My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Correct Einstein quote:
“ I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.”
Really Ricki, I thought the sister lived in reading,he lives with her then, is she married ?
@marmo
It wss reported that SAH worked for rutherford labs in 1986. However, it was also reported that he worked for SSTL.
SSTL works in all their projects with rutherford labs. They could not even control their satellites without the ground stations of rutherford labs. All their tests are done at rutherford labs, too.
It does not depend on who paid him. It depends with whom he had wotked. Usually there aee teams of scientists working on various projects. Some of those scienzists come from SSTL, some from rutherford labs, some even from CERN and some are coming from ISAE (france, jean claude mollier).
Each team is working on a special satellite device. Those are joint teams and regardless on whose payroll those scientists would be they are working in the same team.
Some links confirming that all projects of SSTL are joint projects with rutherford labs:
http://www.sstl.co.uk/missions/techdemosat-1/techdemosat-1/techdemosat-1–payloads
https://earth.esa.int/web/guest/missions/3rd-party-missions/potential-missions/topsat
https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/t/topsat
http://www.geoplace.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=&nm=&type=MultiPublishing&mod=PublishingTitles&mid=13B2F0D0AFA04476A2ACC02ED28A405F&tier=4&id=F585FF1DCE344063863439D2921B17E9
http://www.emeraldinsight.com/journals.htm?articleid=876541&show=html
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewpr.html?pid=37706
Btw. I was grogrogri in my first post here and then i did update my username from my second one onwards because i was using my mobile phone and could not remember my first chosen nick. Sorry for that.
RE: Suhaila, we have heard she was working as a dentist, in Dubai when Saad met her.
Hey wait a minute, if brother & mother were Swedish nationals what were they both doing in the UK at the time of this event ?
I understood mother [?] was only visiting here daughter in Reading,did she take the son with her, but unfortunately he had a relapse during this trip ?
@Katie 25 Sep, 2012 – 10:03 am
I wonder if he was sectioned under the MHA, and if so when, where and by whom?
And I’m still very curious about Sylvain’s association with Solidarite et Progres and the fact that its Swedish counterpart the Europeiska arbetarpartiet has a very articulate Iraqi or Iranian gentleman Hussein Askary as its chairman. I’m wondering how big the Iraqi and Iranian communities are in Sweden?
Europeiska arbetarpartiet was fingered, apparently wrongly for the assassination of Olaf Palme, and it is often insinuated that EAP was set up in Sweden by the CIA in order to label the defectors as left-wing extremists.
Per Swedish tabloid Aftonbladet, August 2, 1976, on EAP and Kerstin Tegin.
*laughable* i think everybody is entitled to read or comment on this thread and i shall continue to do so regardless of ‘your tactics’
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You haven’t contributed a thing yet.
Still waiting.
Re- Haydar Thaher – “Neighbours at their flat said they had not seen the son for about a month while Swedish relatives said they believed he had travelled to England.”
@Ferret
Thank you
I am one of the ‘aliases’ Anders talks of, i find it bazarre to think that every new poster is here for the wrong reasons, like i said on my first post i find this thread fascinating. I have no hidden agenda.
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More non-contribution sliding/dilution.
Saad Al-Hilli loved those girls & his wife, everyone says that from school teachers through to neighbours,even the local council held a minutes silence for that family, as someone else said he would never have risked harming them. So whatever plan you mean could not have been agreed to by him.
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Total rubbish of course.
Duress.
Thanks Ricki, so that’s now clear,he was in the UK with mother visiting the other daughter/sister.
I have to go, someone asked about AH sitting in his car to view satellites ……in daylight ?
His visibility at night would also be limited due to the surrounding mountains.
@Katie
I really don´t see any reason why Suhaila had 2 passports with different ID when travelling to UK and France.
Was she on the way to travel to Middle East later on? That´s a good reason to have double passport, if you don´t want to show your stamps in the Swedish passport where you have been. There was som reports that the 4-year old girl was covered with her mothers legs and bags, later on the bags was not mentioned. The family was also dressed up, on the way to an airport later on? Suhaila as courier ???
It´s a little bit odd that the Swedish Security Service are part of the investigation.
Her work at “The Four Homes of Mercy” is not 100 % confirmed. They had strong connections to Sweden as some of the staff and management where Swedish, so it´s not unlikely she ended up in Sweden afterwards.
The problem is that the Swedish press don´t seem to be interested in the case for some reason.
Saad Al-Hilli loved those girls & his wife, everyone says that from school teachers through to neighbours,even the local council held a minutes silence for that family, as someone else said he would never have risked harming them. So whatever plan you mean could not have been agreed to by him.
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Total rubbish of course.
Duress.
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Anders, how could YOU know ?
That’s it…… I’m glad I have to go, you turn up just to C&P , sneer & upset the atmosphere..
Iqbal’s brother Haydar continually beat up on his parents, especially his father. Suspect that that was why the father moved out for Spain.
Then the son beat up the mother again at the family home in Tumba, and Suhaila finally decided she had had enough, and was willing to put him in an institution, and pay for it – what she apparently did in August when she took him to Reading.
