My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@peter,
so, pere Roger dies, allegedly, a few days later on September 12. A big local figure in the local rugby club, but no mention elsewhere. Not an even more secret burial?? Who’s Sylvain’s mate Pascal who played Rugby with him? Pascal Poupelloz, a fireman from Albertville?
The Rugby connection is here
http://www.soua-rugby.fr/historique/
Strange that.
Strange that.
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An immediate death of someone who would know exactly what his son was working on? I don’t believe in coincidences, and thought, “well dodgy”, when I heard it.
So unless Pere was also extracted, it suggest real deaths…
Great work Bluebird! 🙂
EAP was fingered for the Olaf Palme assassination.
LaRouche and his organisation has a very’interesting’ history and is certainly not mainstream. Wikipedia for a quick overview.
For example ‘In 2002 LaRouche’s Executive Intelligence Review argued that the September 11, 2001 attacks had been an “inside job” and “attempted coup d’etat,” and that Iran was the first country to question it. The article received wide coverage in Iran, and was cited by senior Iranian government officials, including Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani and Hassan Rowhani. Mahmoud Alinejad writes that, in a subsequent telephone interview with the Voice of the Islamic Republic of Iran, LaRouche said the attacks had been organized by rogue elements inside the U.S., aiming to use the incident to promote a war against Islam, and that Israel was a dictatorial regime prepared to commit Nazi-style crimes against the Palestinians.’
There’s lots, lots more.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche
Found a french link regarding sylvain from 2008.
Apparently he was called “momo” by his friends. Ciuld somebody translate?
http://www.acafc.net/m/article-22606747.html
@Ferret 23 Sep, 2012 – 8:17 pm
Again, that’s in reply to you.
Brilliant, Bluebird.
Bingo!
history and is certainly not mainstream.
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Actually a very high proportion of the US public don’t believe the official USA.gov 911 FAIRYTALE ™
I think LaRouche is spot on.
PNAC wanted a “New Pearl Harbor” and they got it – of course 911 started the whole completely bogus “war on terror” against Alfred Kida, which were a CIA fomented and armed group from the very beginning, and are now actually *working* for the CIA in Syria and elsewhere.
@Bluebird 23 Sep, 2012 – 8:40 pm
It’s a step by step guide describing how Momo made his latest leather sheath for a hunting knife.
@ Ferret ”extraction motive”……….IF M.I advised SAH to take a hol/leave quickly/life in danger etc….would one rush off to accountant to sort out ones VAT? Unless SAH considered himself safe and this was a temporary measure and he would be returning.IF he was under advisement from M.I to flee Surrey home would M.I have provided protection ? Maybe…….[enter RAF man]…..However if he was fleeing/hiding how does Mollier fit in ?. Maybe UK suspected him of something and used the ‘panic’ and last minute visit to France because the wanted to see if SAH would contact anyone ? Maybe Mollier was ‘flushed’ out by SAH for a meet or exchange. If SAH knew he was not coming back would he have done his VAT? Some sort of double cross resulted.Hell I don’t know……they may have SAH and Mollier alive and well somewhere but I think SAH thought he was returning to Claygate.
Found another link.
Scroll down a bit for sylvain mollier.
My french is not perfect but does sylvain write in 2008 that he owns a browning, a kodiak magnum and a black widow sa3?
Are those weapons? Who is good enough in french. Anders, are those guns?
Thanks guys. Definitely not as mainstream as I thought, then, politically speaking. (Although Anders has a good point that more than 50% of the US population no longer believe the FAIRYTALE about 9/11.)
So… what does this open up?
SAH and SM working together on something to mess with TPTB?
eg helping Iran fight back against the New World Order?
Without MI5/MI6’s knowledge?
Hence, being taken out by Mossad?
Subsequent scramble of spooks from Paris, and extraction of Kidon team by chopper from Geneva?
General cover-up by both France and UK to conceal spook involvement, which would be embarrassing?
That would all FITZ, as Anders would say!
There is a Samoan Momo character in my book what I wrote (Ernie Wise) – I will not go into details here, but it’s not a very nice word! 🙂
Etymology
From Mandarin 魔 (mó, “demon”).
