My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
That link to Assange ‘conducting an interview Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Hezbollah ‘. Must have been to RT the Russian TV channel on which Assange had his own programme.
Sorry Suhayl, you beat me to it.
The beardie……Hassan Nasrallah, leader of Hezbollah ?
I think I can hazard a fairly good guess where those “twenty military types” came from. The HQ of the 27th Chasseurs Alpins, an elite unit, is about twenty kilometres away from the scene of the crime. As they train in that area, these guys will know every footpath in that region better than most. Moreover, the gendarmerie is a paramilitary force with close ties to the military.
To my mind, calling in a nearby army unit that is intimately familiar with the terrain would seem a sensible move on the part of the gendarmerie when faced with a violent crime of that nature.
Interesting: Deep Websites.
It has been downloaded two million times and not only hides the user’s identification but also the fact that you are using it at all.
The site even has an armour plated Land Rover for sale priced £4,245.44, and a jet. An advert for it reads: “The former Ministry of Defence 4×4 offers high protection at very close range – ideal for use in high-risk situations.”
But the deep web, especially the software required, can have a positive side in battles against totalitarian regimes. Activists and campaigners in countries from Syria to China can get their messages out without state security monitoring their activities and then arresting them.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/deep-web-drugs-guns-assassins-1337131
THIS WHOLE THREAD HAS GOT SERIOUSLY OUT OF CONTROL AND IS NOW HEADING FOR 5000 COMMENTS, IS THAT GOING TO BE A NEW RECORD FOR THIS SITE?
THERE SEEM TO BE SOME PEOPLE COMMENTING HERE WHO APPEAR TO HAVE FAR TOO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS, AND YOU KNOW WHO THAT MAKES WORK FOR. AND AS DAME EDNA USED TO SAY “SPOOKY” .
FOR WHAT ITS WORTH I DONT BELIEVE THE “EX RAF” GUY WAS PART OF THIS MURDER BUT AS ALWAYS LOOK WHO HAS MOST TO GAIN FROM THESE DEATHS AND WHO CARRIES OUT SUCH ASSASINATIONS WITHOUT FEAR OF THE ADVERSE PUBLICITY EVEN IF THE FINGER POINTS THEIR WAY. IT’S NOT ROCKET SCEINCE FOLKS.
COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum
Technique #1 – ‘FORUM SLIDING’
If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum – it can be quickly removed from public view by ‘forum sliding.’ In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to ‘age.’ Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a ‘forum slide.’ The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a ‘forum slide’ and ‘flush’ the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then ‘replying’ to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting ‘slides’ down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.
http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’
Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a ‘RESOURCE BURN.’ By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a ‘gossip mode.’ In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to ‘drive in the wedge.’ By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.
http://pastebin.com/irj4Fyd5
New technique, not on the list:
Associate the person you wish to “radicalise” with another known “radical”.
In this case, SAH and Assange.
Remember, the only source of SAH supposedly being radical is the well known government stooge Gary Aked, and reports in the Daily Mirror.
If anyone has any HARD EVIDENCE of SAH’s chatroom blogs, please post a link to the forum and his user id so we can all check for ourselves.
Otherwise, feel free to continue speculating wildly…
There was a good discussion last night, AFAIR, involving some uses of Hafnium, and speculations on how the hit might have gone down, if Mollier was actually in the car when he was shot.
That would explain why there is no blood on the ground where RAFman (BM) claims to have found him.
No time to do it all again now but scroll back up if you’re interested.
Some more “disinfo” being posted here… goodness, we’re having a field day, aren’t we!
“The twenty military types were not british” quote unquote
Intelligence officers from the British Embassy in Paris are said to have been at the scene of the murder hours after it happened.
They were tipped off by contacts in the French Interior Ministry as soon as the identity of the car’s owner was confirmed. According to the French TV station Demain, locals described embassy staff as being ‘military types’ and numbering around 20.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199670/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Was-hitman-Each-British-victims-shot-TWICE-cyclist-witness-FIVE-times.html
I think locals would have noticed if they were speaking English or French, and could tell the difference between Brits and their own!
