The Al-Hilli Conundrum 6629

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My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.

Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.

In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.

My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?

Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:

From Janesmith101

All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.

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  • straw44berry

    Recognito

    Look at the popular press for what they wanted the story to be.

    Inheritance dispute in the family. Case closed. Nothing to see here.

  • Katie

    Straw.
    Yes funny how the media found out about that feud so soon after this incident.
    Who told them …why… it was that Journalist neighbour of their wasn’t it ?

  • dopey

    @ katie

    yes it may have been Mr ex Panorama. I think Saad’s accountant hinted at it too, then the Oz 9Mae) woman piped in with that letter.

  • Ricki Tarr

    Its all seems so staged why would you warn your neighbour that you have something highly sensitive in your house and could be killed for it, like Joe Bloggs of Claygate could do anything if a MI6 creeper team came down and broke into his house to extract the info, whats he going to do make them a brew and give em a rich tea?

    Its like if you need a few days off work you lay down the foundation of the lie first oh im feeling a bit crook etc etc and then you have your days off and everyone says oh well he was feeling ill the other day………….jobs a goodun!

  • straw44berry

    Sean O’reilly-Hilli, Sharn Davies, Daniel Lainton

    192

    Full address

    First Avenue, Walton

    post code:- KT12 2HN

  • ReCognito

    Straw

    I’ve seen severel theories mentioned in the public press, so i really don’t know what the public press want the story to be. Sure mostly following the family-dispute-line, but that’s – what I think – only because of the speaakings from the leading investigator, the french prosecutor.

    And if you imply that the public press has a particular story, as part of the large disappearing-act, then you mean that the whole public press is in on it?

  • James

    Morning happy campers.

    Just checking in on “the latest theory”…and the squabbles of course.

    Who loves who. Who hates who. Spot the spook… etc.

    And I see Le French are keeping quiet. Still no “reconstruction”.
    Would love to be a fly on the wall when the Brits meet the French !

    Hey ho !

  • Katie

    The feud could well emanate from the difference in laws.

    One , the father would have made his will out according to Sharia law, which is very simple when it comes to inheritance. That being in this case an equal split between two sons here.
    I take it there are no other ‘siblings’ ?

    Because an injunction has been taken out against Zaid by Saad,that sounds like English law.
    Soooo was Saad challenging the Sharia written will which has no weight in UK law ?

  • Katie

    Morning James.

    Can you imagine the frustration British police must feel about having to hand over all findings to the French ?

    I’m not sure why they should have conceded this should be a French operation when the main house is in the UK. Any evidence they find should be allowed to be made public,if only for the neighbours sakes.

  • Ricki Tarr

    Kenneth Im posting this on here so that people can have a rounded view and because these world incidents may have a connection to this case, im not a zionist and dont appreciate being accused of one!

    Sell your crazy to someone else!

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Mr. Simons could 8judging by the name) very well be Jewish. There is SO much crap in that blog, why are you posting a link to it? For example he says:

    The Iranian regime has openly declared its genocidal intentions towards Israel, and is more or less openly pursuing malign nuclear ambitions.

    No Ahmadinejad was just quoting Khomeiny, that “the regime, which occupies Jerusalem” needed to be “erased from the Page of Time”. There are two major things in this: 1) He is talking about the “regime”, meaning that under a different leadership it would be another matter* and 2) As a religious figure, Khomeyni is keenly interested in Islam’s third holiest place.

    *) Ahmadinejad has many times said how the Israel/Palestine conflict should be solved, and i agree with him: All inhabitants between the coast and the River Jordan should be allow to cast their vote as to how they think this land [between the coast and the River Jordan] should be governed. A cautious assessment of the outcome of such a vote would be that Israel then ceases to exist, and that would be VERY beneficial for the world and all honest and righteous peace loving men and women.

  • Guy_Fawkes2010

    @Ricky @Dopey

    There’s also a small airport at Chamberey less than an hour from the site. Was trying to get historical flight data from there last week. Any ideas of sites that will have this ?

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    With regards to ” malign nuclear ambitions.” Why is it “malign” to have nuclear “ambitions” [sic] – to use his choice of words. When the oil is used it makes good sense to have some alternative. Even before it is used, it could be smart to export (more) oil and produce your electricity by nuclear power.

    Then let it be that many countries following the fukujama disater are abandoning nuclear power, but Iran as a sovereign decides itself what to do.

  • Mochyn69

    @Katie 21 Sep, 2012 – 11:00 am

    ‘Many Muslims also fail to write a Will, yet the hadith tells us that:
    “It is a duty of a Muslim who has anything to bequeath not to let two nights pass without including it in his Will.”
    (Sahih Al-Bukhari)

    A Will must be legally valid so that the courts can enforce its stipulations upon death if enforcement is required. Given that Shari ‘ah is not recognised under English Law, how does a British Muslim ensure distribution upon death takes place according to Shari’ah principles?

    Those who pass away without leaving a legally valid Will are affected by the ‘laws of intestacy’ which in most cases requires the assets to be handed over to the surviving spouse or partner.

