The Al-Hilli Conundrum 6629


My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.

Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.

In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.

My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?

Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:

From Janesmith101

All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.


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  • anders7777

    I kow I’ve said it before, but it seems to have been “all go” for the Al Hilli bunch in 2002/2003 – Saad gets British citizenship, he/the Al Hilli’s were being monitored, the father nashes off to Spain, signing the house over to the brothers and Saad gets married.

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    SAH then was working for the Brits persuading Iraqi tank commanders to surrender, before Schlock n Gore MK II was unleashed.

    He would have been paid a nice ransom, blood money, sorted out all his affairs, make everyone cushty, his father, all SORTED!

    Only thing is MK II was a massacre, 1m + dead from depleted uranium, all the rest.

    SAH is ashamed.

    SAH quite rightly becomes a bitter man, and it festers over the years.

    Cue events now.

  • Ferret

    Can this possibly be a coincidence? Who is Safa Al-Hilli? Born 1986. Digi Smart/Satellite regd address: 162 West Hendon Broadway, London, NW9 7AA. Registered Tel: 02082030888.

  • Orph3us

    I did see mention last week, I don’t know whether it was here or on DI that the brother was looking for information related to FPGA programming on a forum somewhere. Does anybody have a link to that, it would be interesting to understand what they are doing with them.

  • anders7777

    It does seem odd though that SAH & family could live on so litts le money, though. (£8,330 last year.) I can only think he must have had another company, or perhaps as someone (you?) already suggested, he had a PAYE job as well as side-earnings through his company?

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    Fiddling. All contractors are at it, eh James? Much like the RAFman ™ fiddle with Fern, and all the rest uncovered.

  • phil t

    Re ‘d-notices’

    No evidence of/for

    Evidence against includes
    + after a brief time msm soon gets ‘bored’ with inconclusive complexity
    + british mainstream doesn’t give much of a shit about dead ‘foreigners’ abroad
    + british mainstream doesn’t actually need d-notices to get it to toe-the-line – it is habitually tame, passive, …
    official-line swallowing, unwilling to probe into ‘unknowns’, etc
    + etc

  • Molliemallone

    Evening all… no comments on Gary Aked’s address that I posted late last night, does that mean it had already been found?

    Not sure if this is anything or not… Sounds like a lot of pie in the sky to me, but then does quite a lot of these conspiracy theories!! lol

    Global Apocalypse Linked To French Alps Family Massacre [http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1612.htm]

    By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers

    A chilling Federal Security Services (FSB) report on the 6 September massacre of British-Iraqi scientist Saad Al-Hilli and his family near Chevaline in the Haute-Savoie department of the Rhône-Alpes region of eastern France (bordering both Switzerland and Italy) circulating in the Kremlin today warns that these killings are “substantially linked” to a potentially imminent global apocalypse.

  • bluebird

    @marmo

    It does not confirm anything at all but is pure speculation like everything else on this board.

    However, there is a chance. Btw you meant hicheur but wrote mollier. Regarding your previous message i understood what you meant.

  • Ferret

    162 West Hendon Broadway is a very unprepossessing address for a satellite/tech company. A rather grotty high street in NW London.

  • Molliemallone

    SAH’s facebook profile has disappeared tonight. Friends list was still viewable last night. Kicking myself now that I didn’t copy it!

  • Ferret

    @MollieM

    Evening all… no comments on Gary Aked’s address that I posted late last night, does that mean it had already been found?

    Evening…

    I’d already found it on 192 but was too cheap to buy any credits to see the details!!! So thanks very much for that. Now copied and pasted into my notes in case it disappears. 192’s rates have shot up in recent years, or is that just me?

    Not sure if this is anything or not… Sounds like a lot of pie in the sky to me, but then does quite a lot of these conspiracy theories!! lol

    😀

    …killings are “substantially linked” to a potentially imminent global apocalypse.

    Spooky!

  • phil t

    Who did it?
    Professional killers ‘wise’ enough not to kill the children – which would have (otherwise) made it a ‘shocker’ from which attention could not have been easily diverted
    Ie government agents and/or hard core criminals …
    .

