.
…and did you get your expenses signed of by Q ?
He’s got mine, but he’s querying the kilo of “bananas” (wink) !
On most forums this sort of thing would not be tolerated. It’s very off putting to those that are interested and brings everyone down to the level of name-calling which clutters up the thread with reams of back-biting. There could be some interesting stuff on this thread but it is destroyed by the constant barrage of ad-hominem attacks.
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Then don’t treat us like idiots.
Presumably if Anders thinks you are a spook and wishes to let other people know he is entitled to say so, as you are equally entitled to disagree. What’s the problem ? I personally find Anders arguments rather more persuasive even if he occasionally acts like the pigeon against the chess grand master ! I find it a total diversion to cry foul rather than ignoring any perceived insults and remaining on topic.
Interesting re. Mr Diesel, James, thanks, I’ll check it out.
To sum up, then, in a somewhat sick manner:
It cannot be assumed that someone is dead
Simply because they have a hole in their head
(after John Betjeman)
@todger
Given that we can assume he didn’t expect to be killed it is possible he didn’t re-format his hard drive before he went out for his cycle.
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I know you’re taking the p, most don’t.
SAH WAS A COMPUTER GENIUS IN HIS FIELD
YOU CAN NOY REFORMAT A HARD DISK
IT CAN BE UNENCRYPTED AND RETURNED TO THE ORIGINAL VIA THE OS AND OTHER
TOOLZ
I’m sure you would know about them.
TOOLS.
SAH wasn’t an idiot.
But you know best.
Carry on.
Thanks, Anders7777, I meant. Sorry!
Anders,
I am too. God is in the detail. But so is the Devil. I can see no logical reason why (at this stage) it matters what gun was used. Hence Peter’s opinion on it is irrelevant and arguing about it is misleading. Plus it’s like listening to children brag about who’s got the biggest catapult in the playground.
You and he (plus others) had (until recently) annoyed me in equal measure – you with your outlandish suggestions, inability to use caps locks properly and refusal to believe the official story, Peter et al with their refusal to believe anything but the official story. But at least you are consistent. Other’s hypotheses have had to constantly change and be modified – not always through investigation, reason or logic but in a way that felt shoe-horned in to the ever-changing “facts” we receive from the Police/MSM/Government etc which have in fact changed and contradicted themselves constantly. It has felt like there are a few people on here desperate to keep the illogical but less scary scenarios alive in our consciousness despite the evidence to the contrary.
Also, if I’ve read it correctly, Peter’s point 3 above is pretty reprehensible. Race-card thing IMO.
@bbear
On an iPhone dans le Pub, again! 🙂
I thank you,
Haven’t read the race card yet as I am always way ahead, if you know what I mean! 🙂
@James
Ah yes Madrid. I know why you want to get back there. It’s those Brazilian girls, isn’t it. I have to say I much rather that reliable old dame, Constantinople (I much prefer that name). The clubs are jolly decent and the cigars are cheap. Be a decent chappie and don’t be sending that rogue Peter over to our office. And no, I don’t want to talk about my expenses. Why can’t they understand that it order to play the role of ex-pat on tour I have to avail of certain entertainment.
That “Flanders” fellow is damn good though. He was on to me in a flash. I think it was because I had a different point of view to his. That gave it away. Damn him! It appears my game is up. I should toodle pip along now. In any event Flanders is making a right mess of this site, disrupting all; left, right, and centre, so there’s no work to be done here. I wonder what boring job they’re going to assign me to next. I hope it’s not the Icke board. Yikes!
Blue Bear,
You can’t be serious about that…the ‘race card’ ?
It can’t be anything to do with race for one reason, Muslims are not a race.
Also, if I’ve read it correctly, Peter’s point 3 above is pretty reprehensible. Race-card thing IMO.
Tut, tut, tut 🙁
Islam is a religion, not a race, and (as it happens) the one to which about half my family subscribes. All I was trying to say is that, if the gendarmes had any leads whatsoever indicating that one or more islamophobic extremists might be behind this, now would be a very bad time indeed to go public with those clues.
In case you think that islamophobes do not go around randomly killing “islamic-looking” men with silenced guns, I shall leave you with some reading matter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Underground
Where is “Peter’s Point 3”? Could somebody please give me the time and date of the post, so I can read it? Ta.
Interesting re. Mr Diesel, James, thanks, I’ll check it out.
To sum up, then, in a somewhat sick manner:
It cannot be assumed that someone is dead
Simply because they have a hole in their head
(after John Betjeman)
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Mo better.
They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.
But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another’s throats.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.
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I am with the last sentence, before the comma.
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The puppeteers, do sway the best.
And you know who, do sway the rest.