My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
@ferret
Holding my ACES for now 🙂
Are you going to spill the beans on James’ tell? 🙂
Âgé de 45 ans, Sylvain Mollier était père de trois enfants : deux d’un premier mariage, et un bébé qu’il venait d’avoir avec sa nouvelle compagne, pharmacienne à Grignon, commune voisine d’Albertville. Employé chez Cézus, usine du groupe Areva à Ugine, d’où est originaire sa famille, Sylvain Mollier était actuellement en congé parental.
At 45 years old, Sylvain Mollier was the father of three children: two from his first marriage, and a baby he had had with his new companion, the Pharmacist at Grignon, a town near Albertville. Employed at Cézus, an Areva group factory in Ugine, where his family is from, Sylvain Mollier was currently on parental leave.
http://www.republicain-lorrain.fr/actualite/2012/09/07/le-cycliste-etait-pere-de-trois-enfants
So… the bow-hunting Sylvain Mollier from Mandeure (about 180 miles from Grignon) is, I think, highly unlikely to be our man.
Has anyone thought more about who the Older woman could be ?
What if there are no photos because she was known is Iraq, why did she go to Sweden, could she have been living under a new ID, could revealing her Identity be harmful to the two girls…… could this woman be one of Saddam’s widows ?
Yes that’s possible Peter, maybe that’s the area he used to live in too ?
Has anyone thought more about who the Older woman could be ?
What if there are no photos because she was known is Iraq, why did she go to Sweden, could she have been living under a new ID, could revealing her Identity be harmful to the two girls…… could this woman be one of Saddam’s widows ?
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Must be the blonde from ABBA.
@Anders
Holding my ACES for now
OK, got it.
Are you going to spill the beans on James’ tell?
OK OK…
🙂
James changed his posting style dramatically yesterday after some days of (almost) complete absence, dropping all his usual typos and general sloppiness. He actually started posting things in proper English with capital letters and proper sentences, with clauses, and punctuation! Woo hoo.
When I said yesterday “welcome back, but you sound like you’ve had a complete personality change, what’s happened, are you the same person” he replied quite quickly to say that he *was* the same person, but the “tell” was that in his reply he had suddenly and inexplicably changed his style back to match that of the “old” James, typos and sloppiness included.
BUSTED!!
😀
I can’t believe he fell for it as Anders posted exactly the same “tell” on someone else earlier on this exact same thread.
Did anybody else spot it?
Must be the blonde from ABBA
ROTFL
😀 😀 😀
@ferret
You got it ref James!!!!! Couldn’t keep in character, lol!!! 🙂
BUSTED 🙂
No Sylvain Mollier born in France between 1957 and 1977 (per Ancestry) or even an S.Mollier.
Not that one Anders, but wife number 2 was blonde & shopped him , sounds like she wrapped old Sadders around her little finger.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1041701/posts
@Moch I dont think we can be further forward without Telephone records, movements, connections, what these people actually did for a living………………….I really think that that everyone here has done extremely well with very very limited information and it may have given us a freedom to explore what we could!
I think people should be proud of what we have discovered and if you look back through these pages we have covered a lot of ground which may leave us feeling we havent achieved anything but we really have and everyone has contributed. Im sure the Police and the media have been in here lurking and have probably used our information or at least explored it!
This is the first stop for people interested in this case and I think people that even the no posters have enjoyed reading this and gives them a release to explore the story.
With the lack of news and information we mustnt give up on this but keep the momentun going, there a lot of gaps in this case and the players that are involved in it! there are connections that we may have laready uncovered and new ones lurking around the corner with each peice of information released!
We are the music-makers, And we are the dreamers of dreams!
No Sylvain Mollier born in France between 1957 and 1977 (per Ancestry) or even an S.Mollier.
Weird.
“Our” Sylvain Mollier was supposed to have been born in 1967, hence aged 45.
How exhaustive is Ancestry, does it list everyone born from French records, or is it just what people put up there?
See that Anders has completely forgotten about squeezing my balls until their pips squeak, and it is just as well as I am no fruad, liar, cheat or bet welcher – what his like-minded colleague (sock?) jamtjim has made an avocation of claiming about me on the Swedish site, The Local.
Have read everything on this site as well as I can about the new radar satellites, especially what SSTL has supplied the ESA with, cryosat-2, and only mine talk about their real capability – i.e., discovering where unknown underground facilities can be discovered 24/7, even when the skies are continually cloudy.
