My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@M69
Yes, and was SM not originally identified as a metallurgist?
Yes, he was, in several places. Mention of it was suppressed in later reports though.
@Kenneth Sorensen
Iranian satellites are not that strong in either numbers or merit, and to proposing that a specific British person occuring in a current news story should have any role in it ,- is simply nuts.
Whoops! Touched a nerve there, did he?
Why is it “simply nuts” to suggest this?
And how many satellites do the Iranians have, exactly?
And what is their “merit” ie technical capacity?
I would have thought those kinds of details were highly classified, and not available to the average joe.
You seem very certain of your facts, though – perhaps you are not an average joe?
Hope you can clarify.
James! Good to have you back… Mind you, you sound like a completely different person to the one who was here a few days ago… are you the same person? Have you sobered up? Or undergone a complete personality change??? Maybe you’re just a different James, there are quite a lot of James’s in the world, after all…
@katie
Think about it, the hit does not look 100% professional
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Oh dear.
@suhayl
Peter, thanks very much. A very interesting theory – let’s see. Either/both Jihadists and the Pakistani ISI (which is their main backer) do work widely, as we know. The ISI in particular long have been operative in Central Asia and Chechnya and elsewhere, the Middle East, etc. – I’ve often referred to them as “the poor man’s MOSSAD”, but actually they are the most efficient part of the Pakistani state apparatus.
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Yes, and intimately linked with 911.
@peter
I think I can hazard a fairly good guess where those “twenty military types” came from.
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More incredible tosh.
It’s the same me.
I just look for what what is true.
..and not just accept “IT’S A CONSPIRACY” !
Like JFK, WTC7 and 7/7. This stinks of….we lies.
Why it happened, I have no idea.
But having read and posted on here…and rang a good deal of people…. I still don’t know, but the amount of “Hmmmms” is just tooooo many.
And Anders…don’t flatter ya self !
@Peter
That last article from the Standard is an instance of a journalist quoting another journalist quoting another journalist quoting the aforementioned villagers.
More UTTER TOSH© from our dear friend Peter.
Notice that his answer does not, in fact, address the question I was asking, although at first glance it seems like he did. (Nicely done, Peter.)
The problem Peter has, as can be seen from the exerpt below, is that it was not the villagers who said that Intelligence Officers had been sent from the British Embasssy in Paris, after being tipped off by the French Interior Ministry. (How would they know, after all?)
So that report must have come from somewhere else.
So from where? And why?
Peter instead takes the easy route and instead tries to discredit the locals as not being able to count to 20, nor recognise a military uniform when they see one, and/or not being able to distinguish English from French squaddies.
(A typical Straw Man attack, followed by a typical Straw Man response.)
Then he adds some nice-sounding rubbish about a unit of gendarmes situated nearby, and his opinion that it must have been them instead, and job done.
Peter, would you mind addressing the actual point, and stop patronising the locals? I’m sure they can count to 20, recognise gendarmes when they see them, and I bet they can tell the difference between French and English when they hear it being spoken.
Or perhaps you have a link to prove your rather fanciful theory of 20 gendarmes in military uniform being dispatched, in contradiction to the newspaper report?
Of course, you are entitled to your opinion – but Straw Man attacks are really just another insult to our intelligence.
Intelligence officers from the British Embassy in Paris are said to have been at the scene of the murder hours after it happened.
They were tipped off by contacts in the French Interior Ministry as soon as the identity of the car’s owner was confirmed. According to the French TV station Demain, locals described embassy staff as being ‘military types’ and numbering around 20.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199670/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Was-hitman-Each-British-victims-shot-TWICE-cyclist-witness-FIVE-times.html
OMG… Anders and me both used the word “tosh”, completely idependently! Now we’ll really have people saying we are one and the same… damn and blast… still at least I used a © and not an ™… phew… maybe that will save us the hassle of denying it again…
@ferret
@Katie
Constant accusations of deliberate dissembling do more damage than good.
It puts people off posting something which could be the smallest detail, but a vital link.
I suggest it stops & as Suhayl says, just ignore the uninteresting posts.