Then she stayed on at Claygate, and went on the fatal visit to France.
Suspect this triggered the timing of the massacre, as she, being articulate in English, and most well-informed about what was really going on, could be the most troublesome source after the killings of the others.
@Katie
It was the doughter Ikbal who worked as a dentist in Dubai ( or one of the other small states in the region ), when she meet Al-Hilli some 10 years ago.
@Trowbridge H. Ford
It was the father of al-Hilli that moved to Spain.
Ikbals father ( Suhailas husband ) died one year ago, in Sweden as I understand.
In haste,Thomas.
Are we sure ‘both’ passports were meant to be hers, could there have been another explanation, is there someone missing from this equation ?
It was odd don’t you think that the 4 Yo barely knew her yet she is ‘supposed’ to be her granny ?
Thomas, yes it was,I stand corrected, thank-you.
I too have to go .. maybe someone else would care to look into the Europeiska arbetarpartiet?
Maybe start here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Workers_Party
I posted some stuff about Solidarite et Progres 73 a couple of pages back.
It looks like both could be a magnet for all kinds of people who might be considered left wing and anti-semitic extremists. Just saying!
Me too, Thomas, though it doesn’t change the reason for finally institutionizing Haydar.
Thanks
Ferret !
“(b) SAH may have worked for ATK on their satellite projects via……”
Ha Ha Ha !
I refer you to my notes previously.
The IR35 contractor…..with “low” returns, but has to rush around to file VAT !
But I’ll wait until you figure out that one.
Felix, sometime last night: Re. the invasion of Iraq, as you’ll recall, Bush, Cheney and the necons had decided to invade long before ‘9/11’.
Marlin, 1:06AM, 25th Sept: Great post about Oxfordshire space-tech. goings-on, thanks so much. I couldn’t resist this, though: “anything to do with space surveillance is hash-hash…”
I often how they got so very high.
how they got so high.
Words dropping out of my consciousness – must’ve got too close to Oxfordshire.
And maybe it was Ferret, not Felix – wrt Iraq invasion.
Los Alamos.
Thanks for proving my point kempe.
Only one or two doubles and .mil command knew anything.
99.99999pc of the population of the world, all the useless eaters, knew
NADA
Same in this case so far 😮
Saad Al-Hilli loved those girls & his wife, everyone says that from school teachers through to neighbours,even the local council held a minutes silence for that family, as someone else said he would never have risked harming them. So whatever plan you mean could not have been agreed to by him.
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Total rubbish of course.
Duress.
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Anders, how could YOU know ?
That’s it…… I’m glad I have to go, you turn up just to C&P , sneer & upset the atmosphere..
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Duress
Willing
Unwilling
Extracted to protect him and family
Plenty of possibilities
WAG THE FROG ™
Ferret !
“(b) SAH may have worked for ATK on their satellite projects via……”
Ha Ha Ha !
I refer you to my notes previously.
The IR35 contractor…..with “low” returns, but has to rush around to file VAT !
But I’ll wait until you figure out that one.
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In character again 🙂
Thomas, at 10:37am on 25.9.12: Re. Mrs Al Hilli (the dentist):
Right, so there’ll be people who knew her in the UAE, people whose teeth she sorted, colleagues, friends, etc. Yet no MSM search for any narratives/photos. Was she on Facebook, etc.? Are her pals? Nobody knows, as the media seem not to display an eagerness to pursue it. Although the husband was the one who worked in a space tech area, leads can come from the most unexpected of places. Leads, that is, not necessarily pertaining to the criminal investigation, but to what might have underlain all of this.
No word yet from the Swedes/speakers/readers of Swedish whom I invited on the ‘Assange/Ardin’ thread to provide info. wrt the Swedish media and the mother-in-law.
@ james
I refer you to my notes previously.
The IR35 contractor…..with “low” returns, but has to rush around to file VAT !
But I’ll wait until you figure out that one.
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Admittedly I don’t know a great deal about the topic but perhaps Saad was working on a fixed term contract basis at SSTL, and thus salaried on a PAYE basis?
That leaves revenue in the limited companies as gained perhaps for jobs done outside of his SSTL work.
That’s the only explanation I personally can come up with, with my limited knowledge.
In the case of these murders you can never be sure that somebody won’t have a twinge on conscience or feel they have to tell all for the public good. Anyway what do you do if the family want to see the bodies before burial as is common practice in Islam? Murder some look-a-likes? Where would you find any that would be good enough to fool close family members?
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What about bin Laden?
A blow up dolly buried at sea?
He floated off into the sunset…
@ james
I refer you to my notes previously.
The IR35 contractor…..with “low” returns, but has to rush around to file VAT !
But I’ll wait until you figure out that one.
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Admittedly I don’t know a great deal about the topic but perhaps Saad was working on a fixed term contract basis at SSTL, and thus salaried on a PAYE basis?
That leaves revenue in the limited companies as gained perhaps for jobs done outside of his SSTL work.
That’s the only explanation I personally can come up with, with my limited knowledge.
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James is insinuating tax and vat fraud, no doubt his specialty! 🙂