My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
u take me a little too seriously.
But if your body was found somewhere who would identify it?
The mayor??? Never.
Next of kin. Yes, his wife. Too upset maybe.
Perhaps Mrs Mollier wanted no part in the charade going on and refused.
Next door neighbour? Possibly.
Work colleague?
His ex-wife?
How far down this list would the mayor be?
To answer your question, I dont know her name and cant remember seeing it. All we know is that he had 3 children, 2 of which were from his first marriage.
Chevaline is 12 miles from Ugine so would rule Didier out.
Ugine has a population of 7037 (in 2007)
http://www.map-france.com/Ugine-73400/population-Ugine.html
Defies belief. Could be anybody. But no Sylvain’s name comes straight out in early reports!! Who fed that information???
@Bluebird
However, i dont speculate about “who did it” simply because i dont care.
OK, that’s fine with me. I thought your original post implied there was a bribery motive but clearly I misread it, my apologies.
I am trying to find connections between the links we already know.
OK, thanks – your contributions are gratefully received.
A question, if I may? What have you managed to turn up on Sylvain Mollier? So far, all we have (I think) is that he supposedly worked at Cezus/Areva in Ugine, had a girlfriend (we know her profession) and a new baby, an ex-wife and two kids from the marriage.
And we know there’s a Sylvain Mollier on the internet who’s a bow-hunting instructor who lives in Mandeure, 175 miles from Ugine.
Is this our man? And do we know anything else?
Re Mollier’s girlfriend, I believe someone on this thread already posted what they thought was her name, because of the connection with her profession. I won’t put that in this post because the spam filter will hold this message up, hopefully you know what I’m talking about.
So search back on this thread would be my advice.
@bluebird 08:56am
It’s in this thread somewhere. Cannot check as on phone but Claire Schutz comes to mind. Possibly Schultz. I think she is his partner (compagnon) not wife.
Her profession was a pharmacist, she was reported to run the pharmacy in the town/village where they lived.
Bet this post gets caught in the spam filter for the word “pharmacist”!
[Mod/Jon: yep, and that may well be why!]
That bow-hunting instructor is the wrong guy – and not a happy bunny 😉
There is news, though: http://www.people.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/2012/09/23/al-hilli-killers-travelled-from-britain-for-organized-hit-102039-23927944/
Detectives probing the quadruple slaying are now convinced Saad, 50, was tailed to Annecy and gunned down in an organised hit, believed to be linked to a bitter family dispute. (…) The source added: “We are confident this was an orchestrated killing, and that Saad had been in a serious dispute with relatives. We believe this goes far deeper than the apparent dispute with his brother over their late father’s will.” (…) The insider went on: “We have established that he had told several people he was scared – in fact he was in fear for his life.”
I thought it sounded like Mollies work: (from David Icke)
Originally Posted by molliemallone
Could quite get into this sleuthing malarky!
Whilst looking on this website http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=dis…/6/12538/19248
I followed a link to a french blogger http://www.marilynztomlins.com/artic…lvain-mollier/ and an article about the forgotten victim, the French cyclist!
Stay with me!!! Copied from the blog…. “An employee with the company Crezus which supplies equipment to nuclear power plants, he was on maternity leave: in June he had become the father of a little girl. His companion is the local chemist. He also has two children of 9 and 7 from a previous relationship.”
I then googled ‘Ugines pharmacie mollier’ and found this link…
http://translate.google.co.uk/transl…ed=0CCcQ7gEwAA which says the pharmacy is in Grignon.
Some more help from google reveals a link to the French equivalent of companies house (I guess) which lists Claire Schutz as the owner of the pharmacy. A quick look on Facebook reveals Claire Schutz, http://www.facebook.com/claire.schutz including on her friends list Mathis Mollier, Sabrine Mollier, and Christophe Mollier le Tret.
Must be the partner of Sylvain Mollier wouldn’t you say? Especially as she uploaded pics of her new baby in June!
