My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Extracts from it Ferret
“United States Marine Field McConnell has linked Mrs. Clegg’s root key, allegedly used for Libor-funded snuff films to the cracked skull suffered by an 8 year old child at multiple-murder crime scenes near Annecy, France.
McConnell invites laconic rebuttals to his claim that Clegg’s clients used her Federal Bridge Certification Authority root key to waive Libor-rated debt owed by Sky News/Reuters snuff-film production teams after delivery of back-hauled images of the 8-year old child being beaten and her 4-year old sister being tasered (pace JonBenet Ramsey!) near Annecy. ……..”
“Hilli was an engineer who helped to design the kitchen of the European Airbus aircraft, according to his accountant, Julian Stedman [allegedly helped install Federal Bridge hijack system for Air France Flight 447]. Stedman has also said Hilli worked in a satellite technology firm near the family home…. (Reporting by Catherine Lagrange in Annecy and Alessandra Rizzo in Claygate; Writing by Brian Love; Editing by Kevin Liffey)”
“Hi Tap in reply to above.
This was the original I gave you Abel Dangers Site but he got it from FIELD Mc.CONNEL,Feed aggregator, then REUTERS got hold of it, I sent it to expand on the information, with Link which it has done. The point being that Anon didn’t give sufficient information regarding Background & 747 etc.
which is why I sent it
You will find in the stuff I sent earlier Saad al-Hiffi was also involved in work Sadams Nuclear Project,so as I said he was no ordinary Joe. He must have had some fairly High Security Clearance, I would think
Link: Feed aggregator
U.S. D Marine Field McConnell has linked former DLA Piper partner Mrs. Clegg and her clients in the British Bankers’ Association, to the Libor-funded procurement of automatic pistols apparently used in the recent snuff-film escrow killings in the French Alps and the mass murders of the ‘90s, fraudulently attributed to the Knights Templar and the Ordre du Temple Solaire.”
“Able Danger Expands in Great Detail viz, Links within.
The article then goes on to mention Mass Murders, Suicides, & Bombings
I won’t Comment any more read it & see what you think, I was quite surprised when I found it. If any of this is only partially correct it’s going to open a whole new can of worms.”
REGARDS ……… WASP
“The Tap Blog is a collective of like-minded researchers and writers who’ve joined forces to distribute information and voice opinions avoided by the world’s media.
2012-09-10 14:44:47
Source: http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2012/09/wasp-im-not-sure-about-source.html
He is on Irans side, he doesnt want to see Israel bomb their cities lik they did his, he went back to claim the family business is was a barracks and got little to no money for it and as reported he thought Israel should not exist and thought 9/11 was an inside job!
If he did anything to any satellites it was an Israeli one, as I noted this morning Israels sats are the only ones in the area where the satellite came down the other day!
I think he sabotaged or re-programmed the hunter satellite to take down an importnant Israeli satellite that is used to snoop on Iran and may hdelay any attack for a while!, the Satellite came down over England and was seen from north to south, I think this was a statement and something he believed in. I think the company SSTL and ATK found out and may have warned the Israeli’s, who in turn decided to make the hit!
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Your last sentence RIckiTarr
Wouldn’t surprise me, BIBI is going mental at the moment at the USA’s inaction, he recently started screaming at the US ambassador, read this short thread and you will see Israel’s sheer desperation for war:
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=219876
Hoho, slightly O/T but Gardening Leave is gonna get his head chopped of for this!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/25/bbc-apologises-queen-abu-hamza
Looking for muck on Saad’s accountant I just found this. The article isnt about the accountant- it’s about a removed post.
You’re gonna love this one
http://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2012/09/was-i-right-to-delete-this-post-2449716.html
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Brilliant find dopey!!!!!
I know TAP and WASP, they are the real deal – I normally read the Tap blog, but been too busy lately, well well well. I DID notice the accountants surname and found the relationship odd, never followed up on it …
Ferret. It’s worth clicking on – there’s another link within that seems interesting but I’m still going through it. The content of Dopey’s link makes me feel a bit sick so I want to read it again before I copy and paste.
