The Al-Hilli Conundrum 6629

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My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.

Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.

In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.

My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?

Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:

From Janesmith101

All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.

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  • anders7777

    link – duplicate the text to a pastie.org board if you are worried about the original disappe

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    I don’t trust pastie.org

    They might get nobbled!!! 🙂

  • anders7777

    but ‘utterly sincere’ people like Anders Breivik, who make no secret of their views. One would not have described someone like Breivik a a troll, but a fanatic.

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    This was a classic psyop IMHO, just do some digging.

    You need the context and the WHY and the WHY NOW.

  • anders7777

    @Kempe

    Sure, if it pleases you.

    Thanks

    I’m a scientist and engineer by background.

    Me too. Well, scientist, anyway.

    I know what causes earthquakes and was just interested to know how they could be trigged by HAARP.

    Anders’ subsequent posts didn’t answer the question but then I never really expected that they would.

    It was too long for me to read, so I can’t judge.

    Look, to be honest, when I first heard about HAARP causing earthquakes I sniggered incredulously. Like… yeah, right. As I did (and still do sometimes) when I hear outlandish new claims being made.

    But I’m less incredulous now.

    (And I mean… a Hafnium weapon… had anyone heard about that until a few days ago?)

    Anyhoo… I still haven’t found an explanation of HOW it works, but then it is supposedly SECRET isn’t it… so they wouldn’t go posting it on the internet… And, just because we don’t know HOW it works, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t work. Mind you, it doesn’t mean that it does work, either!

    For that matter, how do Trowbridge’s laser-sats work to cause earthquakes? I’ve no idea either.

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    Lotta bullshitters and fakes here and frauds and paid shekelboys after their moolah.

    I been onto HAARP for decades.

    Weather warfare is so real the UN has treaties on it.

    Fire up HAARP and you can control all sorts of stuff.

    Tesla pioneered it all

    Had electricity go from A to B via air.

    Mucho simplified of course, that kind of Tesla free energy puts the usual suspects a MASSIVE dent on their stranglehold profits.

  • anders7777

    Look at this:

    “French investigators added that the use of a single gun did not necessarily mean that the killer acted alone. Other evidence pointed to the presence of two assailants at the scene.”

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/french-alps-murders-sevenyearold-zainab-alhilli-tells-police-and-relatives-of-her-terror-at-the-shootings-8122200.html

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    Katie we said this in the first few minutes of the “news” …

    Nothing new at all.

    All the dead tree press have been doing is stealing all our sleuthing,
    and ideas, like the rabid rats they are.

  • Blue_Bear

    Katie: “Since when did we hear ‘there is evidence’ of two assailants’ ?”

    We didn’t.

    The Independent: “Other evidence pointed to the presence of two assailants at the scene”.

  • Ferret

    Ahhh… Gary Aked, Gary Aked, dear old dear old Gary Aked, such a good friend of Saad Al-Hilli wasn’t he, knew so much about his business dealings he was “sure his work had nothing to do with it”, didn’t he, yes yes dear old Gary, the same one who indicated Saad was offed by a chat-room loony for his islamic rants, surely Gary is not an agent of the crown, despite his high security clearance, what what?

  • anders7777

    Why would the British Embassy in Paris be needed to send a special interpreter between the 4-year old child and the policewoman Delphine Josse?
    http://www.europe1.fr/Faits-divers/Comment-recueillir-la-parole-d-un-enfant-1230525/

    Why could not the French be allowed to find their own interpreter? It can’t be difficult.

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    Simple.

    I have said all along TAVISTOCK shrinks were used.

    Unless you get your head around mind kontrolle from around 1921 you will get nowhere.

  • Felix

    The Swedish government’s press officer at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs…
    Stockholm confirme la nationalité d’une des victimes. La plus âgée des victimes de la tuerie de Chevaline est Suédoise, a par ailleurs confirmé Stockholm dans l’après-midi. “Les informations données en France sont justes. Elle est suédoise. Nous attendons la fin du processus d’identification pour donner une confirmation officielle”, a déclaré l’une des porte-paroles de la diplomatie suédoise, Linn Duvhammar.

