My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
You want clear cut (this iz that) answers, but you are not going to find them, because the world does not work.out like …
@Blue_Bear on 20 Sep, 2012 – 11:40 pm (yesterday)
I’m still catching up so forgive me if it’s been answered. The doctor in charge of the training on 7/7 was Dr Gareth Davies, who is the clinical director for HEMS (London’s Air Ambulance), which is based at the Royal London in Whitechapel, less than 5 minutes away from Aldgate.
The training session that you speak of is run regularly, I think quarterly, and is a clinical governance day for staff who are currently seconded to HEMS and those who have previously been seconded to HEMS. The agenda of the day ocusses on best practice, risk management, whilst reviewing previous cases that are of particular interest. I know this for a fact because I work at the same hospital.
I found a transcript of the evidence that Gareth gave at the inquest… [[http://7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk/hearing_transcripts/28022011am.htm]] you will need to remove the brackets!
Why can that not be a coincidence though?
Have just checked something online, and the training days are actually monthly, not quarterly, so now it is even less of a coincidence!
@felix
Sorry my post above was to you/all
Pleased to meet you Nevermind.
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Hi Molliemalone.
I was talking about Peter Power – I found it last night. He was the public face of the training exercise carried out on 7/7 at the tube stations that were hit. It was not a monthly/quarterly thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKvkhe3rqtc
This was the Fivelive thing I mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGE9FiuM06o&feature=relmfu
@Blue_Bear on 20 Sep, 2012 – 11:40 pm (yesterday)
I’m still catching up so forgive me if it’s been answered. The doctor in charge of the training on 7/7 was Dr Gareth Davies, who is the clinical director for HEMS (London’s Air Ambulance), which is based at the Royal London in Whitechapel, less than 5 minutes away from Aldgate.
The training session that you speak of is run regularly, I think quarterly, and is a clinical governance day for staff who are currently seconded to HEMS and those who have previously been seconded to HEMS. The agenda of the day ocusses on best practice, risk management, whilst reviewing previous cases that are of particular interest. I know this for a fact because I work at the same hospital.
I found a transcript of the evidence that Gareth gave at the inquest… [[http://7julyinquests.independent.gov.uk/hearing_transcripts/28022011am.htm]] you will need to remove the brackets!
Why can that not be a coincidence though?
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Hi MM
Read up on the English guy who did a doc on 77
Exposé
Went to Ireland to escape tptb in the uk
Ireland betrayed him
Extradited to uk
Banged up for over a year I think
Was mentally tortured
Goes to trial before a jury at the OB
He does his own defence
Is acquitted
Jury believed his evidence that 77 was an inside job like 911 and Madrid
Tons of evidence got him off
@Anders
do you mean someone pretended to be a doc on 7/7?
Peter Ricketts interview
“we are here first and foremost to give them support. We can’t be sure that they are British subjectsn yet but we are working on the assumption that they are …”
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2120121_video_claygate_family_in_alps_shootings_horror
Seems like Ricketts was interviewed, by that wording, in the Grenoble region. So, Ambassador and deputy ambassador rush to the SW of France in case the dead are British subjects.
Since then, from Ricketts – Zilch.
Doc/umentary. I’m not a fan of Prison Planet but: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=85713.0
http://thetruthnews.info/nightmare_scenario.html
Muad’Dib’s latest film about the July 7 2005 London bombings.
After being unlawfully jailed for 157 days based on trumped-up charges, and the BBC making a dedicated hit-piece on the original 7/7 Ripple Effect, the film-maker Muad’Dib expands upon the original film and has added over 60 minutes of new material connecting the dots of what most likely really did happen in London on July 7th 2005, when 3 tube-trains and a double-decker bus were exploded.
Watching this film should leave the viewer no doubt that the crimes and murder committed in London were done by other organizations than by claimed by the official and corporate media.
