The Al-Hilli Conundrum 6629


My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.

Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.

In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.

My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?

Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:

From Janesmith101

All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.


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  • Ferret

    Gah!!!

    Same thing happened to me earlier on – I tried 3 times and gave up. Eventually wrote a very shortened form which got through.

    Hopefully yours will arrive tomorrow morning and I’ll answer it then.

    Goodnight!

    🙂

  • Ferret

    Just saw this…

    Iran nuclear: Germany’s Siemens denies sabotage claim

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19690774

    The Iranian accusation raises some intriguing questions, says the BBC’s Steve Evans in Berlin.

    They include, he says:

    Has the Iranian MP simply got it wrong?
    Is Iran buying Siemens equipment through a third party?
    Is there something more underhand going on, with sabotaged equipment being sold with the secret approval of Western intelligence agencies?

  • Ferret

    In the latest allegations, Mr Jahangirzadeh was quoted by Iran’s English-language Press TV as saying: “[Yukiya] Amano’s repeated trips to Tel Aviv and asking the Israeli officials’ views about Iran’s nuclear activities indicates that Iran’s nuclear information has been disclosed to the Zionist regime and other enemies of the Islamic Republic.”

    Connection?

    Really really gotta go to bed now…

    🙂

  • bluebird

    @ferret

    Of course “my” mollier is jean claude mollier and he is not sylvain. However, i found a link with that picture of a school class from 1957 in Ugine where we find jean claude mollier. Does Ugine ring a bell?

    The fact that they are most likely relatives is not very exciting since most people have relatives, however, jean claude mollier is director of ISAE. ISAE links to our SAH because they make common projects with surrey satellites. Does that ring a bell?

    J.c.mollier is top specialist for microwave, nuclear and optical laser technology.
    So there we have the first realistic link between sylvain mollier and SAH.

    Perhaps SAH worked for surrey satellites on a common program with ISAE because there were many such programs. So he should know jean claude mollier who apparently is a relative of sylvain.

    Since ISAE is a military organisation under the government of french army (weaponry departement) it is logic that they dont want to have a link in media to j.c.mollier and that sylvains live is kept secret.

    Right hand of j.c.mollier in most laser projects was Ahmad Hayat from Pakistan who lives in Toulouse and works for ISAE and for the toulouse university.

    I posted a link from this guy that i found on a pakistani forum where he writes about world war 3 and he hoped for a better life for muslims after that war. He obviously was seeking for a war.

    Not unlikely that SAH knew that guy as well.

    However, j.c.mollier is the first reasonable link between sylvain mollier and SAH.

    ISAE is a pretty secret science institute working for french military and on joint operations with the uk and many other countries in satellite, laser technology and nuclear technology. Coincidence?

    Hayat also mentioned on the pakistani board a nuclear business in dubai where areva is trying to get the contract although south korea is offering for half the price. He is talking about french politicians and arabs being bribed. Doesnt have SAH or his wife perhaps old links to dubai? That is a business contract for 40 (american) billion dollars about nuclear reactors. Lots of money!

  • anders7777

    They include, he says:

    Has the Iranian MP simply got it wrong?
    Is Iran buying Siemens equipment through a third party?
    Is there something more underhand going on, with sabotaged equipment being sold with the secret approval of Western intelligence agencies?

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    If I were a western spook I’d be doing the same. Another fukushima on the cards.

  • Ricki Tarr

    Nuclear & satelittes both point me to thinking this is something to do with Iran and the imminent attack from Israel/US, before a strike you have to take out their defences and weak points in their technology!

  • anders7777

    Yeah but you are Anders, the bad boy of the forum!

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    Lol

    I always thing, oh dear, ive upset the m ods again ! 🙂

  • anders7777

    Nuclear & satelittes both point me to thinking this is something to do with Iran and the imminent attack from Israel/US, before a strike you have to take out their defences and weak points in their technology!

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    Iran has masses of sunburst missiles which USA aegis shop systems cannot defend against. Russian made. I personally think if Israel attacks there will be some nasty surprises for them, not least Russia and china getting involved.

  • bluebird

    @ferret

    I sent you an answer regarding jean claude and sylvain mollier. It is still awaiting moderation.

  • Ricki Tarr

    Well Sats that can look through cloud or weather should give them a better idea with the help of good old SSTL!

  • jonny 2 jons

    Andrew Mitchell MP posted this on twitter 45mins ago. Oh, and while I have the conch (my phone is unplugged and off) Julian Assange will be taken from the Ecuador Embassy tomorrow morning.#voila

  • Jon (Mod)

    Kathy, dunno why those two comments were auto-moderated – apologies. I can only think that you posted many items in a short space of time, or that it considered the items too short! I will see if I can get some time to try a new anti-spam approach, since the existing system is a pain occasionally.

    As of this posting, all items in the queue are released.

  • anders7777

    You had me going there for a minute Jon x 2, lol! 🙂

    We are approaching 2012 Mayan McKenna zero point / a LOT of groups IMHO are plotting their scams to coincide…

    It is not a case of what WE believe in

    It is what THEY believe in

  • kathy

    Jon (Mod)

    Must have been too short then as I only posted one other comment. Thanks anyway and no need to apologize.

  • tony roma

    remember the possible dodgy zirc alloy that was meant to fail?

    Siemens was reponsible for “implanting tiny explosives inside equipment the Islamic Republic purchased for its disputed nuclear program. Prominent lawmaker Alaeddin Boroujerdi said Iranian security experts discovered the explosives and removed them before detonation, adding that authorities believe the booby-trapped equipment was sold to derail uranium enrichment efforts. “The equipment was supposed to explode after being put to work, in order to dismantle all our systems,” he said.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2012-09-22/iran-accuses-german-siemens-sabotaging-its-nuclear-plant-turkey-sends-heavy-weapons-?page=2

  • Guy_Fawkes2010

    @Q

    Good to get those satellites in place in time for Yom Kippur, does anybody know what the lifespan of these femto sats are ?

  • Q

    @Guy_Fawkes2010:

    I’m not sure of the lifespan of the femtosatellite, which uses the femtocell, as in mobile phone. This type of satellite is used in clusters. It’s starting to sound like Dr. Who’s cubes.

  • Q

    The satellite launch on September 13, 2012 had been delayed for a week:

    http://www.space.com/17587-spy-satellite-nrol-36-launch-photos.html

    That would mean it was supposed to launch on September 6, 2012, if the information is correct. That is most curious timing. Why the delay: weather, technical difficulties or something else?

    Just putting this out there for your scrutiny. The number of earthbound satellites in the past year has also captured my curiosity.

  • anders7777

    I see the apparently bizarre satellite stuff of late, and the link with SSTL, and mergers, and so on. The attack on Iran IMHO seems imminent. What I don’t see is why the offing off Sylvain and SAH (not forgetting the unfortunate father)? As in, whatever they know or knew, past tense, will have had a lead time? As in, what did they know that could FUBAR an attack on Iran? Perhaps they knew something which could neutralise enemy satellites, from IRAN’s POV?

    Q, again, what are you getting at please?

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