I then googled ‘Ugines pharmacie mollier’ and found this link…
http://translate.google.co.uk/transl…ed=0CCcQ7gEwAA which says the pharmacy is in Grignon.
Some more help from google reveals a link to the French equivalent of companies house (I guess) which lists Claire Schutz as the owner of the pharmacy. A quick look on Facebook reveals Claire Schutz, http://www.facebook.com/claire.schutz including on her friends list Mathis Mollier, Sabrine Mollier, and Christophe Mollier le Tret.
Must be the partner of Sylvain Mollier wouldn’t you say? Especially as she uploaded pics of her new baby in June!
From Anders, quoting Molliemalone, 17 Sep, 2012 – 3:35 pm.
Good memory P_!
I then googled ‘Ugines pharmacie mollier’ and found this link…
http://translate.google.co.uk/transl…ed=0CCcQ7gEwAA which says the pharmacy is in Grignon.
Some more help from google reveals a link to the French equivalent of companies house (I guess) which lists Claire Schutz as the owner of the p******. A quick look on Facebook reveals Claire Schutz, http://www.facebook.com/claire.schutz including on her friends list Mathis Mollier, Sabrine Mollier, and Christophe Mollier le Tret.
Must be the partner of Sylvain Mollier wouldn’t you say? Especially as she uploaded pics of her new baby in June!
From Anders, quoting Molliemalone, 17 Sep, 2012 – 3:35 pm.
Good memory P_!
Claire S c h u t z as the owner of the pharmacy
… in Grignon.
Some more help from google reveals a link to the French equivalent of companies house (I guess) which lists Claire Schutz as the owner
From Anders, quoting Molliemalone, 17 Sep, 2012 – 3:35 pm.
Good memory P_!
Peter,
How do you know for sure its the wrong Sylvain?
We never knew for sure that it was the right one. I found the photo on the hunting website initially and said is this him?
What of the possibility the lack of photos is because the Mollier family & partner [ she wasn’t a wife] being a potential target ?
I see the unsolved murder of Xavier Baligant last summer, says he was also a pharmacist.
” According to TV channel M6, he had been shot a total of five times, once in the head.
“The way he was killed suggests a contract killing,” according to the channel’s report which cited a source close to the inquiry.”
http://www.thelocal.fr/page/view/612
@ Straw44berry
His mobile and his landline telephone numbers are listed on the hunting website.
This appears to be her:-
http://copainsdavant.linternaute.com/membre/12842817/1045513060/claire_schutz/
Posters hoping to learn anything really substantial here on the killings of al-Hilli et al. should expect little since the media and other posters are apparently only talking about false leads – especially what the protagonists in the Iranian conundrum are providing.
Tehran seems only understandably interested in claiming what outsiders, especially the IAEA and Siemens, have allegedly been up to – i.,e., finding sites where it might well be enriching uranium, and then blowing them up – while the West is unwilling to supply any real leads about these claims and what might be behind them.
In all this, there are only the vaguist allusions to SSTL, cryosat satellites, and what al-Hilli et al.may have contributed to finding the suspected sites, and helping destroy them when kicking off a showdown with Tehran.
We even have loony conspiracy theorist Jim Fetzer et al., claiming that it will start tomorrow with an Israeli sub sinking the American carrier Enterprise!
Who was is who said that the gods make people blind before destroying them?
That’s SM’s partner, I believe
http://copainsdavant.linternaute.com/membre/12842817/1045513060/claire_schutz/
@ Straw44berry
Snap.
@Ricki Tarr 24 Sep, 2012 – 9:22 am
Yes,indeed.
My thoughts, if Chevaline had gone according to the ‘official’ plan, maybe it had been designed to provide the smoking gun evidence ahead of Bibi’s visit to the US, and the forthcoming UNSC meeting. ‘Intelligence sources have revealed .. known links to radical left wing organisations .. verified by France and the UK .. bla, bla, bla..’