“I must say, in my opinion this is a masterpiece. In less than an hour, the film explains how this whole event was planned, how it was staged, what went wrong, how the authorities sought to cover it up and the failure of the press to cover it adequately. I think it is as marvellous a microcosm for understanding the nature of inside-jobs as anyone has ever produced, so I must congratulate you and tell you how much I admire your work.”
– James H. Fetzer, professor emeritus at the University of Minnesota about the original 7/7 Ripple EFfect.
“It is an example of critical journalism thatdraws wholly on public news sources to formulate a controversial, but plausible, theory. After deploying three different theories of truth to develop insights into new and existing evidence, it is the BBC / Government theory that has a lower level of correspondence with known .facts., is incoherent to the point of being implausible, and is more likely to distort its reports because of institutional controls and political pressures.”
– Rory Ridley-Duff Ph.D., senior lecturer in human resource management and organisation behaviour, Sheffield Hallam University.
After being unlawfully jailed for 157 days based on trumped-up charges, and the BBC making a dedicated hit-piece on the original 7/7 Ripple Effect, the film-maker Muad’Dib expands upon the original film and has added over 60 minutes of new material connecting the dots of what most likely really did happen in London on July 7th 2005, when 3 tube-trains and a double-decker bus were exploded.
Watching this film should leave the viewer no doubt that the crimes and murder committed in London were done by other organizations than by claimed by the official and corporate media.
@Anders
do you mean someone pretended to be a doc on 7/7?
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See above
Must watch video!
a) His web host is 1&1 (www.1and1.co.uk). They are one of, if not THE largest webhost in Europe, and could easily cope with even millions of hits on his site.
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I’m with the same host for two of my sites, to say high hits on BM’s site is a JOKE. 🙂
It was pulled because they were sloppy.
Julian Steadman, the accountant of Al-Hilli’s firm, seems to know an awful lot about the latter’s immediate plans. How? Why, he had to pop round for an emergency VAT return. Likely story??
Actually, correct spelling is Julian Frank Stedman. aged 67.
In 1991 Julian Frank Stedman undertook his first directorship role at the age of 46 for a company called “Pegcash Limited”
Stedman says the Granny had to be picked up from Reading. Isn’t this where the maternal aunt Fadwa Al-Saffar had just finished her PhD and now is being touted as the foster parent of the two children?
Maybe the Brit spooks flew via Geneva airport? If so, they could’ve waved to the Israeli General on the tarmac as he was flying out!
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All giving Zion forever salutes! 🙂
I stand by what I said. I was speaking generally, and I didn’t need to do any research. I know the basics, having worked in the tech industry for more than 20 years.
Brett’s site would have got more visits in a day than an average business site gets in a month. Aside from the fact he’d possibly be liable for excess data charges, he’d no doubt have had the account temp suspended or been contacted about it. Such high and unusual activity would have flagged up as a possible network attack.
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This is rubbish. Total rubbish.
Unprovable but fits in well with the official line. “fact” and “possibly” in the same sentence is always a tell.
“Such high and unusual activity would have flagged up as a possible network attack.”
He’s assumed too much here. Who said it was high and unusual? If I were investigating a crime I’d leave certain traps open to attract flies. Wouldn’t you…?
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Yes.
That why I asked the m ods to list which organisations are readin this thread!!!!!!’
Ferret,
I posted this on David Icke @ 3.31 pm 10/9/12
Have we got a believable witness or photo of any blood. Any proof that a crime happened other than a damaged car. No wonder they didnt want to move the bodies.
Whoever heard of leaving them dead or alive in the car for 8 hours.
The family all go back to Iraq and live happily ever after.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraction_(military)
After making similar comments 3 times since the idea almost ignored.
Al-Hillis buried by sundown & a sundowner(virgin) on a beach 24 hours later.
We have 4 now believing this as the most likely scenario: -Ferret/Felix/Anders/Straw
Yup
Keep going Anders.
Anders no, I HAVEN’T been rumbled….because there’s nothing to rumble!
So I post one thing that some disagree with and certain people spend an ENTIRE day on a personal attack over it? I think certain people need to take a good hard look at their attitudes and behaviour online, or book a few sessions with a shrink to address it. Gentlemen you certainly are NOT.
