My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Kathie,
Ahmad knew quite a lot about areva/dubai project, too and obviously he had information about money that went into the pockets of politicians in france regarding that project. Perhaps he was not seeking WW3 in his blog, bit he was writing favourably and positively about a WW3 without nuclear weapons.
So wr have Ahmad Hayat at ISAE. ISAE is working on different projects wit Surrey Satellites SSTL. The boss of ISAE is coincidentally somebody with the name Mollier, namely Jean Claude Mollier, who coindidentally is a france’s top specialist in the same field of physics where SAH was apparently working in his press released job.
According to press, police is currently searching a Pakistan link of SAH.
Ahmad Hayat is Pakistani and he is thr right hand of Mollier regarding his laser (xray and microvave laser) projects.
Perhaps that is all coincidence. Perhaps the name Mollier is as likely in France as it is the name Smith in the UK. I dont know, but if there are family links between Sylvain and Jean Claude, then we opened the box of the Pandora by accident.
Does anyone think the Pakistani could have been a useful idiot ?
Think about it, the hit does not look 100% professional, it could be a military person trained in weaponry rather than a trained assassin,what’s better for the secret services [ French or British ] than to foment the sectarian divide to get someone to do their dirty work if AH & Mollier were selling info/material.
A Pakistani looking man or an Algerian looking man of which there are many in France ?
I also feel this is someone who knows the area well.
Maybe this is more of a joint operation with the French than we think.
“This particular blog has so few viewers…” Kenneth Sorenson, 8:26am on 23.9.12.
How do you know, Kenneth? The info. provided by Craig Murray in his post, and my experience anecdotally from talking with people in, say, the USA, and from other interactions as well, is that the situation is quite the opposite. The Mods will know.
Morning Straw, yes I have thought about that, having a house in France gives credence to opening a bank account.
Could AH have called in to collect mail ? If he was being paid for covert work having two bank accounts makes sense . I mentioned this before because Diana’s chauffeur had done just that if you remember.
The inquiry found some large unexplained payments.
Katie, at 9:04am on 23.9.12
Actually, that’s a good suggestion. I agree, it does not seem to have been a totally professional hit. What Pakistani, though? Has the daughter come up with a description? Just wondring whether there is a link to relevant info. Thanks.
Suhayl it’s already on this thread,but here you are:
“Detectives are trying to trace a mystery man from Pakistan who is believed to have been in touch with Muslim dad-of-two Saad, 50, in recent months.”
It does look as though they are pinpointing Pakistan though.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-police-investigate-1338671
Straw wrote:
He buried something there, or hid something under a stone, which was picked up by others?
Suhail,
I think that they search for the pakistani as a copatriot (radicalism?) rather than as the killer.
Check my ISAE – SSTL connection report.
Good thought Kenneth, but locals being what they are would say if any other visitors had been around.
Burying/storing something would be feasible.
Bluebird, Pakistan is generally Sunni AH was Shia.
Unlikely they would work together in my view…..but maybe against a perceived common enemy ?
Oh yes, thanks, I recall seeing that post/link. I see what you mean. I just thought there’d been some new and more detailed ID-ing of “the bad man” by the daughter or whatever. Interesting.
What if there were selling of nuke secrets from some elements of the infamous (Pakistan-based) Khan network to, say, Iran? Or suspicions of that. We’ve all been looking at France’s nukes, but what about Pakistan’s nukes. This nuke info. has been sold to various countries by the Khan network.
ISI…?
Now that we know what has happened those pictures from the crime scene have a eerie feel about them, – but if you try to abstact your mind from what have happened, I should think that the scenery with the stream and green leaves should be quite appealing for people from the Middle East, or for that matter ..a suburb of London.
So the fact that locals are wondering what the hell people would want to go up there, well, many people like a picnic in the Forest. I know for a fact that Swedes just don’t get it why Danes would want to by their own desolate farms without electricity in the middle of a forest, but they are very attractive for ud, because we do not have that kind of landscape at home.
@ Suhayl
The way in which I read this is as follows: Judging from everything we know, SAH does not appear to have been a particularly devout muslim. There are no indications (that we know of) that this had changed within the last few months – no reports from neighbours on any recent changes in his own and in his wife’s habitus and habits. No reports that he had been growing a beard, going to the mosque all the time, making his wife cover up from top to toe etc. Indeed, the fact that his wife was preparing to qualify as a dentist, freely mixing with strange men, is quite a clear indication that he was no religious fanatic.