  • Ricki Tarr

    @Dopey It is a well known Mi5 tactic to use british citizinship as a bargaining chip to turn agents or assets

  • Molliemallone

    There is a way to get addresses from 192.com without paying. It doesn’t always work, but when you know the first bit of the postcode, ie GU6 you then search with GU6 1, then GU6 2, and so on. Once you have the first 4 digits, you do the same with the 5th. If you’re lucky with your guesses, it doesn’t take long! lol

  • anders7777

    162 West Hendon Broadway is a very unprepossessing address for a satellite/tech company. A rather grotty high street in NW London.

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    Oi Vey already!!!!!!

    West Hendon is Golder’s Green my boy! Never mind the quality, feel the width!

    What have I been saying all along?

    SAYANIM

  • Orph3us

    @Molliemallone My thoughts are alike those of GuyF a few days ago. The bad guys got away with what they wanted, hence the heavy spook presence early on and the 8 hour cover up on site.

    Remember also the fire that broke out on a French Nuclear site at approximately the same time that day.

  • anders7777

    SAH’s facebook profile has disappeared tonight. Friends list was still viewable last night. Kicking myself now that I didn’t copy it!

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    MM!!!

    You never listen to me, LOL!

    ALWAYS paste in crucial link HARD DATA ™ ! 🙂

  • anders7777

    Before we all get carried away, I been reading Sorcha Faal for Years (the joke is she is called Sucha Fail!), so whilst most of “her” stuff is in the ballpark, beware.

  • anders7777

    There is a way to get addresses from 192.com without paying. It doesn’t always work, but when you know the first bit of the postcode, ie GU6 you then search with GU6 1, then GU6 2, and so on. Once you have the first 4 digits, you do the same with the 5th. If you’re lucky with your guesses, it doesn’t take long! lol

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    A natural! I’ve always said this!!! 🙂

  • phil t

    Re d notices

    + no disgruntled.mainstream journalist (there are many these days – given decline in ‘industry’, job cuts, etc) who has said: ‘i was prevented from reporting on this becauze of …(d-notice 123xyz) …

  • anders7777

    @Molliemallone My thoughts are alike those of GuyF a few days ago. The bad guys got away with what they wanted, hence the heavy spook presence early on and the 8 hour cover up on site.

    Remember also the fire that broke out on a French Nuclear site at approximately the same time that day.

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    Yep KISS

    K eep

    I t

    S imple

    S tupid

  • bluebird

    Great find ferret about digi satellite ltd.

    However it looks like a normal shop for tv and satellite antennas. Nothing that looks really exciting to me by looking at that picture of the shop.

    On the same address there is also hd electronics ltd.
    Is in the same business. They even have an own website. But could not find out if SAH is involved into that company too.

    http://www.allinlondon.co.uk/directory/1251/73187.php
    There is also a picture of the shop in the picture above.

  • NR

    Since abeldanger was mentioned above re snuff films, this a another link. McConnell is hard to read and sounds loony, but at times has good clues.

    http://www.abeldanger.net/2012/06/mcconnell-links-concordia-kiddy-porn.html

    And there’s this, which relates to that:

    “xxxx xxxx June 8, 2012 at 2:10 AM · Reply
    yyyyyy yyyy framed this guy [Magnotta] and is going to get away with it..MUAHAHAHAHA”

    There’s a small possibility that xxxx is joking, however, he has zero sense of humor. Names are redacted to avoid this page suffering long posts of dezinformatsiya, but they are the same pair who framed / tricked / snitched Manning with AOL IM. Lulz.

  • dopey

    @ bluebird

    What’s the website? Its worth running through a “whois” search to see if it throws up any interesting info.

  • anders7777

    Since abeldanger was mentioned above re snuff films, this a another link. McConnell is hard to read and sounds loony, but at times has good clues.

    http://www.abeldanger.net/2012/06/mcconnell-links-concordia-kiddy-porn.html

    And there’s this, which relates to that:

    “xxxx xxxx June 8, 2012 at 2:10 AM · Reply
    yyyyyy yyyy framed this guy [Magnotta] and is going to get away with it..MUAHAHAHAHA”

    There’s a small possibility that xxxx is joking, however, he has zero sense of humor. Names are redacted to avoid this page suffering long posts of dezinformatsiya, but they are the same pair who framed / tricked / snitched Manning with AOL IM. Lulz.

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    Thanks NR.

    Sometimes the only way to leak something BIG is via a fruitloop, and/or fruitloop magazines, the National Enquirer, Star, etc.

    Makes perfect sense to me, and is done regularly.

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