My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
the less glamorous John Hill from Sheffield.
he must be doing something for the trolls to be dissing him nowatameen geezer.
dis lickle old man wid his home vhs edit machines from the 1980s seems to bee doin solid work.
maybe from der bbc perspextive it is mad but day m15 and mi6 so dare view is admissable in cort becass of past lies and crimes and makin satments of bildins fallen when day aint fallen yet
wc7 solomon bildin
eyes is gonna white a wrap song aboot mr hills he is a patriot nose wat ameen mr ce gay j7 geezer
The July7 Truth Campaugn had this to say about it : )
ohhh the july the 7th truth champagne lovely
a bit to much fizz for me and a little to jewish yes no.
the captured writing reports about the captured.
how about a name change
the tony blair is great campaign
or
blair truth.org
or
vauxhallmeetmeat.con
the less glamorous John Hill from Sheffield.
he must be doing something for the trolls to be dissing him nowatameen geezer.
dis lickle old man wid his home vhs edit machines from the 1980s seems to bee doin solid work.
maybe from der bbc perspextive it is mad but day m15 and mi6 so dare view is admissable in cort becass of past lies and crimes and makin satments of bildins fallen when day aint fallen yet
wc7 solomon bildin
eyes is gonna white a wrap song aboot mr hills he is a patriot nose wat ameen mr ce gay j7 geezer
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Talking about BUILDING WTC7, do watch serial establishment rimmer Piers Pugh-Morgan (brother’s an Army colonel) getting demolished last week by ex Governor Jesse Ventura!
Piers Pugh-Morgan claims Building 7 doesn’t exist!!!
WOW!
Look at this slimy toad……Ventura schools him on Mainstream TV. A rare victory….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sXQViThecA
And here is the proof of the lie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv7BImVvEyk
Pier Pugh-Morgan P4NED: 🙂
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhsPxkgfAAs&feature=player_embedded#t=62s
Oops double post of link, this is the one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7WGMGHNHfw
Straw wrote yesterday:
Hopefully some reporter did pick up a blood-stained stone. Marvels can be done these days you know, DNA wise. You could probably see if his/hers ancestors have stayed in the Mid East or had forayed into Europe after the end of the last ice age.
That would give you a rough clue as to whether some Arabs got injured at the scene.
True. If I was organising the FAIRYTALE ™ I’d have taken blood samples from all the alleged victims, and poured out the blood in the logical places, done proper spatter effects. But everything so far has been sloppy sloppy sloppy, so they probably FUBARd that one too! Probably goat’s blood or a Bloody Mary mix! 🙂
Good morning!
And hello again from Sir Peter Ricketts,this time on YouTube, who is explaining how his short-staffed embassy in Paris has been hard at work on the repatriation of the two Al-Hilli girls. Uploaded 21 Sept
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY4xW8hGKDg
From the Ricketts archives on BBC…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nySjTLgflc
“We are assuming (head jumps up in air) that there are British people involved (excellent assumption, as it turned out) and therefore our primary responsibility here is to support (shakes head) British people who have been caught up in this,therefore the two girls and we have ensured that the younger of the two girls who wasn’t physically harmed has had consular staff (from a short-staffed embassy!) with her this afternoon to give her support….we are doing everything you would imagine that we would do with a small girl who must be deeply, deeply traumatised in a foreign country not speaking the language.
Bad show from the Swedish ambassador who didn’t show for the granny.
@Ferret
WTF indeed.
Why choose a start-up web designer, which can’t spell and is, well, not very good.
Not forgetting Christopher May, b 1983. Martin Peter May b 1982.
Strange coincidental date of resignation of directorship…
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Strange old world.
@Phil T
Facts?? Alleged.
Q Did Maillaud get to the “crime scene”? If so, when? Who was feeding Maillaud? He’s a better performer than BM, though.
Where’s BM?
@Straw
Sorry, overlooked the Mays Web Design FB page post. Thanks. (I’m more of a field operative, very little desk time…)
Sudden post hoc burst of web design activity….
Anyone here with a second home to rent out, I know just the company to help out
http://www.mayswebdesign.co.uk/web-design-brighton.html
Bacofoil 50% off at Tesco!
@Kenneth
Hopefully some reporter did pick up a blood-stained stone.
Thanks, Kenneth.
But if this were being treated as a normal crime scene, I would have hoped the police would have collected all the evidence and analysed it for DNA, in case one of the killers got wounded and left their DNA on the scene. Not leaving traces behind for reporters to find.
