My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Not really a tandem ?
I give up with you ……….what is someone so inept doing on this site ?
“Thank you Ghana.” Blue Bear.
As Kwame Nkrumah didn’t say.
Have you read ‘The Catholic Orangemen of Togo’, by Craig Murray, Blue Bear? It’s an excellent book, I’d thoroughly recommend it.
“How old are you, Blue Bear?” Katie.
Ageism, too, eh?
Katie
I am not trying to do anything except add a little correction here and there for the sake of accuracy if I see something not factual. There have been too many lies about Iraq, Islam etc. for me not to do that. If you do not want to be misunderstood it is up to you to correct any misunderstandings that may arise due to the implied meaning of your post.
Maybe you should give your Islamophobia a rest as it simply diverts attention from the case under discussion.
No further questions.
It’s plain for all to see that Dopey and Katie’s comments are unadulterated nonsense.
They have no interest in furthering meaningful debate.
Diversion,derailing and dissembling is their game. IGNORE!
No I haven’t Suhayl Saadi but I’ll give it a go. Cheers for the recommendation.
Well perhaps my eyes aren’t the best these days(!) but it’s not a tandem.
Kathy , still at it ?
There was NO correction to make. Accept it.
Poor Poo Bear, you do need to catch up………..
Fourth pic down, of a blood stained rock.
That surface doesn;t look like the surface to the right of the car where the bloodstains were. It looks rockier, or am I wrong?
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/06/article-2198777-14DE1CA2000005DC-256_470x423.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/reader-comments/p/comment/link/19005245&usg=__7K4GktOXymd5PcX-7NW30UI8Hpc=&h=423&w=470&sz=34&hl=en&start=59&zoom=1&tbnid=3fuwn3f3U-BIcM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=129&ei=QKdcUMPzBuLR0QW9kIDYBg&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dal-hilli%2Bchildren%2Bbikes%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1159%26bih%3D554%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1
Katie
There was a correction of my alleged misunderstanding to be made but instead you chose to not correct that impression
http://www.google.com/search?q=al-hilli+children+ride+their+bikes+at+campsite&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=1ZtcUJeBEuWX1AWdv4DQDg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1159&bih=554
To save re-searching articles/photos still existing, they are all here.
Mochyn69
That’s super fine by me Mochyn. Please PLEASE ignore me, because I certainly intend it with you, as I am now doing with the other nasty pieces of work posting here who post nothing new themselves and exist here purely to belittle and bully other posters every time they post anything themselves.
Disgusting behaviour from supposed grown men.
Anyway this is boring so I will ignore your posts from now on.
“To save re-searching articles/photos still existing, they are all here.”
We’ll take your word for it shall we.
Anyway, there’s reports of trouble in Birmingham this evening…
That’s a ditto from me Dopey.
That last post of mine was to @Katie not Dopey sorry.
gosh 23 pages of what the cat dragged in.
!Are you still standing Suhayl?,respect!
this must be so important to them, why else produce so much ill wind and they are all so young, just out of school.
Ahhhhhhh, I suppose one has got to earn something somehow, otherwise daddy will get angry and stop the appanage.
It’s not even particularly ‘controversial’
For the past few months
Brit estabishment has been ‘selling’
Prince (sic) harry
As apache
(Equals indescriminate mass killer)
‘Hero’ (sic)
(Of course they sometimes go ‘too far’ – naked pics etc)
… in other words, judge for yourselves how ‘scrupulous’ britiish state is about killing children, and so on …
@ all the muppets
anders is posting somewhere else now… betcha cant find him 🙂
@ferret
There’s something else fishy about Brett Martin’s website for his house. (Apart from him claiming to be doing DIY every morning on a house that looks pristine, that is.)
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:www.silverfernsussex.co.uk
No telephone number.
How many other holiday homes would you find with no contact number?
No rates either.
No booking form.
No “contact us” page.
Only an email address.
Odd.
Like… he doesn’t really want to do business?
Compare with eg {http://www.ownersdirect.co.uk/savoie.htm} where all rates are quoted (from £xxx per week) and non-geographic phone numbers for all owners.
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Mafia/money launderers do the same on a much grander scale. They’ll build a resort hotel in a very obscure place with local police that can be bribed. Essentially the 500 room resort ‘Hotel’ is always empty, advertised in front travel agencies with phantom visitors – the property reports millions in profits per year, pays low or no taxes, the ‘profits’ are laundered money – eventually the property is sold as a going concern with impeccable books, the land price has trebled.
BINGO
Repeat the cycle somewhere else.
It’s not even particularly’controversial’ (by mainstream ‘standards'(sic))
Prince harry celebrated as some kind of ‘hero’ (sic) because he’s a helicopter gunship mass / indescriminate killer …
@straw
I mentioned that web designer comment yesterday. It was only 2 months ago.
The Indy article above about the Dover-Calais ferry – was the info provided by Julian Steadman the accountant? It is not quoted in direct speech , but this is:
“He was rushing around because he had a lot to sort out. He needed to file his VAT return at short notice and pick up his mother-in-law from Reading…”
Not Reading just outside Stockholm one posits…
Short notice…
The accountant unleashed an early torrent of info the the HuffPo but not mentioning Dover…
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/06/french-alps-shooting-british-family-al-hilli_n_1861097.html
Back to the basics …
4 adults killed
2 children traumatized …
Tell me (in good faith) there is a basic difference between …
Phil T. I want to understand your posts but I can’t.
Nevermind, hey – how are you! Good to see you here! Glad you enjoyed that Equals song, btw. Good point wrt the 4,500 posts on this thread. Some good posters here, though, fresh voices for the blog, it’s nrought a lot of readers, too, I think. Some of the same-old, same-old attempted provocations, too. But to be expected – imagine one-handed clap.
Meet Nevermind, everyone – veritably, a good egg.
Verily.
Pleased to meet you Nevermind.
Bluebear
Starting at the very start …
4 adults dead
2 chilldren traumatized …
So far
So good/ bad
Is that prosazkk enuf?
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/21/anti-islamic-film-protest-birmingham-leicester_n_1904257.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-news
IsAfter that you look at the reported on the scene
Ex-raf guy / mr martin
… he is (or at least reasonably seems to be) an
Ex royal air force (british)
Piilot
But the’oddity’ of this british guy is
He seems
To have been exucated in new zealand
… half a world away from britain … in graphical terms … but not in culturl terms … because
You look at ex raf guy who isreportedly) first to appear on the scene …
And you conclude …
He’s a stray random bloke …
He’s a british establishment ‘stooge’ ..