This capability would change Iran’s whole protective scheme for them, especially having missiles to shoot them down if they started zeroing in on some new underground facility.
The West has used all kinds of expedients to prevent such developments – e.g., kidnapping and assassinating suspected arms dealers and scientists involved, using sanctions of all kinds on getting essential equipment,issuing continuing scares about what Tehran would do if it ever becomes a nuclear weapons state, causing viruses and earthquakes to shut down equipment, facilities and test sites, etc., ad nauseam.
If al-Hilli could provide convincing evidence of what these radar satellites are accomplishing – what he seems to have gone to most risky lenghts to establish his credibility for – London, Washington, and Paris would have gone to the greatest lenghths to prevent and cover up – what they seem to have done in all respects, especially the continuing flood of disinformation about it all.
Thanks peter.
At first i found that claire schutz does perform archery. Coincidence?
Well, i guess that the archery teacher is in fact our sylvain mollier, otherwise the coincidence would be too stupid.
http://manduel.blogs.midilibre.com/apps/m/archive/2011/05/21/tir-a-l-arc-deux-titres-de-plus.html
I hope finding more by using her name as a link towards sylvain mollier.
Ferret,
I have no French ancestry so no knowledge of how complete/reliable the French records are. I found it hard to find any Mollier birth records anywhere. Odd I thought for a relatively common French(so we were told)
With Mollier my mind keeps coming back to the chain around his neck with the key and silver oval with two figures in it? has to be a clue! either religious or rep’s something he believes in! definatley french in design I think!
Also on the ariel pic of the car is that Mollier’s cap on the passenger side dash? bent peak same style?
Any chance of finding Sylvain / Saad / Brett here?
http://scobe.albertville.free.fr/phpBB3/
Claire Schutz has it on her page.
Saad was wearing a skiing sweatshirt in that early photo with Gary Aked.
@Bluebird
You’ve got the wrong Claire Shutz there me old chum. The link you posted is an article from 2011 about three kids’ teams. If you enlarge the tiny photo you can make out that they are actually children, not grown people.
Claire Shutz, Sylvain Mollier’s girlfiend, is 29.
In any case, even if she were into archery (of which there’s no proof) I expect she could find an archery instructor closer to home than 150 miles away. And there’s no reason to assume he/she would have to be called Mollier. Or Sylvain.
2+2=4.181?
“Our” Sylvain Mollier is down on the list of Ugine residents who supported that rather “out there” political party. And there’s references to his dad, and his rugby playing days, before he switched to cycling. Other than that, he’s a very shadowy figure, web-wise.
Seems like an article designed to lead he reader to one, inevitable conclusion, through the selective use of facts.
There is no *dominant narrative* being propagated by the media. On the contrary, those “sources close to the enquiry” leak a completely new angle every day to selected journalists. Funnily enough, the only place where there is a concerted attempt to promote a dominant narrative and shout down dissenting voices is in this very thread. You know who you are, CAPSLOCK7777 and His Master’s Ferret.
To my mind, the dearth of solid information and the astounding variety of stories being leaked to the media means that the police are working, and have been working from the start, on a particular angle that they are not sharing with the media. 1. They said very early on that at least one occupant of the BMW must have had links to intelligence or organized crime. I have no idea what they found in that car, but they must have found something on the AHs that suggested this. 2. The french lead investigator essentially went shtum after that, talking a lot but saying nothing of substance. 3.They are *reported* to have called in UK intelligence early on. 4. The french and UK police have chosen to work in this JIC framework, which essentially means that they are treating this as a terrorism or organized crime case. 5. They keep throwing chaff by leaking all kinds of conflicting stories to the media. Mystery men from Pakistan, serious family feuds, the possibility that SM might have been the primary target after all – you name, they have leaked it.
What to make of all that, I don’t know. I hope that it isn’t merely basic incompetence; I rather hope that they are following a specific line of inquiry and plan to make some arrests shortly.
@rt
With Mollier my mind keeps coming back to the chain around his neck with the key and silver oval with two figures in it? has to be a clue! either religious or rep’s something he believes in! definatley french in design I think!
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Have you a link please, I’ll have a shufty! 🙂
@Trowbridge
See that Anders has completely forgotten about squeezing my balls until their pips squeak
No, he said he’s keeping his powder dry, but perhaps your emails crossed in the post?
