My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Blue bear, it’s probably a shift to the natural animal instinct of survival of the fittest. 80s and 90s were characterised by Maggies de-regulation, which made people (and London) a whole lot more competitive. It’s evident from the posts in this forum that people inherently compete, sometimes just wanting to save face rather than pursue truth. I think it’s human nature.
@katie
I think your prejudice against Iraqis stems from a lack of knowledge about them. I have noticed that you have made a few comments which displayed this. For example, you commented on how unusual it was for the brother, Zaid, to have an Irish wife.
Well I know of at least three Irish women married to Iraqis (including Margaret Hussaini, the aid worker who was killed in dubious circumstances during the war) and there will be many more. There are many British, American, German, Spanish, Maltese and others married to Iraqis that I know of. So not that unusual at all really.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1061041045
Top left, forth in Eric Cantona !
That’s all any ever does with the good old “team shot”.
Spot the famous bloke….
…OR “wear the wrong uniform” ! A classic !
Kathy, why should it be prejudice to comment on the obvious ?
I know enough to see it is not ‘common’, but also that it happens.
Katie
I was referring more to your comments upthread about how they should go and live in Muslim countries. I was just referring to that comment as evidence that you did’nt know much about Iraq or Iraqis
Point 3 people!
Anyway, Wenlock’s post on the Icke forum is worth looking at I think.
Excuse me Kathy I did not say any such thing. I asked why & said I couldn’t understand why, that is very different.
@Katie
Liar liar pants on fire
And a racist, to boot
How can I make an vomiting emoticon?
I know, I know… Point 3.
(Peter started it, Katie’s faking it… getting sucked in…)
James, is that the gathering to be held at the Warwick Hotel NY ?
I see there’s a call for a boycott because Ahmadinejad is going.
Ferret 🙂
@Q
Problem is, the uncontrolled airport was under military command at the time for an exercise involving the crash of a plane similar to the one that actually crashed that day, while they were in charge.
That’s really weird. You know that on 7/7 the emergency services in London were doing a drill for a terrorist attack on the tubes, and the places where the bombs went off were exactly the places where they were supposed to go off in the drill? They went from simulation to real-time, just like that.
Is this a standard MO? It’s beginning to look like it.
Dopey…
How many Irish women can you name that have married Iraqi men ?
I now only two.
Mary O’Keefe
and Nancy Callaghan (but se wasn’t really Irish. Her brother was a priest…and spoke with an Irish twang)
@Roger
On the other hand I do not think it is coincidence that Mollier worked at a leading nuclear R&D facility
Do you know exactly where he worked in the facility? He was described as a metallurgist in early press reports – would this place him inside the R&D section of the plant?
Ferret: [:'(]
Ferret.
Yes they were.
And with a bit a digging, you’ll find “chappie” saying how he was able to change it over to “real world” because of that…and he then laughed !!!!!
Unbelievable
Oh, that’s a “sick” emoticon normally.
@james
Not really a slow news day.
https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/comp.lang.vhdl/YUHEfma6INw
What we know about Zaid is fishy and apparently totally wrong.
FPGA chips arent programmed with functions by software nerds just for fun. Writing algorithms fot FPGA chips requires highly sophisticated computer hardware and physics knowledge. A few years ago there were only about a dozen specialists in each country who would be able to work with FPGA chips properly with algorithms. Today there are more, but still not enough sophisticated ones although it is easier today with VHDL.
What i wanted to say: you dont work with FPGA chips as a hobby. This is sophisticated and highly educated work.
So then, what we were told about zaid stinks fishy to me and wrong when i read that link. Perhaps he shall be covered to protect him from being the next target. I simply dont know. I certainly know that he did not do this as a hobby as a computer freak.
FPGA chips are widely used in military weapons, satellites and in the nuclear technology (e.g. Centrifuges and accelerators).
This link zells me that we did not get accurate info about zaid al-hillis real job. This is in my opinion a cover up story to protect him from some kind of intetest and danger.
@katie not too tall. Phantoms do have the habit of ripping the knees off tall pilots when they eject.
@Felix
All other info we have is from the the mouths of the security services/police. Why, for example, can’t a family, for whatever security reason, be pulled out and be given new identities? Is this any more ridiculous than the quite frankly bizarre massacre story?
So… we could be dealing with a scenario with waxworks & fake blood… or just actors claiming to have seen it all.
So far, I think there have been three posts about “extraction”, including one of mine, Anders (I think) and yours. Any more I missed?
None of them has generated any debate. WHAT. SO. EVER.
Not sure if this is because it’s the one thing no one wants us to talk about, or if it’s because it’s just a complete conversation stopper!
That car on the Silver Fern website has a Brighton registration. But the house looks more like a show home. Probably very recently fitted out. I don’t think BM would need to be doing any maintenance there.
Good spot! The way he talked about it on the interview, you’d’ve thought he’d’ve got a month’s worth of DIY on a project there…
Sheesh.
Guy..
@katie not too tall. Phantoms do have the habit of ripping the knees off tall pilots when they eject.
They certainly do. All the “fast jets” do.
But on a “C one thrty”, you can have a coffee and your lunch.
…and the ALM brings it to you !
I like “built for comfort, not speed” !!!
@katie
They don’t for the same reason that so many British people are in foreign countries including Muslim ones like Saudi Arabia…for the jobs and opportunities. Are you suggesting that all those British people should go home as they are not Muslims?
@Blue Bear
[:'(]
Thanks!
Extraction ? Why not “get on a commercial”.
An exfil do you mean ?
The on extraction I fancy was “something” not someone.
Remember also, it was the Al H’s …and a cyclist.
Was it the “right cyclist” that was hit ???
Ferret, do you mean extraction as in they weren’t actually killed or that they were waiting to be whisked away but killed in transit?
@ james
20 Sep, 2012 – 11:05 pm
how the hell would I know? You know two more than me, put it that way.
and thaks Katie …looks tall enough.
There’s no reason to even bother defending immigration. It’s gone past the point of discussion in our country. It is as much a part of this country’s heritage as the wealth we gained through the empire is.
The phrase multi-culturalism still doesn’t sit right with me. Especially living where I do. There’s one culture and it changes all the time depending who’s living here.
I’m sorry, I fell for Point 3…
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Mea Culpa.
We’re in the squad room, shooting’ the shit. Waitin’ for a break, fer Crissakes!!!
THIS IS INTOLERABLE ™ !!!
“So much pain out there.
So much madness.” (Joyce Davenport to Frank Furillo)
Other times it was quite cynical:
“We both work for the same waste management project.”
(District Attorney to Public Defender)
Sometimes they felt that they were losing their way, that they no longer knew the topography of the territory and could find no maps to guide them:
“You can’t tell the good guys from the bad guys anymore.”
(Lt. Goldblume to Capt. Furillo)
I’m loving the Guinness
Anders…pure genius
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Tsun Tzu matey boy! 🙂
@james bloody awful drone in the h preferred the fast cat. No catering facilities though 😉