My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@Mochyn69
That’s just the exact point, isn’t it? In the absence of real name registation, on the internet this is impossible.
True enough. “Katie”, though, has had a consistent voice and MO all through this thread. Other suspected disruptors have at least had the shame to beat a hasty retreat (and perhaps change identity) when caught out…
Blue Bear and Ferret – are you one and the same person?
I’m starting to believe so. Regardless from now on I won’t be replying or responding to either of you. I find you both offensive, ignorant and to be bullies who launch personal attacks on those whose opinions don’t match your own. Pathetic.
Too many twists and turns in this story, Too many changed stories, witnesses coming from nowhere, there are too many players in certain high profile industries in the same place in a remote part of France, the whole set up of the car park is confusing and cant even work out if anything in this set is real? where they killed somewhere else and planted?, where are the three bodies the blood in the car?
Its like the story is being written as it goes along
None of the witness stories add up or correlate, the Green 4×4, motorbike and white car have just gone into the ether!
Mollier is a ghost, BM is a ghost, We dont really know what Al-Hilli did at SSTL however its kept secret even though he had no security clearance…………..whats the big secret?
Whats hidden in his house, what was he worried about before he left?
No ballistics until next month??? why?
No news, no friends, family or colleagues are talking, Mi6 must have got to them fast!
It reminds me of what Donald Sutherland says in JFK:
“It felt as if, well, a cover story was being put out like we would in a black op”
That’s the real question, isn’t it – “Why?” – the “how” is just “scenery” for the suckers …
Who benefitted? Who has the power to cover it up?
Kings are killed, Mr. Garrison. Politics is power, nothing more.But don’t believe me. Don’t trust me. Do your own work, your own thinking.
Remember, fundamentally people are suckers for the truth, and the truth
is on your side
@Katie can I have a job!
And thank you Katie 🙂
I never mentioned Mi6 Katie. You did. I thought you were a paid-by-the-hour intern or junior-hack doing some work experience or something, being a good girl.
Dopey, lol. Come off it.
So this family who are constantly reported as being wealthy, don’t appear to be at all. If true that AH was only working for £28 an hour there’s no way he could afford to run more than his UK property.
It turns out the Bagdad property was worthless as is the French house,the Spanish apartment …. does it still exist ? Spanish property is also going through a hard time, and the house in Claygate they didn’t buy the father did.
So money is not that plentiful at all.
I’ma 34 year old Architect from Birmingham, with ginger hair and a limp. Ferret..?
Ricki,only if you grow a beard & own a dirty raincoat. 😉
@ferret @dopey
I’d say the site was put on maintenance mode because they didn’t want prying eyes on the website. Pretty normal behaviour, spy or no spy.
While spikes in traffic to sites hosted on shared servers can cause issues I’d say it was taken down for privacy reasons, and what you would expect anyone to do in the circumstances.
Blue Bear and Ferret – are you one and the same person?
Give me a break
:rolleyes:
I’m startig to believe so. Regardless from now on I won’t be replying or responding to either of you.
Good! If you would only please stop contradicting every oddity in the official story with a nice, well-worded, and totally unsubstantiated rebuttal that would be only so nice. Thank you, and pretty please.
@ roger
The voice of reason. Yes, normal in the circumstances.
Conspiracy of the day.
I did continue my search oregarding Zaid.
In his house in Walton/Thames there are 2 more unknown people. Daniel Laiton and Sharn Davies. I found a bit about daniel Laiton. It could be coincidence, but a Daniel Laiton is always making pro-israel comments on internet boards, particularly when there is criticism about Israel allegidly mistreating palestinians and other enemies. He might be paid by Israel for supporting their interest on the web. Although he sometimes writes in German, it is obvious that he is using English as his first language. His German sounds not unlike my English.
Conspiracy: if laiton is mossad, then zaid is perhaps mossad, too.
I am only speculating. If zaid is mossad, why not saad and granny with swedish passport, too.
Conspiracy: if saad changed sides or else if he began working for both sides, then zaid would have been the first to know.
Conspiracy: if zaid had an interest to get rid of his brother, a simple hint to his boss would have been sufficient for a reaction.
Here is the link ( in german) where we have english spraking daniel laiton trying to write in german a pro-israel statement defending their security service.
http://palaestina-israel.blog.de/2012/02/20/israel-hungernder-haeftling-tode-nah-12861393/
@Ricki
No ballistics until next month??? why?
No news, no friends, family or colleagues are talking, Mi6 must have got to them fast!
Good points… I wonder how much a PI would be able to turn up?
While spikes in traffic to sites hosted on shared servers can cause issues
On normal shared servers it may do, but you don’t know the absolute and utter hugeness of 1&1. They don’t just have shared servers, or racks of them – they have their own data centres, FFS!
I’d say it was taken down for privacy reasons, and what you would expect anyone to do in the circumstances.
