My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
“The bullet could ricochet”. Yes it could but then again there are different bullets for different jobs and i’d suggest if we are to believe what has been reported about the extent of the injuries to the faces those bullets weren’t going to ricochet anywhere. You’re a ballistics expert so you know exactly what i’m talking about.
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Just say dumdumd or mercury tipped rounds bilbo
Peter is a fraud, I’ve had him by the BALLZ ™ from day one 🙂
In other words concentrate on the facts.
4killed
2 traumatized …
But is this worse than apache helicopter does on a typical day of ‘active service’?
If ‘yes’, then …
@Anders7777
“Kathy I was fuming too but I thought, let her dig her own grave. And dopey is ok with it too, outed.”
Yeah, I can understand that as people like that are impossible to pin down and it disrupts the whole board too which is what they want anyway.
“Jury believed his evidence that 77 was an inside job like 911 and Madrid”
Nope, the jury found Maud’Dib, real name John Hill, not guilty of attempting to pervert the course of justice. They were never asked to view his DVD.
John Hill is currently in Ireland looking for the Lost Ark of the Covenant.
I wish him well.
Phil T,
RE. PP…I never thought he had any kind of power. He seemed to keen to get his face out there. But the pawns are still on the chess board and everyone has their uses.
And I get your point now. Seems daft talking about this when there’s so much misery going on world-wide. I think that was your point. Plus Harry’s symbolic appearance in his family’s current theatre of war. Imagine how much that exercise cost us in security alone.
Too* keen.
Ha, Anders, I believe you. Your typos are a small price to pay and I don’t judge on that even if I’m obsessive about it.
It’s a shame Dopey has been put off by people like me. I thought I’d been pretty reasonable and only really got wound up by the racism.
Kempe, you’re right. He got done for sending the DVD to the judge and jury. Lots of things still don’t add up about 7/7 but there’s probably a thread for that somewhere.
Fuming,dig my own grave ?
Anders if my opinion offends you so , maybe you should stop & think about the effect some of your opinions have ?
It’s a free country,I don’t critisise anyone’s views nor do I do the name calling we’ve seen here in the last 24 hours.
Screaming racist at someone for their questioning or opinion, says far more about the accuser.
Kathy , the only disruption was you pursuing me to correct something that hadn’t even been said.
Time you became a little more tolerant of others opinions instead of this childish gang culture, stop trying to control what others say, you will not get me to become politically correct with any of it………………..
‘Furriners’ though.
Poo Bear, have you no humour in you at all .?
Sometimes. Where are you living atm?
To get upset about such petty things when the world is in such turmoil is bizarre.
You would find more of your ilk on the Daily Mail website katie. The would give you lots of green arrows.
Stewart Lee – Emigrants: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry0Bv1HQRD4
Peter Power the 5/7 guy is well noted – and documented – essentiallly (with allies ) just anotther essentially self-promoting/-enriching corporate schemer (not to be taken too seriously)
he’s a former plod who was on scene of tube fire 1980s, etc.
Claimed to be ‘counter-terrorism’ expert on 07 2005 doing ‘coincidental’ security exercise.
Essentially a bad faith bullshit merchant.
Is not a significant ‘player’ – but a sort on whom much time can be wasted
Phil t
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Don’t think so.
Yes Kathy & you should be at the Gruniad .
“Jury believed his evidence that 77 was an inside job like 911 and Madrid”
Nope, the jury found Maud’Dib, real name John Hill, not guilty of attempting to pervert the course of justice. They were never asked to view his DVD.
John Hill is currently in Ireland looking for the Lost Ark of the Covenant.
I wish him well.
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Kempe outs himself yet AGAIN as antitruth an an establishment arse rimmer 🙂
WAY TO GO KEMPE! 🙂
YAAAAAYY! 🙂
Bit too PC for me.
@Blue Bear
I am flattered that you thought I might have been Anders in disguise!
🙂
@Anders
Thanks for the links, will defo watch that film.
Ha, Anders, I believe you. Your typos are a small price to pay and I don’t judge on that even if I’m obsessive about it.
It’s a shame Dopey has been put off by people like me. I thought I’d been pretty reasonable and only really got wound up by the racism.
Kempe, you’re right. He got done for sending the DVD to the judge and jury. Lots of things still don’t add up about 7/7 but there’s probably a thread for that somewhere.