Hoho, slightly O/T but Gardening Leave is gonna get his head chopped of for this!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/sep/25/bbc-apologises-queen-abu-hamza
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Lol
Read this on the first blog today
What a complete tool! 🙂
@Dopey
Thanks
@Dopey
Oh wait… THANKS!!
😀
I hadn’t noticed this bit…
“You will find in the stuff I sent earlier Saad al-Hiffi [=Hilli?] was also involved in work Sadams Nuclear Project,so as I said he was no ordinary Joe. He must have had some fairly High Security Clearance, I would think”
During an interview with BBC Radio 4’s Today programme about the wider issue of the 54-year-old’s newly approved extradition to the US, Gardner said of Abu Hamza’s former activities that there was a sense MI5 had been too slow to realise how dangerous he was in radicalising other people.
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What rubbish!!! The whole PURPOSE of this guy is to radicalise young Moslems, do MI5 are doing their job!
ORDO AN CHAO
@Roger You would require the bike rack to be fabricated from Hafnium as it absorbs Neutrons, Zirconium let’s radiation pass through freely.
Looking at Julian Stedmans Linkedin profile led me to an Alan Cooper showing on there. Alan Cooper is in the nuclear constabulary. Why, I wondered would somene viewing an accountant’s profile have reason to view the likes of Alan Cooper. Then Alans profile led me to this ….interesting eh.
http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/james-steds-stedman/36/b1a/534?trk=pub-pbmap
Obviously Stedman Is a Jewish name, I found it odd that he would be doing the accounts of SAH, comprende? Although in my experience many accountants are Jewish. And then Jack Saltman fingering SAH… All too convenient, too odd…
Looking at Julian Stedmans Linkedin profile led me to an Alan Cooper showing on there. Alan Cooper is in the nuclear constabulary. Why, I wondered would somene viewing an accountant’s profile have reason to view the likes of Alan Cooper. Then Alans profile led me to this ….interesting eh.
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Why indeed? Eh!
Keep at it dopey!
Re my ealier post I take it everyone knows that the new Radar Satellite from SSTL is in direct competition with Israel as they already have the same type of Sat in operation. I fthey took down the Israeli sat they would dominate teh market and put them in a bad position!
I really have not got anything against Israel and know im pushing this story but im just trying to connect the dots!
@ Dopey
If you want to read more of this guy’s (who refers to himself as “Marine” and manages to make CAPSLOCK7777 sound quite sane in comparison) rants, I suggest you visit his website
http://www.abeldanger.net/2012/09/marine-links-mrs-clegg-to-al-hilli.html
Barking 😉
Anders,
O/T but is Tap for real? I’m reading some pretty dark stuff about a brilliant Welsh footballer/manager who committed suicide…
Btw Peter for a “writer on counterterrorism” you sure do spend a lot of time here?
No day job, eh?
No articles to write? No deadlines?
LOL 😉
“Marine’s” premiss is essentially that the AHs were murdered by paedophile driven by a profound hatred of god-fearing heterosexuals. But he doesn’t stop there … LIBOR manipulations are part of the plot, too.
@ CAPSLOCK, I think you and he would get on like a house on fire
Anders,
O/T but is Tap for real? I’m reading some pretty dark stuff about a brilliant Welsh footballer/manager who committed suicide…
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I can assure you he is. And that Gary Speed stuff is all true, as is Haute de la Garene, Northw Wales etc. I know the main copper after the North Wales pederasts, and what went on, and still goes on, is sickening beyond belief.
WASP is very very good.
TAP I believe recently moved to Indonesia or somewhere, so is somewhat immune from libel laws etc,
Well worth reading all his stuff.
Wasn’t AH
You will find in the stuff I sent earlier Saad al-Hiffi [=Hilli?] was also involved in work Sadams Nuclear Project,so as I said he was no ordinary Joe. He must have had some fairly High Security Clearance, I would think”
Too far fetched. AH senior fell out with the Saddam regime, who were Sunni & AH is Shia.