Yet at the same time he appears to have been a bit of an armchair jihadist on the Internet, which led to him coming into contact with said Pakistani, who, as I read this article, really is a known terrorist suspect. Now, owing to his job and qualifications, SAH would have a lot of valuable information and expertise to share with those real-life jihadists. Probably the most germane and valuable information he had to impart would be advice on how to jam or spoof the telemetry of US drones, but that is just a guess on my part.
These terrorists are careful people, though, and like to know whom they are dealing with. Thus, they probably would have sent some trustworthy person (someone with Pakistani roots living in the UK, for example) to check out SAH. Said person would have reported back to Pakistan that SAH was a complete fraud on the religious front, not a devout muslim at all. That would have put SAH in a very dangerous position, as they might have suspected him of being an informer working for british intelligence.
Straw, what do you make of this. When I NOW click on your link (after having used it this morning), I get this:
We found (0) Editorial image search results for:
” FRANCE-BRITAIN-CRIME-SHOOTING ”
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Works for me Kenneth.
http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/sweeper-vehicle-drives-on-the-combe-dire-road-on-september-news-photo/151361625
Yes that’s the old sweeper, but what about the collection of images that I used this morning on icke?
An IR35 contractor rushing around to submit VAT returns before leaving on holiday ?
Peter wrote in his last sentence:
Yeah right. The fact that he had written som BS in a chat room would put him in a dangerous position? Don’t you get that the intelligence services would have followed ALL post on that forum?
They would have followed ALL posts, so there was nothing that SAH could ‘inform’ about, that the intelligence services didn’t know. And people writing on such [which could be described as being.. extreme] chatrooms, know that they are being monitored.
Peter, thanks very much. A very interesting theory – let’s see. Either/both Jihadists and the Pakistani ISI (which is their main backer) do work widely, as we know. The ISI in particular long have been operative in Central Asia and Chechnya and elsewhere, the Middle East, etc. – I’ve often referred to them as “the poor man’s MOSSAD”, but actually they are the most efficient part of the Pakistani state apparatus.
Don’t you get that the intelligence services would have followed ALL post on that forum?
They would certainly have tried to, yes. But what if SAH went beyond mouthing off on a BBS and said: “Look, I have some really useful information to offer”? To the jihadists to whom he may have offered that information, that would have looked like an attempt to penetrate their organization, trying to get really close to them. Thus, of course they would have checked him out first. Don’t you get that?
Peter wrote:
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This is a British forum, so the spelling would be:
o-r-g-a-n-i-s-a-t-i-o-n. Just like in Germany. So no need to cross the Atlantic spelling-wise when we are having an discussion here in Europe.
And who knows, perhaps he was working for – and so, an agent of – MI5 (or MI6) and was rumbled? Maybe that’s the reason so many spooks seem to have flown down from Paris. To have taken his family with him to whatever meeting he might have been going to, he’d have had to have felt totally reassured that it was safe.
Peter from the description of AH ,I think that is extremely likely. ‘Cheeky chappie’ gets angry, arguments get very heated ,he brags about ‘knowing something etc.
Remember he posted a link to Assange on Hezbollah.
Shall look for that link.
“Both men regularly chatted on Skype and Gary recalls Saad recently replacing his profile picture from a photo of his eldest daughter to an image of a bearded Arabic leader.
In April he also posted a web link to an interview conducted by controversial Wikileaks founder Julian Assange with Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Hezbollah, the Lebanese terrorist organisation fighting against Israel.”
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-islamic-rants-1326315
Kenneth, I’m a stickler for using British English myself, to the extent that I’ve taken to changing as many zeds as I can to s’s, in a sort of pathetically ‘pioneering’ manner! However, even in British English, the ‘z’ usage is not wrong; it’s simply obsolescent in the UK, but normative in North America.
Suhayl.
Turn that around & think , perhaps AH took them with him because he thought they would be safer with him than left unprotected at the campsite.
Kenneth using your link above I get 167 photos.
This is as off-topic as it can get, but I am with the Oxford English Dictionary on that question 😉
The Feathermen…? Or, rather, the Featherman.
“… a bearded Arabic leader…” Do we know which one?
And posting a Julian Assange TV show (Russia Today?) link, mnn, Sweden again. Mind you, that’s a different thread on this blog, a place where, for example, the technical specifictions of condoms are being examined with the assiduousness of an electron microscope [joke].