🙂
But the police reportedly let the reporters up after just 2 hours, to trample all over the crime scene, and contaminate and/or remove evidence, as you suggest.
There’s no way they could have collected all the blood, fibres etc etc in that time. British police take DAYS to do that, finger-tip searches, and all and all.
Someone posted a link a while back to a top British policeman saying he couldn’t understand it.
I couldn’t either, but it becomes easier to understand if you start to consider that this wasn’t being treated like a normal crime scene.
Well done Dopey.
Sorry you’re taking flak because of something I said which the blind & intolerant can’t cope with.
Talk about pot & kettle calling ‘me’ a bigot…..that is truly risible.
They also have no idea what racism is.
While one would expect the discussion of such a serious plot to become more focused, it, of course, has become just less so, thanks to all the personal fights and irrelevancies.
I find the stuff about SIlEX just too convenient for there not to have been a Anglo-American-Franco plot in killing the Hillis and Sylain Mollier – too convenient, in fact.
The SILEX stuff, if true about Saad, makes him look like an Iranian terrorist, committed to Tehran getting weapons-grade plutonium on the cheap and covertly.
It just backs up what Thomas Reed and Danny Stillman have claimed in The Nuclear Express about what the Iranians are up to.
But all this stuff about what SILEX lasers can achieve might just well be a cover for what the NRO’s and ESA’s satellite lasers can achieve in finding exactly what arms sites Iran has which cryosat-2 type satellites can precisely locate – what would make any diclosures by al-Hilli much more justified.
Al-Hilli could just want Iran to avoid a disaster like Sichuan experienced in May 2008 when similar NRO satellites caused that devastating earthquake which destroyed much of its nuclear facilities and scientists.
The disclosure of developments occurred at the same time, and the SILEX ones can be just a fallback position for the plotters if the real plot starts getting exposed.
Almost no one is concerned over the murders if al-Hilli and Mollier were in the process to making Iran what almost everyone in the West is paranoid about the prospect of.
@Anders
OK FERRET AND INTERESTED BOYZ N GIRLS
THIS BELOW IS THE HAFNIUM I WAS LOOKING FOR
(just got back from the pub and have a search facility)
HERR PETER DESCRIBES HIS SORRY LYING ASS THUSLY!!!
“As a writer on counterterrorism matters”
Peter
15 Sep, 2012 – 4:40 pm
7.65mm ammo is a Mossad calling card isn’t it ?
Nope. As a writer on counterterrorism matters, I am quite familiar with the israeli way of doing this sort of thing. To me, not a single aspect of this assassination suggests that professionals were at work there.
“As a writer on counterterrorism matters”
TOTAL FRAUD, BUSTED BY ANDERS, TIME AND TIME AGAIN! ™
BUSTED!!!
😀
Maybe his posts here are his “writings on counterterrorism matters”??? Oh, the irony.
😀
@Trowbridge
While one would expect the discussion of such a serious plot to become more focused, it, of course, has become just less so, thanks to all the personal fights and irrelevancies.
I find the stuff about SIlEX just too convenient for there not to have been a Anglo-American-Franco plot in killing the Hillis and Sylain Mollier – too convenient, in fact.
The SILEX stuff, if true about Saad, makes him look like an Iranian terrorist, committed to Tehran getting weapons-grade plutonium on the cheap and covertly.
Well reasoned, as ever.
What do you think of the potential for a counter-position, i.e. that SAH had sold the Iranians duff technology which had, or was designed to, in some way sabotage their nuclear facility, and the Iranians bumped him off?
I have no idea of the capability of the Iranian Secret Service to carry this out so merely speculating at this point.
Trowbridge,
I agree, everyone’s gone off on a tangent with all the science bit, but the solution to this mystery could be so much closer to home ….
Whilst yes Mollier could have been in cahoots with Al-Hilli over something to do with Cezus there could also have been a simple explanation why they were meeting…. like he was going to introduce AH to his cycling club !
Annecy has an annual cycling race around the lake, it is bidding for the 2018 winter Olympics too apparently, AH is a skier. A tenuous link but so are many already mooted.