Why would AH want to help Saddam ?
Haute de la Garenne, North Wales, Anders ?
Google is your friend Katie.
I’m with you on this Peter.
That site is barking !
Sorry Dopey, great find, but not credible. 😉
I want it from you Anders, I know something about H de la G.
Must say that I don’t follow where this thread has gotten to now, with all shooting in every direction.
All I have learned is that Mrs. Suhaila al-Allaf is a close neighbor of STV’s leading investigative reporter, Lars Borgnäs, and I suspect he got everyone chasing up the wrong tree – as he has done in the investigation of the Olof Palme assassination – and once it proved a most false lead, the Swedes washed their hands of who and what was responsible for the massacre.
Mrs. al-Allaf lives at 6, Hålsvägen, in Tumba, and Borgnäs at 12, Furuvägen – about 300 meters away, and this is an area with very few houses.
Have to think that Borgnäs – who I have met, lent a book to about the Palme murder, and was surprised he didn’t even know about – must have known about what the son, Haydar Thaher, was doing to his parents, and what the father might have been doing for the Saddam regime for his STV program, Striptease, over the years.
And when Borgnäs heard about what had happened to Suhaila and her son-in-law, he immediately tipped off Säpo, Sweden’s counter-espionage and counter terrorist agency, and it almost immediately determined Haydar had an alibi for the killings, as he was incarcerated in an English mental hospital at the time.
End of story as far as Sweden is concerned, and just makes one wonder what Borgnäs really knows.
@ Thomas
“She studied to become a dentist in Sweden in the nineties,”
I read somewhere that she qualified as a dentist in Baghdad.
What are we going to do with you & your MISS-leading ways Anders ?:
According to a tradition published in the Church Times (16 February 1906) of the Angle-Catholic Church of England, John Stedman brought with him to England a chalice made from a portion of wood cut from the cross on which Jesus was crucified.
. In the Scotch and dialectal English languages, the word stead was written such ways as, sted, stede, steed, steid, and stid. John, being thus settled on a stead/sted, became known as John le Stedman. Subsequent spellings of the surname were: le Stedeman, Stedman, Steadman, Steedman, Steidman, or Stidman, and sometimes Studman, according to fancy of the bearer.
On 9 November 1931, the late Mr. Thomas Steedman of the Cottage, Fruix, Kinross, Scotland, who then was 81 years of age, stated the following in a letter addressed to Joseph Earle Steadman:
“There is no rule for spelling names. Some people change the spelling of theirs because they think it too common; others because of a fad; the great majority because they are asses. There was an excuse for those in the 14th to 17th century. The bulk of them (at least in Scotland) could neither write nor read. That is the only excuse we can offer, but, fortunately, things are altogether different now. My cousin has changed to Stedman, for what reason no one knows. The family spelt it with two ee’s for generations.”
http://www.tqsi.com/stedman/nameorigin.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-19714348
Annecy prosecutor Eric Maillaud, said the team would have full access to the case “as if there were no borders”, but admitted progress had been slow. “It is an investigation that risks lasting an enormously long time,” he said. “Often investigators have a theory in the first hours of an investigation. This time we have no idea.”
Anders, I don’t need to Google I know all about it, which is why I wonder if you really do.
You cannot keep dropping stuff like that without proof.
Very young Saad (Between 19 and 29 year old) helped Saddam? Okay posiible
@Dopey
@ferret
In 1981 [when Saad was 19 years old] Israel suddenly attacked Iraq’s french build Osirak reactor, and as Stephen Walt has pointed out, that led to Iraq doubling its efforts to master the nuclear cycle — to an extend that UN inspectors who entered Iraq after the first Gulf war [when Saad was 29 years old] — was quite surprised how far Iraq had gone — just as Iran are likely to do if attacked.
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Documentation [Steve’s killer argument against an attack on Iran’s nuclear instatllations