    Cette dernière a toutefois refusé de communiquer l’identité de cette victime dans l’attente de la confirmation officielle, qui pourrait intervenir avant la fin de la journée. Sa famille en Suède va être informée par la police dans l’après-midi.

    So, why did she refuse to name the Granny? She is waiting for official confirmation. But there’s a Swedish passport, isn’t there??? What’s the problem here???

    “There is still some technical evidence that they need to work on before they can fully confirm her identity,” Swedish Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Linn Duvhammar said [to CNN Sept 9]
    Technical evidence??? Like a passport??

  • Ferret

    Re the 20+ UK spooks flying down double-quick time to the crime scene, the way I see it, it CANNOT be a hit with UK secret service knowledge or connivance.

    Heck, I’m no expert in the field, but when HQ gets the coded message “mission accomplished” they’re hardly likely to send off a squadron of spooks to investigate, surely that would look, well… suspicious?!?

    And, if SAH truly wasn’t known to MI5/MI6 then again, they’d hardly send the squadron in, to investigate the brutal murder of a family of “tourists”. One or two would have done, to liaise with the French police, right?

    Plus – as stated not very long ago on this very thread, they even said at the beginning that they weren’t even sure of the victims’ nationalities.

    So… WTF is going on?

    MUST be… (by process of elimination) that SAH was a UK asset, and the UK didn’t know about the hit in advance.

    Trouble is, I can’t tie this in with any of the suggested motives… (see, I told you…)

    Can anyone help?

  • anders7777

    We’ve got the old one two Katie Peter right brain left brain cubicle boy going now.

    Dopey busted.

    Peter

    Katie

    Watcher

    Mark

    Mike

    Dozens of the fuckers.

    Hope you cm BOYZ get it by now.

  • Guy_Fawkes2010

    @Felix The problem with a passport is that ID is by photograph. What if …? The 2 shots cam from the back of the head, therefore not much left in the facial structure due to the trauma of the exit wounds ?

  • Ferret

    @Guy

    Yes, esp if the Swedes were asked by the French to keep the exact details out of the press, we were told there were some identification issues but not what they were, exactly.

    Strange, though, that at first we were told she was dead but they didn’t know how she died…

  • Blue_Bear

    Felix, there could be a perfectly good reason why the identification has taken so long. Her face could have been destroyed and dental/medical records could take a while to come through.

    Ferret, your post at 11:08 is excellent. Good logic.

  • bluebird

    Probably just another question:

    Could Sylvain Mollier have had any family links to Jean-Claude Mollier?
    I have no idea. However simply search the internet for Jean Claude Mollier and who he is and what he is working on scientific research. It fits pretty much to what SAH apparently worked for due to press releases.

    If in fact there aee any family links, then Sylvain would appear in a completely different angle here.

  • Blue_Bear

    Jon, I don’t think they said they found the bullets in her. If her head was crouched down hiding she could have two separate entry wounds in the back of the head, no face due to one massive exit wound and two bullets in the floor of the car.

  • Ferret

    @GuyF

    also fits with the staged scene theories to a degree

    What does, the strange Swedish response?

    If so, then yes – waiting to get all their ducks in a row before pronouncing yay or nay…

    Another question, the 20+ spooks, WTF would they actually DO once they’d arrived on scene?

    They can’t do police work due to protocol, so… what exactly?

    Nip back to good old BM’s for a pint and a swim?!?

  • James

    “Another question, the 20+ spooks, WTF would they actually DO once they’d arrived on scene?”

    Well they never checked the VAT returns !

  • Guy_Fawkes2010

    Maybe the 20 spooks were the cleanup squad. The UK SS have been caught off guard. BM was the minder and got a distress call out to say that the operation was blown. Hence the knee jerk reaction and the speedy response ?

    I still think they’ve lost something important in this debacle therefore the silence through D-Notice and the non co-operation from the Home Office to the French authorities.

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