Yes, now that is a plausible reason – to try and protect his privacy at a trying time (if he’s genuine) – and not have his email bombarded and his front door beaten down (but he forgot about google cache).
I can’t see whey anyone would find it suspicious ….. considering this is an international murder investigation with the owner of the house under scrutiny for his part in it, I’m amazed the website was not taken down earlier to prevent it giving the location of the house.
It would be interesting to know how many journos are already there.
@Katie if I grew a beard id look like a Viking! or a Swedish Adult movie star! take your pick………….but the dirty raincoact I can do!
Ferret,
I posted this on David Icke @ 3.31 pm 10/9/12
Have we got a believable witness or photo of any blood. Any proof that a crime happened other than a damaged car. No wonder they didnt want to move the bodies.
Whoever heard of leaving them dead or alive in the car for 8 hours.
The family all go back to Iraq and live happily ever after.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraction_(military)
After making similar comments 3 times since the idea almost ignored.
Al-Hillis buried by sundown & a sundowner(virgin) on a beach 24 hours later.
We have 4 now believing this as the most likely scenario: -Ferret/Felix/Anders/Straw
Bluebird.
Doesn’t that then point to the rift between the brothers , one so hated the Israeli’s he ranted at night on Arabic websites freely saying so & how the Jooos were taking over the world…. the other working ‘for’ Israel ?
One more thing about my latest conspiracy:
“Zaid is a control freak”
Ok. So what? What does that have to do with inheritance or money?
However, did he check saads emails and his internet conversation? Well, that would make him a control freak and actually that would be the duty of his job once he became suspicious.
@ferret
>but you don’t know the absolute and utter hugeness of 1&1.
>They don’t just have shared servers, or racks of them –
>they have their own data centres, FFS!
Actually I do know. I also have a fair idea on the set up of these data centres, and judging by your comments in relation, so there’s more than an outside chance I’m not out of my depth on this one.
I checked the host of that site a while back. Saw that it was 1and1 and thought that there was nothing to gained from there, all pretty bog standard. I checked out the web designer. I checked out what other businesses the do beside website design. It all seemed pretty normal.
The website was taken down by a few clicks in the Joomla admin panel which could have been done by anyone. It’s easy to do. Getting stuff removed from Google cache can be done but it’s a little more involved. Blocking web access to the directories with images is relatively simple,but may require a small amount of IT knowledge.
I’d say the site was put into maintenance mode and whoever did it wasn’t clued in enough to figure the Google cache stuff (or as some of you guys might say…that’s just what they want us to believe etc).
Katie,
My conspiracy said that both were working for israel for a long time. However, one of them was prrhaps changing sides lately or befan working for both sides and the “control freak” found evidence and ….
Bluebird – well if we are going down that Route why not say that the three people whisked off in the Helicopter with the Israel general was Al-Hilli his wife and mother!
Straw44berry, you can add me to that list. It is definitely more likely than a lone, racist nutter given the available info.
Right, got shelves to put up. Have a good morning.
Craig, are we going to be able to discuss the recent changes in Planning Permission? I’d like to build a 24ft long, 100ft tall statue of David Cameron in my back yard. It’ll be legal and it’ll piss the Tories in my area off and might get them to change their minds on their deregulation. Sorry for asking for requests 🙂
Mmmm …. sounds ideal to me Ricki, you can forget the dirty raincoat in that case who would suspect a porn star 😉 might be a bit conspicuous though !!!
First assignment, get yourself down to Claygate & bring us back some news………………
BTW, Katie, it’s not suspicious. That wasn’t my point. It was the exuberance with which it was defended and the way it’s distracting people that is suspicious.
Straw: “We have 4 now believing this as the most likely scenario: -Ferret/Felix/Anders/Straw”
Well perhapse the filthy four can explain why some state/gov/whatever would make such a noisy scenario for something like that? Is it just bad footwork from the spooks or what? Or is it meant to be very noisy/ with continuing contradictions for some other spook-related reason
@ Ferret
I never claimed to be a ballistics journalist. Before you base an ad-hominem attack on such a purported claim, why not go back and check what I actually said? There is no need to rely on second-hand hearsay in such matters.
However, I like to work with the few tangible and/or visible clues that we have, like the image of that shot-up BMW. And one doesn’t need to be a ballistics journalist to realize that this claim
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9557078/France-shooting-British-victim-was-selling-second-home.html
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
is utter tosh. If a gang had “circled” that car and fired through the side windows, they would have ended up shooting one another. That journalist is obviously unfamiliar with the concept of fields of fire.
@ James
You are right. Chevaline is probably one of the places in France where a xenophobic madman would be least likely to encounter potential muslim victims.
Gosh Bluebird you must have a hell of an internet speed there !
Yes you are right on that, AH changed in the latter months of his life….as stated by Gary Aked.
{I think we should be cautious on what we say about him BTW, because he’s still alive & could be reading this.}
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