My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
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Katie
The point I was trying to make was that Iraq did not have Sharia law. Fact. Why do you keep trying to make stuff up? Yes, there are countries which do have Sharia law but not Iraq …get it?
Because Katie is an ‘artist’.
Oh dear Kathy …… I NEVER said ‘Iraq’ did,you jumped to conclusions !
I said Saad’s father could have written a Sharia will,which could be the basis of the feud , why is that so hard to understand ?
& anyone who calls me
‘Unpatriotic’
Is
A
****ing ****
Ferret,
Website address is WEST Sussex where Brett Martin wrongly said he lived!!
There is a William C Brett who lived in Lancing, West Sussex 2002-2009, 2011 with a Beryl Brett.
Mays Design have a particularly poorly laid out website – for website designers. I don’t wish to rubbish another professional’s work but that is poor. Look at their logo for goodness’ sake.
Katie, Iraq of 30 years ago was very different.
Blue Bear get into your head….. RE: The will, I never mentioned Iraq , Kathy did .
Hold tight, let me have a look.
… and Mays Design was only registered as a limited company on 10/04/2012, very recently…
I gotta go but will be back later. Enjoy folks, enjoy.
😀
@bluebird
The house shown at Walton-on-Thames is 29 First Avenue; a Weybrige accountant Ian G Southworth lives/lived there..
The O’Reilly Hillis were at a different address. This is not in First Ave. Which one then? the Mail erroneously described the same Walton on Thames modest semi as being in Kingston.
Zaid was reportedly living now in a flat at Chessington North.
@Katie – 21 Sep, 2012 – 3:26 pm
Thanks, Katie. Do you recall the source / where it was reported?
And has anyone seen it reported exactly when they left the UK?
Normal holiday lets in Lathuile…
http://www.holiday-rentals.co.uk/search/keywords:Lathuile
@Katie 21 Sep, 2012 – 3:50 pm
‘I said Saad’s father could have written a Sharia will,which could be the basis of the feud , why is that so hard to understand ?’
Because it contains two conditionals ‘could have’ and ‘could be’ which is indicative of speculation, like everything else you post on here. Pure speculation without any credible evidence to back up your suggestions.
Yeah sure, SAH’s father could have been to Mars or he could be Santa Claus, but it seems he was in fact a sophisticated businessman, a man of property, and would have had solicitors in the UK, Spain and wherever else he owned property, and would much more likely have made an English will.
Sorry to say it, Katie, but once again EPIC FAIL ™!
CD, it was on one of the live TV interviews I heard it, but as I watch a whole range of TV news stations I couldn’t say which one it was.
@Mochyn69
Great post!
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There’s also a scaffolding firm there.
Mochyn.
This is becoming hilarious, so your speculation is better than my speculation. LoL !!
Splitting my sides here.
So, where is the caravan now?
Is it in the possession of the French police?
When was it removed from the campsite?
Were personal items taken from the caravan by the police and returned to the children?
CD.
If only we knew, the last we saw of it was all taped up at the camp site. As there’s no new pics of the Claygate house we can’t see if its now back in the garden.
Blue Bear, at 2:53pm on 21.9.12: Yes, once again, very perceptive of you (Meester Bond). The composition and phrasing of the lines in question seemed to lack the necessary emotion which would have rendered unto them, a greater degree of depth and realism. Oxbows, as I suggested and one familiar to long-time contributors to this site. So, just as some attempted to turn the mass murder perpetrated by Breivik into an excuse to formulate ontological attacks on ‘Muslims in Europe’ as ‘the problem’ (to which were posited a number of ‘final solutions’), one can make out a not dissimilar dynamic in relation to this case, one to which we must remain alert. The Far Right often attempts to infiltrate their discourses into this site – something which seems vaguely interesting, since of course as we know, Craig Murray was, and remains, an active whistleblower and therefore, like all active whistleblowers, is likely to remain the subject of much attention.
Wishing you a speedy recovery. Say hi to Brum fae Glesga! Solidarity all round!
@Katie – 21 Sep, 2012 – 4:10 pm
Unlikely at this stage, I think, but worth following the caravan because a decision is going to have to be made about it. Either it’s important to keep or it’s going to be cluttering up some police pound.
Any references anywhere to the ferry journey they took, and the overland route in France?
Were they reported to have booked a return ticket?
Were they reported to have made an overnight stop en route?
@Nuid
If you’re still reading. Thank you very much for promoting this thread on Twitter all those days ago. I am learning a lot here. And I bet I’m not the only one.
Agreed, Suhayl: solidarity all round.
@ katie
21 Sep, 2012 – 4:07 pm
……………….
Just what I was going to post. It seems some are more equal on here than others where speculation is concerned ie we all do it but a few think only THEY should be allowed to do it.
“It still makes more sense to me for them to go to a muslim country, they seem to want to remain the same in the UK & behave the way they do ‘back home’,going to a muslim country they would have it all laid on.
Mosques,Halal,Burkas,Sharia, etc etc…..” Katie at 9:06pm.
You initially said Muslims. I tried to infer that your language had racist undertones because in our country many people would automatically associate Muslims with “Asians”. You replied:
“Blue Bear, except of course that muslim race you mean, is Pakistani not Iraqi.” Katie
20 Sep, 2012 – 8:46 pm
You did indeed say a “Muslim country” at first, but then slipped up slightly by stating particularly “Pakistani not Iraqi”. I innocently assumed you’d said Iraqi to start with and so I had to go back and check. Is this an NLP method..? Did I think Iraqi because of my own prejudices? As Al Sharpton says “if you get upset by the black man calling you the devil, then maybe you know you’ve got a little bit of the Devil inside you”. I’m more alert this morning than I was last night and it’s raining outside so I thought I’d check.
Trawling through that lot has proved some points to me. All of which you know already. Point 3 etc. But it’s given me some questions. Was your previous role on this very website? Do you use the phrase “furriners” a lot? What word do you reckon the French have for the Brits over there that won’t go “back home”? :p
Anyway…body-bag photos…What do we have?
CD.
They travelled via Dover/Calais. Stopped off somewhere in the Dordoyne en routs I believe:
“Mr Al-Hilli’s accountant, Julian Steadman, of Steadman and Co, a couple of streets from Mr Al-Hilli’s home in Claygate, Surrey, said he saw him the evening he set off for Dover to catch the ferry to Calais. “He was rushing around because he had a lot to sort out.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/family-took-sudden-holiday-after-fathers-recent-trip-to-baghdad-8114018.html
Blue Bear you are becoming paranoid,you’ve just spent how long digging out an UNRELATED COMMENT..
What part of this comment of mine did you fail to read:
” Blue Bear get into your head….. RE: The will, I never mentioned Iraq , Kathy did ”
See ………RE: THE WILL I never mentioned Iraq.
Now, expect no more of this from me , you are being childish.
It was related to the Sharia law comment, which was part of the same discussion. I certainly won’t argue about the paranoia bit though.
Thanks Suhayl Saadi.