My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Hello Ricki. Odd isn’t it how some allowed free speech & others are not.
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You abuse the privilege. Forum sliding, dilution, inanities, the lot. Racism too, you have it all covered! 🙂
Anders, You are more than welcome to do some more C&P of my comments, it seems to be your raison d’etre.. I’ve been blogging long enough to know the types which dominate threads such as these.
Where is your blog BTW ?
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This is it.
Exactly Ricki, but that’s what they don’t like, it’s called racism when you mention the untouchables, but it’s a free for all when they want to talk about Israel & Zionism……funny that…….or even the Brits or the Americans !
In fact, that’s what started all this, Peter made a comment just like yours & immediately he was leapt on for making a ‘reprehensible’ comment .
I have read this public thread from the beginning, its my first time of reading a thread like this and have found it fascinating to say the least, so thank you! It does seem to me however that there are one or two posters who believe their posts should be believed and they try their hardest to get rid of other posters..using the ‘sliding’ tactics they talk about (?) and even by bullying. Its nice to see that certain people have stayed on the thread and not wavered!
Oh yes, one other thing, people that use the word wog in their posts shouldnt really be accusing others of racism IMO.
So you are Craig now are you , you just stalk this thread & call it your blog ?
JC – Hahaha – Amen!
“Forum sliding, dilution, inanities, the lot.”
Yes I noticed so many examples of all of this and more when I did the search on your username that you suggested Anders. Thanks for that.
Oh, welcome Just Curious….. BINGO !
I’d forgotten all about that comment of his . Well done !!!
Is it a vain hope of mine that this thread could turn back on-topic anytime soon, I mean, before I delete the bookmark and never come back here again?
Anyway, @ Katie, whilst I didn’t particularly appreciate some of your comments regarding furriners, I found Kenneth Sorenson’s even less palatable. Thus, in my view, you are bang on the money saying: it’s called racism when you mention the untouchables, but it’s a free for all when they want to talk about Israel & Zionism……funny that…….or even the Brits or the Americans
I take it no one came up with anything even vaguely similar to that pendant SM wore ?
I have enlarged it, there’s a possibility it is a man & a woman…..
Welcome justcurious.
As a dissenting new poster now brace yourself to be outed, shilled, spooked and busted for it by the anders mafia in the usual and so very tedious way.
Yes an ‘alias’ who hasnt posted until this evening but read everything and shall continue to do so. You sir need to calm down and realise…this isnt YOUR thread..its public..deal with it!
Thanks,Peter.
RE: ‘Furriners’, I am one. 😉
Three huge posts about movies anders. Tut tut. The one doing the most diluting by far is you.
I will continue to read Anders thank you! ..you will not bully me away from this thread.
We are posting now though Anders. Unfortunately it has to take the form of defence against the usual attacks first. Much as you wish to be you are NOT the “only poster in the village” on here.
touched nerve Not arf
Bingo outed.
Indeed, Anders.
More thoughts – if this is a murder, why no CCTV footage of the progress, alleged, of the BMW and caravan zig zagging across Southern England and France to Annecy? Ferry terminals? Gas stations? In a normal crime investigation…
And the bikes (alleged). Another no show. Good point Mochyn.
@CD since the bodies were allegedly brought back to the UK (including the Swede/Iraqi???) ought not the inquests to be held in the UK??
Yes an ‘alias’ who hasnt posted until this evening but read everything and shall continue to do so. You sir need to calm down and realise…this isnt YOUR thread..its public..deal with it!
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In less technical contexts, the term is also used to describe something blessed with unusual happiness, as in “fairy tale ending” (a happy ending)[2] or “fairy tale romance” (though not all fairy tales end happily). Colloquially, a “fairy tale” or “fairy story” can also mean any farfetched story or tall tale; it’s used especially of any story that not only isn’t true, but couldn’t possibly be true.