No thanks. Whenever people start a Forum Slide, Topic Dilution or any other well-documented diversionary tactic I will say so, and point any newcomers in the direction of resources to arm themselves in this information war.
So, on the contrary, I think that is an EXCELLENT use of this forum.
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Well said, if this is NOT pointed out – they win.
And another “question” if someone wants to help root…
Al Hilli’s “last activity” (as filed) was very little.
And yet the CEO of SSTL says he was “longterm”.
Stedman says he’s was rushing to “file” his VAT.
So he wasn’t PAYE.
So what’s he been doing ? SSTL ???
I’m not sure. I think that this is a lie to.
@ferret
Great work on pointing out the tecniques being used to destroy this thread, the main cuprits at the moment being Peter and Katie, with a few bit part players in the wings.
Some more “disinfo” being posted here… goodness, we’re having a field day, aren’t we!
“The twenty military types were not british” quote unquote
Intelligence officers from the British Embassy in Paris are said to have been at the scene of the murder hours after it happened.
They were tipped off by contacts in the French Interior Ministry as soon as the identity of the car’s owner was confirmed. According to the French TV station Demain, locals described embassy staff as being ‘military types’ and numbering around 20.
http:// .dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199670/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Was-hitman-Each-British-victims-shot-TWICE-cyclist-witness-FIVE-times.html
I think locals would have noticed if they were speaking English or French, and could tell the difference between Brits and their own!
“Not a professional hit” quote unquote
The fact that intense gunfire was heard for less than 30 seconds – and it was so brutally effective – strengthens the theory of experienced hit-men being responsible.
http:// .dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199670/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Was-hitman-Each-British-victims-shot-TWICE-cyclist-witness-FIVE-times.html
I’m sure the “reliable” Daily Mirror isn’t the only paper carrying these press release stories – as always Google is your friend. And don’t believe me or anyone else, check sources for yourself…
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It’s amazing how clueless Peter is, incredibly dim, he is only making things worse for his position the more he tries to divert the story away from a Mossad hit, the pair of them are probably Mossad sayanim doing the biz if you ask me.
@Anders
Thanks…
The conversation this morning which ended up being about beards, 4×4 adverts, and church attendance was, erm, absolutely and utterly INANE©!!!
🙂
@Kenneth
It all comes down to all honest and righteous men and women refusing to have anything more to do with Israel! It is simply too great a risk for the world to have these people governing themselves. Some say: O, it’s a pity, these people have suffered so much in the past. Excuse me! Nobody are proposing that a single hair will be curved on their heads. there will be amble time to seek new pastures. Everyone must accept that the Zionist dream was nothing but a dream, that has turned into a nightmare for the Palestinians. And the risk when this entity goes about deciding for itself is simply too great for the international community.
And take it easy! Nobody are proposing anything radical! There will be amble time to emigrate to The United States, for example, which undoubtedly will be the preferred destination for may
And how, exactly, would you propose implementing your solution for peace in the middle east?
Mind you, this is slightly off topic.
And maybe you should be careful of posting such an anti-zionistic rant on a public blog… I mean, look what happened to Al-Hilli… Eh Katie?
😉
Sorry, that should have been
@Kenneth
It all comes down to all honest and righteous men and women refusing to have anything more to do with Israel! It is simply
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example, which undoubtedly will be the preferred destination for may
And how, exactly, would you propose implementing your solution for peace in the middle east?
Mind you, this is slightly off topic.
And maybe you should be careful of posting such an anti-zionistic rant on a public blog… I mean, look what happened to Al-Hilli… Eh Katie?
😉
Hold on there Parky. Anders is still in the pub!! Check in later.
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How very DARE you!
Actually I have been thinking about the case all day and have boiled it down to two possibilities, for me.
Jesus, Mary and Joseph … it’s still going?
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To be be sure.
To be be sure.
To be be sure.
Guys and gals,
So what do we all make of the possible link between SM and « Solidarité et Progrès », Jacques Cheminade, Lyndon LaRouche, Sweden’s «Europeiska arbetarpartiet» (‘EAP’) and its current leader, Hussein Askary??
a veritable can of worms indeed.