I had actually had enough of this place after today and am now posting elsewhere where people actually have respect for one another. However I won;t be bullied off anywhere and will remain, and post as I like.
Carry On.
Bluebird – well if we are going down that Route why not say that the three people whisked off in the Helicopter with the Israel general was Al-Hilli his wife and mother!
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You beat me to it, make it more than three! 🙂
Six??? 🙂
@ Ferret
I never claimed to be a ballistics journalist. Before you base an ad-hominem attack on such a purported claim, why not go back and check what I actually said? There is no need to rely on second-hand hearsay in such matters.
However, I like to work with the few tangible and/or visible clues that we have, like the image of that shot-up BMW. And one doesn’t need to be a ballistics journalist to realize that this claim
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9557078/France-shooting-British-victim-was-selling-second-home.html
This throws up the possibility of a well-equipped, highly-trained gang circling the car and then opening fire.
is utter tosh. If a gang had “circled” that car and fired through the side windows, they would have ended up shooting one another. That journalist is obviously unfamiliar with the concept of fields of fire.
@ James
You are right. Chevaline is probably one of the places in France where a xenophobic madman would be least likely to encounter potential muslim victims.
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What did you introduce yoursel as then???
I know, we all know!!! 🙂
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Mays-Web-Design/216510985097758
Mays Web Design designer of the Silver Fern website their portfolio it lists
Silver Fern and nothing else!!
Dated 3rd September!!
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Nice one straw! 🙂
Sloppy sloppy sloppy 🙂
@Suhayl
Thank you. No way could I let such ignorant and racist remarks go unchallenged.
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Kathy I was fuming too but I thought, let her dig her own grave. And dopey is ok with it too, outed.
From the LePoint article
“Since the beginning of the investigation Chevaline several international letters rogatory sent by the French investigating judges have been denied by the British Ministry of the Interior (Home Office), because they were not sufficiently motivated given the English criminal law.”
UK not co-operating I read this as.
Cover up done, evidence removed, now lets play sleuth with Inspector Cleuseau.
Case closed.
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Yup.
Coverup.
Same MO AS KELLY DIANA 77
EOD.
@anders7777
21 Sep, 2012 – 9:16 pm
The Ripple Effect 2 film: It is by will alone I set my mind in motion
The spice must flow!
Blue bear
Peter Power the 5/7 guy is well noted – and documented – essentiallly (with allies ) just anotther essentially self-promoting/-enriching corporate schemer (not to be taken too seriously)
he’s a former plod who was on scene of tube fire 1980s, etc.
Claimed to be ‘counter-terrorism’ expert on 07 2005 doing ‘coincidental’ security exercise.
Essentially a bad faith bullshit merchant.
Is not a significant ‘player’ – but a sort on whom much time can be wasted
Phil t
if this has been covered then soz BUT I not noticed MSM reporting who formally identified the al-hilli family ? surely his brother would have been the one to do that instead of running backwards and forwards to his local police station asking about his dead brother and denying ‘le feud’…
I am certainly not Ferret. Blue because I support the Blues, Bear because I live in Bearwood, Brum. But if it makes you feel better we are the same. As I said, I don’t trust Anders, but his forecast of how this thread will be infiltrated and derailed has come true and his line hasn’t changed. All the other “characters” here are playing the roles the company asks of them.
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@blue bear
I can assure you I am the real deal
I don’t use aliases
Ever
BTW I am a big time Fulham supporter!
You’ll also notice that I am obsessive about grammar and punctuation. Ferret and Anders are not.
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I’m on an iPhone most of the time so it’s difficult
No editing posts allowed
When I write I get the story down first
I will then go into rewrite
I will rewrite some chapters up to a hundred times
My first 600 page opus took me five years
I employed a pro editor and a proofreader
I thought I had it almost perfect but the proofer found about 100 typos/mistakes
Reading the novel in book firm I STILL find the odd typo
Moral!
DON’T JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER ™ 😉