[edit]Noun
momo
monster, ghost
http://archasse.com/forum/index.php?/topic/17-clan-du-forum/
Sorry forgot the link. Here it is
Someone mentioned here Friday evening that the Red Sea was quiet,pleased to say that several ships moved south through Suez canal and into The Gulf of Suez in the last 24 hrs .
@bluebird
Browning = bow or handgun, SAS uses Brownings and H and K etc
the other two are bows
think it may have been an old browning bow
@Ferret 23 Sep, 2012 – 8:58 pm
Again, this from Wiki, sorry, I don’t usually cuite wiki, but it’s the best I can do at the moment
‘The group is known for its caustic attacks on people it opposes and former members. In the past it has justified what it refers to as “psywar techniques” as necessary to shake people up; Johnson in 1983 quoted a LaRouche associate: “We’re not very nice, so we’re hated. Why be nice? It’s a cruel world. We’re in a war and the human race is up for grabs.”[184] Charles Tate, a former long-term LaRouche associate, told The Washington Post in 1987 that members see themselves as not subject to the ordinary laws of society: “They feel that the continued existence of the human race is totally dependent on what they do in the organization, that nobody would be here without LaRouche. They feel justified in a peculiar way doing anything whatsoever.”[182]’
@BB
My French is quite good – what’s the link?
@Jon
IF M.I advised SAH to take a hol/leave quickly/life in danger etc….would one rush off to accountant to sort out ones VAT?
No but you might go there to finalise your business arrangements, telling them to make some shit up if anyone asks. Accountants are under client privilege, don’t forget, so he shouldn’t really have said anything about why SAH went to see him, as far as I know.
IF he was under advisement from M.I to flee Surrey home would M.I have provided protection ? Maybe…….[enter RAF man]
Agreed.
However if he was fleeing/hiding how does Mollier fit in ?
AFAIK no one has suggested him fleeing/hiding. Perhaps a deliberate meeting with SM to exchange/discuss something, perhaps a practice that’s been going on for some time. The comment from the neighbour about death threats could, in this scenario, have been “planted”.
Maybe UK suspected him of something and used the ‘panic’ and last minute visit to France because the wanted to see if SAH would contact anyone ? Maybe Mollier was ‘flushed’ out by SAH for a meet or exchange.
Fookin brilliant thinking, that. Quite possible…
If SAH knew he was not coming back would he have done his VAT?
See above – possibly a cover story.
Some sort of double cross resulted.Hell I don’t know……they may have SAH and Mollier alive and well somewhere but I think SAH thought he was returning to Claygate.
Hmmmm… it’s possible, but I think to base that solely on what what the accountant said would be somewhat flimsy…
Hey, hang on a mo – even if it WAS extraction, wouldn’t it make sense for it to be a surprise for SAH & family too?
Momo was apparently 35 years old in early 2004
http://archasse.com/forum/index.php?/topic/17-clan-du-forum/
making him perhaps about 44 now. Official sources relating to Ugine say he is 45.
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Bluebird
23 Sep, 2012 – 8:58 pm
They’re described as hunting bows. He likes to take his time when he’s stalking a prey .. and he likes beer, but not whisky!
Thanks guys. Definitely not as mainstream as I thought, then, politically speaking. (Although Anders has a good point that more than 50% of the US population no longer believe the FAIRYTALE about 9/11.)
So… what does this open up?
SAH and SM working together on something to mess with TPTB?
eg helping Iran fight back against the New World Order?
Without MI5/MI6′s knowledge?
Hence, being taken out by Mossad?
Subsequent scramble of spooks from Paris, and extraction of Kidon team by chopper from Geneva?
General cover-up by both France and UK to conceal spook involvement, which would be embarrassing?
That would all FITZ, as Anders would say!