“Not a professional hit” quote unquote
The fact that intense gunfire was heard for less than 30 seconds – and it was so brutally effective – strengthens the theory of experienced hit-men being responsible.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199670/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Was-hitman-Each-British-victims-shot-TWICE-cyclist-witness-FIVE-times.html
I’m sure the “reliable” Daily Mirror isn’t the only paper carrying these press release stories – as always Google is your friend. And don’t believe me or anyone else, check sources for yourself…
All very well. I may unwittingly have contributed to the ‘sliding’ – but I detect a contradiction in that you on the one hand urge us to aim for 6,000 postings, and on the other hand insist on top-notch research based material.
There seems to be only one way to remedy the situation, however, namely that serious posters come out in force.
Anyone owned up to “their” satellite coming (being brought ?) down yet ?
Any takers ?
I see no new news in the papers today, not even those rumours that were on twitter the other day alluded to earlier in this thread
@jon @mod
pls delete my two unmoderated posts
thanks
I think its fruitless to try and suggest that this or that poster is trying to divert a blog thread, unless someone is being hugely disruptive – and ther are Mods for that type of thing now on this blog. It risks actually exacerbating the diversion. Best simply to get on with the discourse, in my experience. We really don’t know what happened to the Al-Hillis and so it’s a fascinating discussion about what has been an awful tragedy.
New technique, not on the list:
Associate the person you wish to “radicalise” with another known “radical”.
In this case, SAH and Assange.
Remember, the only source of SAH supposedly being radical is Gary Aked who is very high up in a defence company and presumably has high security clearance. In my opinion, he is simply spouting the government line – or being reported as such.
So… if anyone has any HARD EVIDENCE of SAH’s chatroom blogs, please post a link to the forum and his user id so we can all check for ourselves.
Otherwise, feel free to continue speculating wildly…
There was a good discussion last night, AFAIR, involving some uses of Hafnium, and speculations on how the hit might have gone down, esp if Mollier was actually in the car when he was shot.
That would explain why there is no blood on the ground where RAFman (BM) claims to have found him.
No time to do it all again now but scroll back up if you’re interested.
Just wonder if this article and its links are not most relevant to Saad’s behavior – i.e., his seeking out Hezbollah’s Hassan Nasrallah who was in charge of ferretting out Sunnis in Lebannon and Shias in Iran, working for the CIA, to prove his bona fides to Tehran:
Lost in Corruption
Contents focused on Iranian vs. U.S clashes
Home: http://secure.cryptome.us
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22 September 2012
Undercover Agents in Iran
These links have been aired by Press TV. Iranian national TV or IRIB did not publish all of it due to potential damages to society. I suppose they thought by revealing vast American operation, Iranians may ask how come so many intellectuals accept to work with CIA?
I happen to know that the huge explosion near Qom, last year’s winter, which made a lot of headlines was the work of agents in this network. this network with more than 150 members has been dismantled by MOIS, the Ministry of Intelligence Service.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/185817.html
The operation was going on but since there was an infight inside the intelligence, the news leaked. So, judiciary asked how these arrests being made? So the intelligence had to go public and premature announce stuff.
A year later ABC from CIA officers sources confirmed that in Iran and Hezbollah many of their assets has been captured and they are doing a huge investigation to see what really happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSAbqQ71wpc&feature=autoplay&list=PL216874E068EEFAAD&playnext=2
Iranian Agents sold these items: details of energy network and electric grids, gas monitoring centers etc. How Iran’s international airport operate and what is its insecurities from an insider, deals about the finding of oil and gas in Iran with foreign companies.
There is clear faces of American officers in the Clips, plus the cover name and organizations they used. If anybody knows these people, its best first to stay away, and email us the circumstance. People close to this investigations are telling publicly that such screwup happened because of “poor trade craft”.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064286/CIA-spies-captured-Iran-Lebanon-Hezbollah-feared-executed.html
http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/middle-east/cias-lebanese-spy-network-exposed-despite-warning
Also see: http://www.biyokulule.com/view_content.php?articleid=3627
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Some more “disinfo” being posted here… goodness, we’re having quite a field day, aren’t we!