I think I need a cocoa too, or a Stella!
LOL.
Lyndon LaRouche is as nutty as a fruitcake, but he does have some extremely valid points.
If this is the same Mollier family.
How did Sylvain’s father die? Suspiciously?
@M69
Could you pls spell it out for me? I didn’t follow that at all.
(Ferret: an animal of little brain, but not a little cunning.)
Thanks…
The conversation this morning which ended up being about beards, 4×4 adverts, and church attendance was, erm, absolutely and utterly INANE©!!!
===Should be===
INSANE©!!! 🙂
@Everyone
… and picking up from last night… if SAH is a UK asset, why would Mossad “off” him?
Surely the UK don’t want to help Iran’s nuclear ambitions?
@Jon/Mod
I just posted a message that got “awaiting moderation”. Twice. No links, no foul language, nothing untoward that I can see. What was it that got it stuck? Just curious, really…
@ Ferret … and picking up from last night… if SAH is a UK asset, why would Mossad “off” him?…….. Maybe alive then, a la Vanunu. Kidnapped and left France via the Isreali Helicopter at local airport (if that is still being postulated)
Felix 23 Sep, 2012 – 2:33 pm posted this:
‘Is this Sylvain Mollier – is he political?
http://solidariteprogres73.elunet.fr/index.php/tag/COMIT%C3%89%20DE%20SOUTIEN
Also mentions a Roger Mollier’
« Solidarité et Progrès » is the LaRouche party in France, as is «Europeiska arbetarpartiet» (‘EAP’) in Sweden whose current leader is one Hussein Askary, described as head of the Arabic Desk at Executive Intelligence Review magazine – a LaRouche publication.
@Jon
Thanks Jon, and yes, that’s the only explanation that makes sense to me at the moment, motive-wise.
Though it’s a lot harder to explain than a few inconsistencies in the mass-murder narrative…
I was hoping (against hope really) that someone could offer a motive for the Mossad murder theory (assuming SAH is a UK asset) but so far no one has come up with anything (at all).
The extraction motive is quite easy, though – say, for example, SAH has screwed Iran over (see below) and now they want to “off” him. MI5 warn him his life is in danger, hence his comment to neighbour about bullet proof vest. MI5 tell him to get ready to leave in a hurry, he makes visit to accountant to finalise affairs (aka “prepare emergency VAT return”) gets granny and departs for points south.
“Screwing over Iran” in this context could’ve been of course either feeding them duff info about say SILEX, or perhaps duff zirconium or hafnium, or pretending to help them while he was in Qom but in fact either sabotaging their kit or giving info to Mossad/CIA after the fact, to help them blow the power lines up – or some other scenario.
Bingo! I am excited. I found it!
http://pajani.bernard.over-blog.com/categorie-10792983.html
Check class ugine from 1957
Jean-claude mollier-carroz
Age fits.
Jean claude mollier, director of ISAE and french # 1 professor for aeronautics and laser beams (xray and microwave lasers)
There are most likely family links between sylvain and jean claude.
ISAE worked with SSTL on many projects. ISAE is controlled by french military (weaponry departement) and jean claude is the director and top scientist of ISAE.
And the we have his right hand scientist Ahmad Hayat who is Pakistani and who dreams of WW3 in pakistani blogs.
This is hot in my opinion and more thsn coincidence. Likely that is the reason why they dont tell too much about sylvain.
@Ferret 23 Sep, 2012 – 7:55 pm
That was in reply to yours.
There’s an interview with him here.
http://www.larouche.se/artikel/hussein-askary-on-the-background-of-the-conflicts-in-sudan
@M69
Thanks, was that for me?
If so, what’s the big deal about SM being involved in a fairly mainstream green/left local political party, with around 1000 supporters, with his name published on a public website…
Is there some nefarious connection I am too dim to spot?
The only thing I can think of that might be an eyebrow-raiser, is him working in a nuclear facility, while being an environmentalist. I know some people think nuclear energy is “green”, but they aren’t usually environmental activists!