    If the surviving spouse and their children mutually agree to distribute the assets according to Shari’ah principles, this will be considered as being a voluntary act. However, if they choose to ignore sharia law share distributions , then the voluntary arrangement cannot be legally enforced as the English courts will only consider entitlement under intestacy rules and not Shari’ah law. It is therefore imperative that a legally valid Will is prepared prior to death.’

    http://www.muslimlawyer.co.uk/sharia-islamic-law/

    The fact SAH had entered a caveat in respect of his father’s estate (NB a CAVEAT not an INJUNCTION) tends to suggest there is an English will in existence.

    Anders would say EPIC FAIL ™

  • Katie

    Kathy.

    The country may have been secular, but the father was a muslim & brought his children up as muslims,he would have chosen to use sharia law for his will……give one good reason why he wouldn’t ?

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    And even the latest IAEA-report do not state that they are actively seeking nuclear weapons. As I mentioned earlier on this thread, they are at the moment stronger in conventional terms than all their neighbours, and that advantage would disappear if those neighbours started to get nuclear weapons, as they surely would consider, if Iran got them

    Here is an interview on National Public Radio from November last year, with professor at Harward University, Stephen M. Walt (and Trita Parsi):

    WALT: There is in fact no reason to believe that Iran is actively seeking a nuclear weapon at this time. They’re clearly exploring having control of a full nuclear fuel cycle. They’re clearly enhancing their enrichment capability, but we have no evidence, not even in the IAEA report, that they have made a decision to actually go ahead and build a nuclear weapon, which is what the non-proliferation treaty forbids. What we ought to be doing as energetically and persuasively as we can is try to convince them not to cross that particular line, and I think there are various ways we might be able to do that.

    CONAN: You say containment worked with the Soviet Union and the United States. Would it work with Iran and Israel? Two nuclear weapons going off in Israel effectively ends that state.

    WALT: Well, true – nuclear weapons going off in just about any country in any number would be a horror beyond contemplation. But there’s no evidence to suggest that Iran, if it were at some point to get nuclear weapons, is led by people who are suicidal.It is in fact led by I think what might be characterized as a bunch of grumpy old men without much of an ideological mission to be able to spread anywhere else. And let’s just remember that two nuclear weapon states, the Soviet Union and Maoist China, were led by certified mass murderers who had the blood of millions on their hands. No one in Iran, however regrettable their regime might be, is anything like that.So the idea that Iran is undeterable, it’s irrational, that it’s busy starting wars or getting ready to start wars, I think is a fiction that’s been dreamed up by alarmists here rather than an accurate description of what Iran is really like.

    http://npr.org/2011/11/21/142601176/can-sanctions-end-irans-nuclear-ambitions

    [Mod/Jon: url fixed]

  • Katie

    That pretty much backs what I said Mochyn…except fpr the word injunction.

    If one son wants to go to one of the existing 85 sharia courts operating within the UK & the other wants to use UK law, it is clear they could not agree.

    This was said on the basis of a will being written not intestacy.

    As I said , sharia is not legally binding in the UK. It is the same with a sharia marriage.

  • Ferret

    @M69

    As usual, Katie is talking a complete and utter load of bollocks!

    😀

    @Straw

    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mays-Web-Design/216510985097758
    Mays Web Design designer of the Silver Fern website their portfolio it lists
    Silver Fern and nothing else!!

    Very interesting! Would be keen to hear who runs Mays Web Design…

    @Peter

    I never claimed to be a ballistics journalist. Before you base an ad-hominem attack on such a purported claim, why not go back and check what I actually said? There is no need to rely on second-hand hearsay in such matters.

    Well, your first post on this blog says, inter alia:

    Moreover, I am pretty sure that the killer used standard FMJ ball ammunition.

    So you sound like you know what you’re talking about, gun-wise. So… would you mind telling us all why you neglected to mention the 6.35mm which was also involved in the killings you tried to link to this case? Answer the question please.

    @Roger

    The website was taken down by a few clicks in the Joomla admin panel which could have been done by anyone. It’s easy to do.

    Yes, it’s easy to do, IF you have the password. So, like I said, this was most likely by BM or the web designer.

    I’d say the site was put into maintenance mode and whoever did it wasn’t clued in enough to figure the Google cache stuff.

    Which is again, exactly what I said.

    However, what is patently NOT true, is that 1&1 took it down. They didn’t. That was the claim I was refuting, which you are incidentally backing up. Or are you saying 1&1 is in the habit of switching people’s CMS’s into “maintenance mode”?

  • Katie

    In case you can’t understand that, put it this way, the two brothers will by sharia have been awarded equal shares, in UK law there is no recognisable will.,it is just a piece of paper.

    So that’s where intestacy takes over & everything is open for the argument as to who deserves what.

    Saad for instance could have paid some of a mortgage so feels he is due more…..which the courts would consider….but Sharia would not.

  • Katie

    Thanks Peter. That’s good news.

    Mochyn, I hope you now see there is no fail, just a subject I do know something about.

    As for you ferret, you really do need to get a life & stop your personal vendetta. I threw you off my website years ago for your bullying style, bitterness clearly has remained.

    Very immature.

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