“The twenty military types were not british” quote unquote
Intelligence officers from the British Embassy in Paris are said to have been at the scene of the murder hours after it happened.
They were tipped off by contacts in the French Interior Ministry as soon as the identity of the car’s owner was confirmed. According to the French TV station Demain, locals described embassy staff as being ‘military types’ and numbering around 20.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199670/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Was-hitman-Each-British-victims-shot-TWICE-cyclist-witness-FIVE-times.html
Don’t you think the locals would have noticed what language the military types were speaking? Or their uniforms???
Shows we’re getting close now…
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It is funny as when I checked into SSTLs last launch it was shared with a number of companies and countrieso including Quietiq that handles all uk Secret service and military systems and also Iran, maybe this is a space war using Al-Hillis laser technology to bring down Iranian satelittes?
@Peter
23 Sep, 2012 – 10:30 am
Do pay attention Peter, those 20 miltary types were from the British Embassy in Paris.
Just scroll back up the thread, why don’t you?
We wouldn’t want to be misleading the forum here, would we?
@Rikki
Interesting… got any links for that?
Great BBC cover story, wasn’t it? Meteorite my ass!
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Talk about univestigative journalism… jeez…
Constant accusations of deliberate dissembling do more damage than good. It puts people off posting something which could be the smallest detail, but a vital link.
I suggest it stops & as Suhayl says, just ignore the uninteresting posts.
Ricky wrote:
Sure. “To bring down Iranian satelites [sic]” DOH!. and how many satellites does Iran have flowing around?
No, it is time to put Israel under administration by the international community. I’ve been saying this for a long time. The risc to the world when it governs itself is simply too great.
Yes it is a sad situation if many Jews will feel compelled to leave this the worlds last colony, when in a short time Israel is closed down, following the result of the vote, that is going to be conducted under the auspices of the international community in the land between the Mediterranean and the River Jordan, asking people there, how they wish to be governed.
@Mochyn69
‘MUST be… (by process of elimination) that SAH was a UK asset, and the UK didn’t know about the hit in advance.’
That’s what I’ve felt ever since the outset.
SAH could well be a British asset, and the best explanation is right at the top of this thread in CM’s piece ..
Maybe something was going down at the UK’s behest, “Saad,old boy, you’ve been busy lately, why don’t you take the family on holiday down to France, but we need something for anothe dodgy dossier, just meet this guy for us, maybe just swap your mountain bike for his, (they don’t tell him it’s loaded with zirconium bars, hell maybe even made out of zircaloy!?) Oh, and don’t worry, you’ll be perfectly safe ..we’ll send along RAFman to cover you .. ”
But the entity’s SIS pick up on this and think .. hell no, we’re not having this, we’ll take out another Arab scientist,send out another message as Bibi heads to NY, so pow, pow, pow! RAFman thinks “Oh bother. This is not good.” and scarpers.
If this scenario is in the least bit feasible, we would then have to ask how the entity’s SIS knew, which implies there is a sieve to Tel Aviv at the heart of the Circus.
If I’m wrong and I’m quite prepared to admit that I apologise to all, especially RAFman.
Katie, what do you think?
I agree in principle but I am doubtful they’d send SAH as a mere bagman… I think it must’ve been some sort of business which required someone with high technical know-how, otherwise they’d keep him safe and sound in the UK, surely?
@Kenneth Sorensen
Indeed, the photo you show on Icke, …4948 clearly shows someone on a mobile.
Where’s BM? Back for the reconstruction yet? It’s got to be on Crimewatch! BM’s story is pure BS.
@Orpheus
Okay, following up on the Hafnium thread. Let me set the scene here.
1) TI = Triggered Isomer Program
2) Didn’t the US just lose an advanced version of the following to Iran ?
3) Are they trying to work out how the hell it works ..or
4) Do they want to build more of them ?
