My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Well, most of the Italians I know living in Britain will rave on about Italy, the Spaniards, about Spain, the Portuguese, about Portugal. But no-one ever tells them to ‘go back home’. Interesting, that.
Anders7777, I told you that Philip Larkin would start spinning in his grave. See…?
EDL?
Dopey, isn’t that the one he kept pumping up, funny that it hasn’t gone down again. Maybe the camper got her left & right muddled up ?
Blue Bear why is it surprising, dead bodies tend not to fly…I’ve never seen one, I hope to retain that record. 😉
Katie, maybe the Jews should ‘go back’ to Israel, since many of them rave on about it? And the Africans (the black ones, not the white South Africans), to Africa. And the Chinese, to China (oh, but then our economy would begin to collapse). What d’you think? Should ‘the Jews’ and (especially, of course) ‘the Muslims’ (homogeneuous groups that they are, with their mosques and their burqas and their niqaabs and their beards and their halaal meat…) get out of Britain and leave these islands to the ‘indigenous’ white ‘races’ who have been here since the last Ice Age? What d’you think? Truthfully.
Does anyone know why Rafman is an ex-Rafman , he looks young enough to still be in ?
Blue Bear… (and Q)
That’s absolutely right. Daed bodies DON’T fly !
Neither did “William Martin”, his plane “was suppose to have” crashed !
And the name…well that’s just a “funny” for the guys “in the office” !
Could it work twice…tee hee !
Well, “Mr. Martin” did say it was a scene out of Hollywood. Who knows Hollywood better than Operation Mincemeat’s true mastermind Ian Fleming, creator of 007?
“Mr. Martin” did drop a clue.
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Aha!
Hence the “T” assignation!
Well, most of the Italians I know living in Britain will rave on about Italy, the Spaniards, about Spain, the Portuguese, about Portugal. But no-one ever tells them to ‘go back home’. Interesting, that.
Anders7777, I told you that Philip Larkin would start spinning in his grave. See…?
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Irony!
Katie. I assumed that all people in the armed forces would at some point over their careers. Maybe I’m wrong. He definitely killed people and taught others to kills people so why not.
And no one would know “William Martin” (as it wouldn’t have made the papers). Al Saadi goes acroos the border….and hand by hand it…whatever “it” was…gets to the Iranian top “Nukes” who are…as we speal…in Vienna.
A nice little Diplomatic Bag….and back to Tehran by the end of the week !
Indeed, Anders7777, indeed.
Are these people everywhere on the web? Next, they’ll be telling the Irish to ‘go back home’. Oh, that already happened? Ah. The Irish/Muslims ‘aren’t a race’ – that’s where this line of discourse began to reveal itself (so, the argument goes, being against them cannot be racist). As we know, ‘race’ does not exist, though of course it is entirely possible to be racist against the Irish.
Suhayl, you are pushing onto dangerous ground.
I know this much I’m English, England is a small overcrowded island, I find it disappointing seeing ‘furriners’ in such numbers the minute I land at Heathrow, not hearing English spoken & the BBC today showing a new education system in a classroom with only two white faces, the balance is all wrong.
How would you feel if you were me ?
I know I mentioned it yesterday, but I find it odd that RAFman man said he’d never seen a dead body before. Does that not seem odd to you? Not that he hadn’t seen one. I can just about believe that (well, not really) but why say it? Makes no sense to me unless it’s a clue.
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Nah.
Unimpressive point ‘n’ squirt merchant, get some huts under the Exocets, press the button, and
UP UP AND AWAAAAAY ™ 🙂
Nearest thing to a dead body = his case officer.
Well, I am English, too, so what you going to do about it, eh? I’m also Scottish, but that’s another story.
And gingers for some reason 🙁
Another random fact for your consideration. Back to the topic of satellites, aeronautics, etc. When things go wrong, companies and governments around the world can send the items in question to experts across the world for beamline analysis. The experts are not necessarily in the country where the problem occurred. Rather, one must assume that those who carry out this work have the necessary equipment and expertise to give the best results.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamline
As a random example, beamline analysis of the Challenger and Columbia space shuttles was done outside the U.S.
Does anyone know why Rafman is an ex-Rafman , he looks young enough to still be in ?
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Ooooooh get her! 🙂
Katie, come on.
@ Katie – lucky that we live in such a diverse country perhaps ? tolerant ?
that we are just all people after all. Accusing Suhayl off pushing onto dangerous ground
is spectacular.
Well, “Mr. Martin” did say it was a scene out of Hollywood. Who knows Hollywood better than Operation Mincemeat’s true mastermind Ian Fleming, creator of 007?
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“U”
This is an Ealing Films comedy
NOT Holly Wood ( well, yes, it is, but I digress!)
Don’t overlook what I’m saying here about over crowding.
Look at the size of France but with a similar population to England.
Why Blair/Brown opened the floodgates without any of the indigenes having a say,was unfair, it’s totally wrong not to at least try to understand this point of view…
I shall be returning to a very different country to the one I left.
“Does anyone know why Rafman is an ex-Rafman , he looks young enough to still be in ?”
Katie. Two words. STOCKHOLM SYNDROME !
Bilbo, I meant by asking that question. It was a loaded question.
@ katie
20 Sep, 2012 – 10:01 pm
What’s any of this got to do with the Al Hilli murder in France?
Can we move on please?
Didn’t you think so Anders ?
Tanned & fit, I bet he doesn’t smoke & drinks only the French ‘Ballon’ of beer. 😉
Sorry Dopey, I was just answering questions.
I see the builder also says he didn’t hear any gun shots either.
“I shall be returning to a very different country to the one I left.”
Please don’t.
@ katie
20 Sep, 2012 – 10:06 pm
Yeah he wasn;t bad. I wouldn’t kick him out of bed anyway.
More Bollywood.
@Felix: Extraction is a possibility. What of that temporary burial of Sylvain Mollier’s remsins?
If any nurses were in a hospital when the bodies started coming in, will they end up like Jennifer Gallagher?
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@V
I would say so.