Maybe the entity’s SIS read the chatter and took it for the real thing, so dispatched a hit squad or a proxy on their behalf, just in case.
Which is very much what CM says at the head of this thread. So are we really that much further forward?
So Peter did you phone him?
How do you know it his him or isnt him?
OK excellent sleuthing by all!
I still say everything that goes on in the world revolves around my quartet, and that includes this case too.
Guns – i.e. .milsat knowledge
Oil – i.e .nuke knowledge
DOGG
DOPE: the drugs trade, big pharma etc
OIL: oil, nuke energy, free energy etc
GUNS: all .mil stuff
GOLD: the financial system, enslaving countries (and people) via usury, controlling economies
Anyhoos after near 7k posts I am boiling this down to two possibilities
1. A Mossad hit
2. An extraction
3 covers both 1 and 2 = a psyop = FAIRYTALE ™
And we are definitely witnessing a very Machiavellian charade play out
ERGO
They are doing it for a reason
ERGO
1 or 2
Peter/Straw, I’m pretty sure the large photo I posted pages ago of a Sylvian Mollier,is not him, it makes no sense for that chap to travel almost 300 KM to give instruction.
@straw44berry – your post at 9:56 contains three broken links, presumably because it was copied and pasted from elsewhere. If it has an ellipsis in it (…) then copy the link separately. Would you repost those links please?
kk Jon, sorry
Link 1:
http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=displaystory;sid=2012/9/6/12538/19248
I didn’t phone him myself, but I know a journalist working on this story who did (and apparently, they *all* did, because they are all desparate to get hold of a photo of the real SM)
Link 2:
http://www.marilynztomlins.com/articles/chevaline-the-forgotten-victim-sylvain-mollier/
Link 3:-
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.lejsl.com/actualite/2012/09/07/sylvain-mollier-un-pere-de-famille-savoyard&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dugines%2Bpharmacie%2Bmollier%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26prmd%3Dimvns&sa=X&ei=6rRQUKm9HKnU4QSg74DgAw&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAA
Katie,
Not likely to travel that far regularly unless maybe his ex-wife and 2 kids live in the Mandeure area. You cant rule it out – yet.
@Anders
Time for you to spill the goods on THF?
@Peter
Interesting article. Strange that it doesn’t even mention Sylvain Mollier… not even once. It’s almost as if he’s being airbrushed out, as he doesn’t fit neatly into the “brother-did-it-over-inheritance” theory, which the mainstream media’s been pushing for some time now. Also no mention of the “islamic chat room” scenarios, presumably for the same reason?
Seems like an article designed to lead he reader to one, inevitable conclusion, through the selective use of facts.
@THF
In all this, there are only the vaguist allusions to SSTL, cryosat satellites, and what al-Hilli et al.may have contributed to finding the suspected sites, and helping destroy them when kicking off a showdown with Tehran.
Satellites have been kicked around here quite a few times as a possible motive, scroll back up a bit for various posts on this subject, which it looks like you must have missed.
As you seem to think that Al-Hilli et al were involved with identifying suspected sites in Iran, to help Israel/USA destroy them, are you saying you think that Iran found out, and offed them?
And what makes you so sure it was a satellite connection, rather than a nuclear one? Surely both are possible?
In all this, there are only the vaguist allusions to SSTL, cryosat satellites, and what al-Hilli et al.may have contributed to finding the suspected sites, and helping destroy them when kicking off a showdown with Tehran.
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At Trowbridge
The above, equally SAH may have agreed to help the Iranians at his pilgrimage to Qom, and was supplying them with all the cryosat juice on Israel and its defences, nuke sites, planes, tanks, army, subs, the lot. So a huge motive to take him out.
A big if, IF SAH really did have advanced cryosat knowledge that perhaps no-one else had, then an extraction by SIS and/or CIA to protect him from Mossad/MKO, whilst tapping his brain, willingly or unwillingly.
Remember – they have his children being watched round the clock, and they are essentially hostages in this scenario.