Please read the below, I will be back online in around 8 hours. Sleep well all
The research done so far on TI reactor systems shows that it has the potential of being an enabling technology for aerospace propulsion (Hartsfield, 2001). Possible applications for atmospheric flight are numerous, including: highly maneuverable fighter/attack aircraft; long range cargo or passenger flight; long endurance intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) platforms; long endurance communication relay platforms; and very long range cruise missiles. Rocket propulsion could also be enhanced resulting in significantly lower launch costs and shorter trip times to other planets.
Of the possible aircraft missions, the benefits of extended endurance impact heavily on the ISR platforms… Many ISR aircraft fly at high altitudes to avoid surface threats and to allow larger area coverage. Slow flight allows for longer loiter times over the areas of interest. Both of these aspects of ISR platforms lower required thrust to maintain flight and make this mission ripe for TIHE application.
Due to radiation concerns, the first application of a TIHE powered jet engine will likely be on Unmanned Aerial Vehicles. In the case of HALE missions used in the ISR vehicles, this is advantageous since life support requirements become prohibitive very quickly due to mission duration and altitude.
With the selection of the HALE-UAV mission, it is important to note that such an aircraft has been recently produced and is flying operational missions. The Global Hawk aircraft, built by Northrop-Grumman for the United States Air Force, is the first High Altitude ISR UAV in production. The Global Hawk program started in 1994 as an Advanced Concept Technology Demonstrator and is currently completing its engineering, manufacturing and development phase (Air Combat Command, 2000). It has successfully been tested in action as part of the Department of Defenses Operation Enduring Freedom over Afghanistan.
Jane’s suggests that a more advanced unmanned vehicle, such as a twin-engine aircraft, will be favored for TI program over the Global Hawk (Jane’s, 2003).
Very interesting! Would be interested to hear how you feel this fits in to the murders of SAH/BM.
@ Mochyn69
Oh, but I do pay very close attention – and I do prefer to use my own brain rather rather than blindly rely upon the red-top media.
Using my own brain, I consider a journalist quoting another journalist quoting unnamed villagers not the most reliable of sources. All the more so because Demain itself is hardly the most credible of sources. Likewise, I wonder how those villagers would have identified those ominous “intellligence officers from the British Embassy in Paris” as such. Did they wear fluorescent jackets with the lettering “UK Intelligence”? Did they stop for a friendly chat with the locals and introduced themselves as UK intelligence based in Paris?
Believe so if you wish – I don’t. On the balance of probabilities (which is all that you or I have to go by here), I consider it much more likely that those “military types” really were military types, namely French soldiers from a nearby base.
No he was gunned down ether by Israeli nationals or by Balkans employed by said Israelis.
Israel is more and more becoming such a liability for everyone – and for all honest and peace loving men and women. Some say it is cruel when we in a short time are going to close this the worlds last colony down. But take it easy! There will be amble time to seek other pastures. Very many are likely to emigrate to The United States, many of them utilising the second passport that they had acquired just for the occasion.
I have spoken to many Americans over the years, and when this become the topic they all vehemently resist EVER taking in millions of Israelis.
Tough luck, mates, – but backing up this the worlds last colony since 1948 (just at a time when every one else were moving away from the very concept of colonies] naturally have a consequence, and many will feel it is just right that America lives up to its responsibility in this way.
@Katie
Constant accusations of deliberate dissembling do more damage than good.
It puts people off posting something which could be the smallest detail, but a vital link.
I suggest it stops & as Suhayl says, just ignore the uninteresting posts.
No thanks. Whenever people start a Forum Slide, Topic Dilution or any other well-documented diversionary tactic I will say so, and point any newcomers in the direction of resources to arm themselves in this information war.
So, on the contrary, I think that is an EXCELLENT use of this forum.
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@M69
Sorry, I didn’t get the italics quite right there. This is my response to your post from last night:
I agree in principle but I am doubtful they’d send SAH as a mere bagman… I think it must’ve been some sort of business which required someone with high technical know-how, otherwise they’d keep him safe and sound in the UK, surely?
@Katie
Why don’t you reply to M69’s question?