My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Dopey…..he’s got a nice house. 😉
And what about the builder ? Nice looking or a bit “rural” ?
What the hovercraft has this got to do with ANYTHING !!!!
Peter’s Point 3 worked.
Stop lurking James, and say something.
This seems a very familiar oxbow on these threads wrt some ‘ex-pats’/emigrants/immigrants. A double irony, then, Anders7777. “Indigenes”? Jeez. Is that a new type of denim? Or a Mubai nightclub?
Thanks, Bilbo, Blue Bear. I agree, Dopey, let us put Philip Larkin back to rest, with some garlic and a mirror, and go back to the topic.
One benefit from immigration is the Indian and Chinese kids set the high bar on exam grades, hopefully the welfare dependants will be inspired.
Also polish builders have helped bring working class Brits to there senses and we have a building trade which prices more reasonably.
Capitalism and right wing politics all the way. Work hard, earn hard. HARD DATA ™ stylee!
Does anyone know how tall ex RAFman is ? I like my men tall.
My ex-wife grew up in Spain and I was amazed at how many of the ex-pats moaned about the amount of “darkies” coming over to England, whilst making their own little white, golf-playing, Pimms-drinking enclave of their own. The irony.
And gingers for some reason
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Now you’re talking! I have a thang for ginger collars ‘n’cuffs, me! 🙂
@ james
Does anyone know how tall ex RAFman is ? I like my men tall.
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Hands off.
Dopey
“Stop lurking James, and say something”.
I can’t… I’m cry !!!!
Contrary to popular belief it is possible to “format” (if you want to call it that) a HD in a fashion where the data is completely un-recoverable, another urban myth to keep everybody in fear.
Now on the subject of encryption, no specialised knowledge is required to encrypt/decrypt various documents. In the case of the laptop any company worth their salt would have some for of DLP installed on all user machines especially considering their area of work.
@W
Another random fact for your consideration. Back to the topic of satellites, aeronautics, etc. When things go wrong, companies and governments around the world can send the items in question to experts across the world for beamline analysis. The experts are not necessarily in the country where the problem occurred. Rather, one must assume that those who carry out this work have the necessary equipment and expertise to give the best results.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beamline
As a random example, beamline analysis of the Challenger and Columbia space shuttles was done outside the U.S.
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Agreed.
Has anyone got any pics of exRAFman by any chance..other than the film clip ?
Preferably in uniform !
James, I’d say around 5-11…. LoL, as we didn’t see his legs how can we do anything but guess ?
Looking at Dopey’s graph, I’d say the girl is in the wrong place from Martin’s description wouldn’t you , but Mollier is correctly placed ?
There’s no reason to even bother defending immigration. It’s gone past the point of discussion in our country. It is as much a part of this country’s heritage as the wealth we gained through the empire is.
The phrase multi-culturalism still doesn’t sit right with me. Especially living where I do. There’s one culture and it changes all the time depending who’s living here.
I’m sorry, I fell for Point 3…
Must be a “slow news day” !
Or an “No news again” day !
I do like the “William Martin” link.
I think that may be a “cock up”…to go with the other “cock ups”.
A private joke…and then the’ve had to run with it !
He’s in skin tight lycra in that bike race. I’m sure we can photoshop a uniform onto the top half.
James, if you go to Icke’s blog you will see a pic posted by MM, a guy in a NZ jacket,but not the one from the TV.
Dopey, on Icke’s blog there is one of him years ago in uniform.
Dopey.
I have the lycra one. It’s GORG !
The problem in this country is not immigration, it’s welfare state dependency which has become a generational mindset in far too many families. Bizarrely it is these families who blame their ills on the impacts of immigration!
@ katie
yes I think he’s an acceptable height.
and
“Looking at Dopey’s graph, I’d say the girl is in the wrong place from Martin’s description wouldn’t you , but Mollier is correctly placed ?”
If going by RAFman’s account he saw the bike first in the road, and the cyclist was in front of the car….BUT he saw the bike, then the girl before he saw the cyclist. Maybe he did see the cyclist but instantly was distracted to the girl when she staggered in to sight …god knows.
Dopey, he also said he thought the cyclist might have been having a rest so…
I’m loving the Guinness
Anders…pure genius
Pink Panther, more crucially IMO is the fact that EVERYONE is out for themselves and all they can get, not just the institutionally unemployed. Something happened during the 80’s and 90’s that changed people’s mindsets for ever.
Troops, go read the latest post (by Wenlock) on the Icke thread
ps what page is the uniform pic on?
out of interest, how many times do Iran get invited to the IAEA confs ?
Is it pretty normal ? And do they turn up ?
Hang on Dopey I’ll get it for you.
Here it is:
http://www.projectoceanvision.com/vox-07a.htm