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/business/s/2120960_prestigious_award_for_surrey_space_centre_director
The director of the satellite company that employed Mr Al Hilli gets von Kármán Wings Award at Caltech.
http://www.galcit.caltech.edu/ahs/
Hmmm… interesting notion… to introduce SAH to his cycling club… up a remote forest track, with no other club members around… with SAH and family all dressed up in their Sunday Best, with Granny, Mrs SAH, and the kids in tow… not sure what kind of “introduction” you have in mind there, Katie? Perhaps you could expand a little on your speculative theory?
😀
Certainly have no doubts about the Iranian Secret Service’s abilities to kill troublemakers.
See this link for my article about what happened to American General John P. Wheeler, III – still an officially unsolved murder:
http://codshit.blogspot.se/2011/03/Iran-Contra-cover-ups-Iranian-republic.html
See no likelihood of Hilli having done anything similar. More likely, he helped Tehran as I have suggested.
And Katie, you have not suggested any motive for killing them both.
I’m saying that the meeting & location could have nothing to do with science.
The motive could be the Iraqi ‘with the long memory’ as mentioned several times by speculators interviewed at the very start of this.
With all that’s going on with sectarian killings & AH ranting for hours at night on Arabic websites/chat rooms, one assumes it was with the Shia community, I find it very odd that no one here is willing to take this seriously…..this family were very high profile in a minority sect, why ignore this ?
I can see why “conspiracy theorists” are spreading across the web like wild fire !
They even provide their own “proof”….the often quoted by “the many”.
“The Gentleman’s Guide To Forum Spies (spooks, feds, etc.)”
http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
They should try other reading othre work though. Maybe
http://profs.sci.univr.it/~bellin/workshop08/logprag08.html
or
http://profs.sci.univr.it/~bellin/rio/nauthor.pdf
or even (which is better)
http://www.open.edu/openlearn/body-mind/psychology/psychological-studies/the-psychology-conspiracy-theories
Failing that….as is “often” suggested on here, look the “their” motivations.
Lets assume, a failed author ?
What would someone like that want on here ?
Anyway, all I see is “bizarre”. With few “facts”.
Although there are some damn good nuggets on here (of info I mean !).
I don’t believe 7/7 or 9/11 was “as presented”.
And the actioned that follwed those events “prove” it wasn’t.
So yesterday I “got on the phone” and email following the line I believe (with these events).
Rather than sitting and creating noise…I hope some of you are brave enough to do the same !
Christ almighty Katie. You’re lucky I’ve got stuff to do today.
In Iraq, Shias are the majority grouping. The Govt is Shia-dominated.
Well, are we too not “ranting for hours at night” (quote from Katie, at 9:37am on 22.9.12) on the web? It’s common, normative, even. Do we expect to be assassinated in some dark wood? I hope not. Do we know for certain that he was doing this? We have his pal saying so, and so far that’s it.
“…this family were very high profile in a minority sect”
Katie, at 9:37am on 22.9.12.
Were they? Had any of us heard of them before their murders? High profile, in what way? A dentist and an engineer in Surrey?
An intra-Muslim sectarian hate killing, simply for sectarian reasons (and not for Iran-related espionage, or Iraq-related espionage, etc. reasons)? Possible, needs to be considered, but unlikely, in a wood in rural France.
‘The family picnic’ is a very well-used espionage cover (as I wrote, some 4,000 posts ago), including in Iraq in the past.
Think that you, Katie, are explaining why the murders were made to look like a Saddam settlement of scores where his agents take out the whole family, not just the troublesome father.
Then, of course, there is the problem of the two girls surviving – what looks like the actual killers not have the guts to do so. This is what one would expect from a group of killers who were used to doing it from a long distance – not hand to hand combat.
Then there is the giving of the von Karman Wings award to Sir William Sweetman for SSTL’s development of small laser satellites just days after the massacre, and SSTL was coming into focus in the investigation.
The giving of the award was to make it look like it had nothing to do with the massacre – just another of those darn coincidents.
Thanks, Mary, for spotting and mentioning it.
British journalist, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, for example, is genuinely high profile and is secular, and is a Shia of the ‘Sevener’ persuasion – Ismailis, as they are known (the majority of Shias are of the ‘Twelver’ persuasion). A minority, within a minority, within a minority. She regularly publicly critiques Islamism in all its forms and also regularly publicly critiques Islamophobic racists. She co-founded the organisation, British Muslims for Secular Democracy’, which I would urge people to check out, it’s a good organisation. She has had lots of death threats. I’m pleased to say that she is very much alive.
http://www.bmsd.org.uk/