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Hi BB
I’m like that with grammar and spelling, but this is moving so fast I drop my standard…
Ref the DVD they wanted him to do serious jail time and that technicality was the best they could come up with
Afaik his defence was to give the jury all the evidence he had
Fact us, he was acquitted
Tptb wanted to make an example of him and they failed
I am very ashamed Ireland betrayed him
But they are just as corrupt as the Brits
77 was a massive psyop and innocents were murdered by the state
Let’s not forget that
Ripple Effect
Go watch it!!!
Anders if my opinion offends you so , maybe you should stop & think about the effect some of your opinions have ?
It’s a free country,I don’t critisise anyone’s views nor do I do the name calling we’ve seen here in the last 24 hours.
Screaming racist at someone for their questioning or opinion, says far more about the accuser.
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Sorry Katie but your multiple raciste remarks were well out of order.
Anders7777, have you heard of Denis Lehane, award-winning Irish investigative journalist (not the Amercian scriptwriter) who wrote a book – another recommendation for everyone – called, ‘Unperson’? He also co-authored an earlier book about Nothern Ireland. Lehane’s story is shocking wrt the untrammeled power of the secret state and reminds one a little of the account of Scottish Canadian, Roderick Russell wrt ‘zerzetsen’. Mr Russell is a regular, much valued and very rational, contributor to Craig Murray’s blog.
http://www.quartetbooks.co.uk/bookpages/unperson.html
Kempe outs himself yet AGAIN as antitruth an an establishment arse rimmer
WAY TO GO KEMPE!
YAAAAAYY!
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Once again Anders reverts to insults becaue he can’t put together a coherent argument.
Whilst in theory Conspiracy to Pervert the Course of Justice can carry a life sentence you’d have to get caught threating judge and jury with a chainsaw to get that long. Usual sentence is about 10 months so claims John Hill faced 20 or more years inside are fantasy.
Or, ‘Scots Canadian’… search under ‘zerzetsen, Roderick Russell’ and you’ll find his info. Mr Russell’s an affable, dignified and lovely man who has been treated shamefully by those in high (and low, very low) places.
@Anders
Once again, thanks so much for that link to “The Gentleman’s Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)”
http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
Not that I’m any kind of Gentleman, mind you!
😀
As someone else said (was it you, Blue Bear?) this thread has played out pretty much as you predicted, which is interesting, and quite an education I can tell you!
The following two rules seemed to be in the fore today, which could explain the “Dumb and Dumberer” show…
I also found this quite revealing:
Also
At least they’ve been well trained and know their manual!
😀
Unperson sounds interesting.
Katie, for the record, I was more concerned with an attempt to give a false motive for the attack than I was with one individual’s views on immigration/race etc.
3 people picked up in helicopter from local airport,has that one been put to bed,if not was it SAH, wife and Swede..?…..To be reunited with children at a later date?
Anders7777, have you heard of Denis Lehane, award-winning Irish investigative journalist (not the Amercian scriptwriter) who wrote a book – another recommendation for everyone – called, ‘Unperson’? He also co-authored an earlier book about Nothern Ireland. Lehane’s story is shocking wrt the untrammeled power of the secret state and reminds one a little of the account of Scottish Canadian, Roderick Russell wrt ‘zerzetsen’. Mr Russell is a regular, much valued and very rational, contributor to Craig Murray’s blog.
http://www.quartetbooks.co.uk/bookpages/unperson.html
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No bit I’ll check him out!
The other guy is a GREAT writer, I’m actuall half way through The Given Day right now, read Shutter Islan recently too. Gone Baby Gone was on tee vee recently, want to see that one again! And Mystic River, love that film.
Can somebody please search this thread and tell us all how Peter described his skillsets/background in his first few posts.
Ta – no search facility alas on an iPhone.
@Felix
Andrew May – Unit 1C Grist Farm Hunston, Chichester P020 1JL.
Thanks for the digging. I was wondering today what all the noise is about.
I thought it might be to conceal Extraction.
Maybe so, maybe not.
But Andrew May DOB 8.5.79 is interesting.
He holds 88 directorships (of which 2 are inactive).
Most formed in the last 12 months.
Some called Mays xyz, some not.
Mays Web Design Ltd was incorporated on 10.4.12.
Registered at 9 THE CLOSE, SELSEY, CHICHESTER, WEST SUSSEX, ENGLAND, PO20 0ET
Two directors, Mr Andrew May and Miss Ashley Cranwell, both English, both at the Selsey address above.
Andrew May resigned five months later on 10.9.12 (12 days ago).
Leaving AC as the remaining Director.
They held 1 share each at registration but that could have changed since.
WTF? Register a company with his name in the title, then resign as director 5 months later?!? And 88 companies, most formed in the past 12 months?
Bizarre, to say the least.