My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@Jon (Mod) Ha Ha sorry I should have noticed that,my apologies. Next time I log on I will be ‘jonny two jons’ or something.
@Ferret @ 7:57pm. We use an anti-spam plugin, which uses various metrics to guess whether an item is spam or not, including (I think) number of links and length of message. I am not sure if it learns from our manual corrections. I do mean to try a different anti-spam system, but as ever it is a question of time.
@jon – no worries 🙂
As of now.
@Ferret 23 Sep, 2012 – 9:30 pm
I’ll hazard a guess.
Paramilitaries? I saw these kind of military guys patrolling at CdG. Scary!
@Ferret 23 Sep, 2012 – 9:30 pm
And I have another idea. Let’s check back tomorrow.
Might explain a lot.
@M69
OK, nighty night then.
@Jon(ny 2 Jons)
Good theory… lost you though at the point where SM is hit and SAH & family are extracted… why hit SM but extract SAH et al? Wouldn’t SAH be guilty of feeding SM so be hit too?
@Jon (Mod)
Thanks for the explanation, appreciated.
@Kempe
Re Islam, I think the point is that countries which have had “arab spring” revolutions will be western-style democracies, with which the west can deal. They won’t use the Koran as the basis for their national state laws, so won’t be a threat to western interest-charging bankers – which is what the original poster was getting at, as far as I recall.
@M69
Sorry if that sounded a bit cold, I’m knackered and trying to post too quickly! Look forward to touching base tomorrow.
🙂
” It’s all in the PNAC document and all is going to plan so far for them ”
PNAC folded in 2006. Their over optimistic ideas of what could be achieved by military action died in the bloody quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan, they lost credibility and died too.
With Islamic groups in the ascendency everywhere “Arab Spring” revolutions have taken place I would say the US is further from destroying Islam than it has ever been; if that indeed is it’s goal.
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Tosh.
According to the home page of SM’s bow-hunting club, he is described as “Sylvain MOLLIER Mandeure (25)”. Assuming this is the right Sylvain Mollier of course (and we haven’t found any others) then WTF is that huge industrial plant just to the North of Mandeuere?
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Mandeure,+France&hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=47.452992,6.806545&spn=0.033952,0.055189&sll=47.468195,6.803112&sspn=0.033943,0.055189&oq=mand&t=h&hnear=Mandeure,+Doubs,+Franche-Comt%C3%A9,+France&z=14
His fellow instructor Christian POICHET live just on the other side of it, in Montbéliard…
From Google satellite view it looks like an open strip mine with large industrial buildings, possibly offices, a runway(?), and a, er… oval race track?
Could this be a particle accelerator?
Or am I adding 2+2=4.181?
” It’s all in the PNAC document and all is going to plan so far for them ”
PNAC folded in 2006.
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No it didn’t, the same players are still around, and if my maths are correct 2005 is five long years AFTER they got their “New Pearl Harbor” – which was of course 911 and the endless (purposely so) “war on terror” as per Orwell’s 1984 script.
PNAC is a long term Fabian goal, Project for the New American Century, so by my reckoning they have only just started and have 88 years to go.
Maths musn’t be your strong point, eh? 🙂
The PNAC plan was written in the 90s and it identified the so-called axis of evil countries, and those it still expects to take down Syria, Iran, et al.
Kemp, people are not stupid here, so please don’t be so condescending with all your pro antitruth and pro status quo disinformation propaganda, thank you.
Their over optimistic ideas of what could be achieved by military action died in the bloody quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan, they lost credibility and died too.
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Horse manure.
You’ll notice the USA never left Iran, and never will, they’ve built at least 13 bases there.
Afghanistan, they’ve re-opened the poppy fields and heroin is flowing again after the Taliban stopped it.
It’s all about: DOGGs
Dope
Oil
Guns
Gold
With Islamic groups in the ascendency everywhere “Arab Spring” revolutions have taken place I would say the US is further from destroying Islam than it has ever been; if that indeed is it’s goal.
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Bollocks, it is a Fabian plan and well on course for completion. The Arab Spring was paid for by the CIA.
Must.Try.Harder.
http://news.yahoo.com/iran-lawmaker-accuses-iaea-passing-nuclear-secrets-israel-120307502.html
It’s a replay of the prelude to the Iraq war when weapons inspectors were caught giving information to Israel.
And weren’t satellites destroyed in the prelude to Iraq as well?
@Anders
Kemp, people are not stupid here, so please don’t be so condescending with all your pro antitruth and pro status quo disinformation propaganda, thank you.
Well said
@Everyone
That industrial plant looks more like an automotive race/test track to me now, after closer inspection. (Going overboard with the particle accelerator theory!)
But no labels on Google Maps so unclear who/what it is.
@Ferret
About the satellites, not that I can recall but maybe someone else knows better.
@Ferret 10:18pm
I’m on the phone and can’t check but could it perhaps be the remains of one of the largest Roman amphitheatres in the world??
http://www.ville-mandeure.com/theatre-romain/theatre-romain-22.html
See also Wikipedia for Mandeure.
@P_
No, but that’s a f***ing lovely amphitheatre they’ve got there!
Michael Meacher has an excellent hour long video on YouTube discussing the PNAC and 9/11. It’s a few years old but worth a watch.
Still reading through today’s comments…
Found it!
It’s Peugeot…
The main manufacturing plant of the Peugeot automobile company is partly located in Montbéliard and has around 20,000 employees. In the area the automotive industry accounts for 34,000 employees in more than 100 companies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montb%C3%A9liard
(Thanks, P_, for the idea to google the nearest big town’s name – Montbéliard. Bit of a “doh” moment when I realised I’d never thought of doing that before!)
Incidentally, this just goes to show how small an employer like Cezus actually is, relatively speaking.
This is relevant when considering the probability of meeting a Cezus employee by “random chance” as we discussed some time back, regarding the idea that SAH and SM were shot coincidentally, rather than at a prearranged meeting.
Anyhow, panic over…
Odd to me that SM lived almost 4 hours away by car from where he was supposed to have worked, at Cezus Ugine…
” It’s all in the PNAC document and all is going to plan so far for them ”
PNAC folded in 2006. Their over optimistic ideas of what could be achieved by military action died in the bloody quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan, they lost credibility and died too.
With Islamic groups in the ascendency everywhere “Arab Spring” revolutions have taken place I would say the US is further from destroying Islam than it has ever been; if that indeed is it’s goal.
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Good chopper landing site?
Michael Meacher has an excellent hour long video on YouTube discussing the PNAC and 9/11. It’s a few years old but worth a watch.
Still reading through today’s comments…
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That guy has my huge respect!
@Ferret
“Odd to me that SM lived almost 4 hours away by car from where he was supposed to have worked, at Cezus Ugine…”
But don’t forget his new partner had a pharmacy in the village where they lived.
Good chopper landing site?
Yeah, could be – plenty of tarred surfaces, probably deserted most of the time…
That guy has my huge respect!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3BEJ7mGKvw
I just posted a perfectly simple reply to ferret and it is awaiting moderation. Why?
Jon said earlier (when I asked the same question) they have a spam filter which is a bit temperamental. Try re-phrasing and posting again?
@Blue Bear
Just watched.
Big up Mr Meacher!
🙂
@Ferret
“Odd to me that SM lived almost 4 hours away by car from where he was supposed to have worked, at Cezus Ugine”
Maybe because his new partner owned the pharmacy in the village where they lived?
Ferret
It was along the lines of he lived in that village as his wife owned the pharmacy there.
It’s the only video I’ve found that gets (normal) people to start thinking that the official story might not be correct.