@ Peter:
Shipping cpntainers would be one of their items. And to think such containers can be monitored on satellites from space.
So HERR PETER outs himself as a racis TOO!
As a German growing up in post-WWII Germany, I have imbibed political correctness as well as a generally pro-Israel political stance with my mother’s milk. As someone from a mixed-faith (including a lot of muslims) family, there is little that could be more alien to me than racial or religious discrimination.
However, a self-righteous CAPSLOCK-bigot like you couldn’t possibly understand that concept, even if you tried.
More thoughts – if this is a murder, why no CCTV footage of the progress, alleged, of the BMW and caravan zig zagging across Southern England and France to Annecy? Ferry terminals? Gas stations? In a normal crime investigation…
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Following the same MO as the Pentagon seized tapes.
The Diana CCTV switched off the evening of her assassination.
The7/7 CCTV footage.
All the 800 hours of original Apollo moon footage “lost” by NASA.
They repeat the same MO time after time.
“Psychological operations are planned operations to convey selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of foreign governments, organizations, groups, and individuals.”
Damn I wish I could cut and paste like you can. If it were an Olympic sport you’d certainly be the runaway gold medallist in it.
You know, all this secrecy yet a photo of the aunt leaving the hospital, was published. I cannot find it now though.
@Katie
photo op
@Peter: Oh, and the second company you mention is also interesting, as to what they do and where they do it. I suppose it’s not relevant to mention another engineering company across the pond and the scandal it seems to be embroiled in, involving the son of a certain African dictator, Mexico and Switzerland. No, it would not be worth mentioning because it has no connection to this story.
Katie,
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?num=10&hl=en&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=617&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:12/9/2012,cd_max:12/9/2012&tbm=isch&tbnid=laI88yfNogQtmM:&imgrefurl=http://www.thestar.com/image/1255593–french-alps-killings&docid=Vnit0CKn8U0pQM&imgurl=http://i.thestar.com/images/75/67/84285eac4e46aa09ed1d619bd70f.jpg&w=900&h=599&ei=T75gUOLCBKeb0QXf0oCgBg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=330&vpy=14&dur=3079&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=162&ty=119&sig=112673049740154760789&page=1&tbnh=117&tbnw=166&start=0&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0,i:102
A photo op ,Felix, for the aunt ?
Bluebird at 9:02am on 24.9.12: Re. the lack of photos of Mrs Al-Hilli and her mother
It’s unlikely that religious reasons played any part in there being no photos of Mrs Al-Hilli and her mother in the media. Firstly, even devout Shias love photos and paintings – Iranian graves in Iran, for example, are filled with imagery, it’s a very ‘Roman Catholic-esque’ sort of floridity. This applies to both women and men. Even in Iran, with the chadur, the face remains uncovered. It’s (some) Sunni fundamentalists who dislike images of humans, who wear the face-veil/burqa, etc. Shias do not have that particular hang-up about the face. Some nutter religious police in Iran are paranoid about women’s hair and make-up; clearly, they have a fetish; but not about faces. Secondly, the UK media normally does not hesitate to publish old, usually happy photos of murder victims – there normally is no disrespect intended or taken, it’s simply news and of course it is in the public interest, since we do not know who killed them and it might trigger some little lead.
@Suhayl
That has clarified that theory then Suhayl. Thanks.
Oh, and the second company you mention is also interesting, as to what they do and where they do it. I suppose it’s not relevant to mention another engineering company across the pond and the scandal it seems to be embroiled in, involving the son of a certain African dictator, Mexico and Switzerland. No, it would not be worth mentioning because it has no connection to this story.
So, why don’t you mention it then? Do you expect me and my deskmates here at Disinformation Central ™ to do all the legwork for you? That is not how the game is supposed to be played, you know?
Do you know what sets you guys apart from journalists and indeed any other *normal* person trying to answer any unanswered questions that they may have? Your unwillingness to call somebody or write an e-mail.