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Completely agree. Will do a BACK TO BASICS ™ tomorrow, as am knackered now. Pretty much along those lines though, and my last ruminations a day or three ago. To keep it real real simple though, who have been extremely active in assassinating Arab scientists for quite some time now? France and UK are NATO, and both countries supported the Americans in Iraq I and II. We’ve moved on a bit now, and Hollande is in power, so dunno what the French reaction to an Israeli and/or (joint) America attack. America at the moment seems to be holding Israel in check, but for me that is all election posturing. I hear rumours of a possible Israeli attack on Iran during the election, when things will be in flux in the USA. So, we’ll see soon enough. At the top of the pyramid, the capstone, they are all on the same side anyway, all out to destroy Islam completely. That was the purpose of 911. At the moment it is only Islam that outlaws usury, and stands up to the Banksters, so they gotta go. It’s all in the PNAC document and all is going to plan so far for them, all the Arab countries toppling like dominoes…
@LOL SUBSTITUTE prey for women… 🙂
They’re described as hunting bows. He likes to take his time when he’s stalking a prey .. and he likes beer, but not whisky!
@M69
Ah, OK, I see, thanks for that… well, that opens up a whole RAFT of possibilities, then, doesn’t it?!?
Goodness.
Can anyone with good french get anything here? Is it the deputy mayor saying “rien etre vu ici”
Chevaline – homage to Sylvain Molliet (sic) Sept 8.
http://info.francetelevisions.fr/video-info/player_html/index-fr.php?id-video=GREN_1744999_070920121817_F3#navVdoPlayer
I’ve heard stories about the LaRouche mob being as brainwashed as the Scientologists, but I’ve never heard of either group carrying out hits on people…
And the death of Pere Sylvain? Sounds to me like tidying up loosed ends.
@Ferret………possibly a big suprise yes,but ‘belt and braces’…..all the family together(no one left behind) and the passports if they were not ‘planted’.Loose ends on Surrey tide up (accountant.)Safe passage promised……..just one final meeting with SM and gone, it’s done,a new start. Was SAH used to flush out SM? Maybe the ‘panic’ was pure BS to get SAH to rush things and compromise his usually private meets with SM and expose him. SM is ‘hit’ SAH and family vanish.
@Anders
OK then!
Look forward to your BTB tomorrow… I’m also knackered so will prob get an early night too…
BTW, does anyone else read anything in the eyes of the bow-hunting instructors at SM’s club?
http://www.acafc.net/pages/ACAFC_les_instructeurs_de_la_FFCA-336873.html
As I scrolled down, many days ago (prob the day after the shootings, or the day after that) I was struck by one overriding feeling… I won’t tell you what it was yet so I don’t cloud your judgement, but I’ll tell you tomorrow and see if anyone else got the same impression.
Doesn’t prove anything of course but might be something that leads somewhere – or not!
@BB
Still confused if you mean that “your” Mollier might be SM? Or a relative? Or what? Sorry if I’m being dim…
I mentioned the funeral of SM on Twitter,merely noting that I considered it a strange and rather quiet affair (6:30 pm Sun,etc)…I promptly recieved a message in my DM box from someone working at France 24,I have not clicked on the link because it is obviously malicious software.Classy.
@Felix
Has it 404’ed?
I get “La video n’est plus disponible”
🙁
More on LaRouche from the wikipedia article, again my apologies for the source but they are referenced.
‘The LaRouche campaign supported Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI). Dennis King wrote that LaRouche had been speculating about space-based weaponry as early as 1975. He set up the Fusion Energy Foundation, which held conferences and tried to cultivate scientists, with some success. In 1979, FEF representatives attended a Moscow conference on laser fusion. LaRouche began to promote the use of lasers and related technologies for both military and civilian purposes, calling for a “revolution in machine tools.”[91]’
Hmmmmmm …
Oops – any non-mod messages in here from Jon are from another Jon, for the avoidance of doubt. Damn, maybe I should change my handle, or set up an avatar!
@jon – request in a non-mod capacity, would you consider using a more specific handle? Appreciate it if you can.
” It’s all in the PNAC document and all is going to plan so far for them ”
PNAC folded in 2006. Their over optimistic ideas of what could be achieved by military action died in the bloody quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan, they lost credibility and died too.
With Islamic groups in the ascendency everywhere “Arab Spring” revolutions have taken place I would say the US is further from destroying Islam than it has ever been; if that indeed is it’s goal.