Have read everything on this site as well as I can about the new radar satellites, especially what SSTL has supplied the ESA with, cryosat-2, and only mine talk about their real capability – i.e., discovering where unknown underground facilities can be discovered 24/7, even when the skies are continually cloudy.
I believe you. Can you provide a link to prove this capability, or are you claiming some sort of inside knowledge?
If al-Hilli could provide convincing evidence of what these radar satellites are accomplishing – what he seems to have gone to most risky lenghts to establish his credibility for
He did? How? When? Again, can you provide any substantiating data to back this up, or is it insider knowledge?
Again, I agree that your thesis is plausible, I just don’t buy it that it has to be the ONLY plausible scenario, right now.
@Ferret @Suhayl
Re. your posts speculating on why no information or pictures of Mrs. al Hilli, I posted a link here ages ago to the dentist where she was training and which had an obituary to her (without photo) on their website. This is a link to the dentist but the obituary has now disappeared http://www.bakerstreetdental.com/. Hope “Baker Street” gets past the mods!
Anders,
http://www.acafc.net/pages/ACAFC_les_instructeurs_de_la_FFCA-336873.html
@Peter
Yet more CLAP TRAP© from Herr Dr Prof Pieter McBullshit.
There is no *dominant narrative* being propagated by the media.
Straw Man yet again. I didn’t say there was one. What I said was that the article pointed in a particular direction, which it does. I didn’t say ALL articles pointed in that direction.
On the contrary, those “sources close to the enquiry” leak a completely new angle every day to selected journalists.
Today is the first day in three days there has been any serious news, so I can’t agree with you on that. Although I do agree the direction shifts from time to time.
Funnily enough, the only place where there is a concerted attempt to promote a dominant narrative and shout down dissenting voices is in this very thread.
Not at all. “We” (whoever that is) are currently actively considering several viable alternatives. And anything reasonable is considered.
You know who you are, CAPSLOCK7777 and His Master’s Ferret.
Thanks for the recognition!
🙂
If journalists have been using this site for leads and to try and get a photo of Sylvain Mollier.
If they really wanted to find a photo and knew that this photo was the wrong person. Wouldnt they state that immediately and hope we find them a new photo to be used. Rather than let us be off track for a week plus and the story has gone cold.
If they believe we are useless and of no help why are they reading here.
Or is the real reason that they havent used a photo of him is that they are forbidden to?
Thanks for the link straw, the key is common, the blow up (I can only go far, alas) appears to be two men, the one on the left waving? – I found a love and pride (gay pendant, two men sitting on a bench, one drinking beer), still looking, other pendants I’m finding with two men standing beside each other are also gay pendants.
Surely if the family do not want photos in the public domain this is one of the first they would have taken down ?
Have they forgotten it or is it really the wrong man ?
See that Anders has completely forgotten about squeezing my balls until their pips squeak, and it is just as well as I am no fruad, liar, cheat or bet welcher – what his like-minded colleague (sock?) jamtjim has made an avocation of claiming about me on the Swedish site, The Local
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I never forget when I have someone by the BALLZ ™ !!! 🙂
Semi teasing you Trowbridge, and no again I am NOT jammyjim, but I am a gambler, did it as a PRO for a year, actually. What bet did you welch on? Just curious. 😉
Having unprecedented problem linking articles about ESA,its radar satellites, and the melting of the Arctic ice cap though I acutally saw one which said that the ESA’s cryosat-2 ones can also determine the thickness of bodies of water, and land, provided that it has ice, water, or air below it.
If and when I get one linked, I shall post it.
And remember, the similar radar satellites that NSA’s NRO has are more powerful, perhaps even to cause an earthquake if the site provides an opening for its beams – like what the Misty ones could do with cavities like qanats, caves, and underground developments in the earth’s crust.
It’s also based upon all the research and writing I did on NSA and the NRO.
Think that Gary Aked is telling the truth about al-Hilli’s hatred of Zionism, and his articulation of it on chat-rooms – what the securocrats are now taking advantage of when explaining away his murder and those of the others at Israeli’s expense. Believe that al-Hilli, in doing so publicly, was attempting to show Hassan Nasrallah how serious he was about spying for Islam.
Not the slightest bit worried about what Anders may claim about me, especially that Trowbridge H. Ford aka Trow Ford, TH Ford et al., is a fraud, and I am mostly like just another one by claiming to be them.