My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Give it a rest Kathy, you were too hasty,you jumped in without thought, you wanted to see ‘prejudice’, you got it wrong.
Now leave it.
@ Mochyn69
No, I am merely replying to Katie’s posts about it. And if you don’t like it don’t read the posts!!!!!
Mochyn69, don’t forget this little beauty:
Katei: “So it begs the question was this because they wanted to be near the Swiss border or to meet with Mollier ?”
It begged the question 21 pages ago when everyone else mentioned it. Where are you going with this Katie?
Dopey, yes I saw them at the time too, from memory, it must have been a recent pic because the girls looked about right for their ages.
I too have found Mail pages ‘no longer available’.
Did you save these photos anywhere?
Come on, Katie, I’m waiting. Answer the question!
Katie,
TO PUT AN END TO THE MATTER:-
The pics are no longer available. But this is the bottom line. Photos were of a trip last year. The adult mountain bike was attached to the front of the caravan (not there this time) tandem was fixed to the roof of the BMW. I commented am I seeing things is that a tandem. I wasnt visuallizing Saad & Iqbal tandemming together (incorrectly) as it happens. I think BMW + tandem would still be about same height as the caravan.
This time the caravan is their own that they took from Claygate perhaps/probably via the Dordogne to Annecy.
I see here the Shreen Ayob got herself across many sites with her nothing article.
http://scotlandyard.blogspot.fr/2012/09/saad-al-hilli-village-camping-europa.html
Katie ..
I heart Katie.
Someone posted part of the DM (tandem) article on Icke.
Gary Aked did supply the pics.
..”Pictured for the first time, these are the two young sisters who survived a brutal attack in the French Alps in which their parents were shot dead.
Zainab, seven, and Zeena Al-Hilli, four, are seen happily cycling past grassy lawns on a tandem bicycle while on a family holiday in France.
The photo of the carefree girls, one pedalling and one strapped into a plastic seat at the back, were provided by family friend Gary Aked, who had known the girls’ father Saad for nearly 20 years.”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…#ixzz26j5R5ajy
Here we are, you can see the photo we are talking about !
http://www.google.com/search?q=al-hilli+children+ride+their+bikes+at+campsite&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=1ZtcUJeBEuWX1AWdv4DQDg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1159&bih=554
Dopey.
SNAP. 😉
Katie, would you kindly answer the question? You know,we’re all waiting to hear what you have to say ..
Katie: Here we are, you can see the photo we are talking about !
http://www.google.com/search?q=al-hilli+children+ride+their+bikes+at+campsite&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=1ZtcUJeBEuWX1AWdv4DQDg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1159&bih=554
That’s just a Google search :s
Straw.
I haven’t seen ‘an adult mountain bike’ ?
I have tried to find out more about these Joint Investigation Teams / Equipes communes d’enquête (an instrument that I had never heard of before reading about it today in the context of this case):
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32002F0465:EN:HTML
According to what I have been able to find out, France has only been involved in only 21 of those between 2004 and March 2009
http://www.presse.justice.gouv.fr/art_pix/1_Ficheequipescommunesenquete.pdf
and they all related to either Organized Crime or Terrorism
Perhaps the french authorities have broadened the remit of these Joint Investigation Teams since 2009, but, to my mind, the fact that they have chosen to utilize this highly unusual legal framework in this particular case suggests that they are subject to strong political pressure from the UK and/or smell something very fishy about this matter.
Mochyn69
21 Sep, 2012 – 6:00 pm
I’d hazard a guess she isn’t responding to you because, like I have too, she has determined that you are a moron and best ignored from henceforth.
I’m not waiting for what Katie has to say. I wish she’d stop saying anything. My cat is more informed.
How old are you Blue Bear ?
That ‘just a google search’ has all the photos concerning this case,including the couple at the campsite who have spoken. Yawn .
Katie,
In last years trip it was attached at the front of the caravan but not there this time.
So Saad’s mountain bike was very probably on top of the BMW this time. Shame the Police find it too dificult to confirm its whereabouts in 16 days.
Straw, there’s no record of him having used his bike this time is there ?
When he disappeared ‘up the road’ he didn’t cycle he took the car….. is that significant, was the car in any way connected to these absences ?
Not sure what my age has to do with it. I clicked the link and did not see the photo described by Dopey as “The photo of the carefree girls, one pedalling and one strapped into a plastic seat at the back”. Did I miss something? Why not just post the photo you were talking about?
Then I suggest you need glasses chum.
Maybe I do. Be a chum and click on the photo. Then copy and paste the link into a message and I’ll copy and paste that into my browser, look at the photo, thank you, then go and make tea.
http://liveghana.tv/trending/french-alps-massacre-first-pictures-of-zainab-and-zeena-al-hilli-who-survived-brutal-attack.html
Thank you Ghana.
I had to do a separate search for “The photo of the carefree girls, one pedalling and one strapped into a plastic seat at the back” instead of yours.
It’s not really a tandem though.
You need to learn how to use the net.
The photo is there, but you seem to be ignorant of the fact you have a SCROLLING facility….one click on the photo it would have taken you to the article !
All those pics are now in one place ,no need for anyone to search .
Not at all. I scrolled down to page 11. Which page do you think it’s on?