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My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.

Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.

In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.

My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?

Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:

From Janesmith101

All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.

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  • NR

    Was anyone wearing a green, purple or black hoodie, the current symbol of evil? Ah, granny had a black hooded robe. She’s the one!

  • Felix

    Postman from Claygate, Esher also referred to as Gary Stanford more widely.
    A longer interview with him is here at ITN
    http://www.itv.com/news/london/story/2012-09-06/london-toddler-found-after-alps-massacre/?page=4

    Q “Do you know when they left for their holidays?”
    GS: “I haven’t seen the caravan there for a couple of weeks now”….
    “That was always parked in the drive..the guy use to refurbish BMWs so he was always going off in his BMW to places…”

    Mr Stedman, who lives in Foley Road, Claygate, said: “The day he was going [to France] I was trying rapidly to get his VAT return done.”

    Does Stedman say anywhere the date he was doing the “VAT return”??? If not, why not??

  • Ferret

    @PhilT

    You were saying that no journalist has complained about being restrained in the Al Hilli case?

    Dopey reposted a tweet from journalist Andrew Neather (Evening Standard) on Sept 17 citing “injunctions barring publication” (see below).

    And no journalist would openly come out and say there’s a D notice about a particular story or they’d be in deep doo-doo, that isn’t going to happen.

    An “anonymous Manchester journalist” is the source for the purported D notice and its 4 prohibited subjects:

    1. Al Hilli’s links to the nuclear industry
    2. Any speculation about Israeli involvement
    3. ?
    4. ?

    Can anyone remember 3 and 4?


    Dopey

    17 Sep, 2012 – 12:20 am
    From Empee at David Icke

    Andrew Neather ‏@hernehillandy (London Evening Standard)

    Draconian nature of injunctions barring publication of info about al-Hilli kids does suggest authorities assume Alps murders were prof hit

  • Ferret

    @Bluebird @Dopey

    Good research on Digi Satellites Ltd – sounds like a dead end. I’m going to go back to looking at Shtech and AMS.

    @MM

    Thanks for the tip re 192!

    🙂

  • Suhayl Saadi

    “I should say that every time I write something about this case I think of those girls when they get old enough to do their own internet research. They’ll be reading this blog one day.” Blue Bear

    A sobering thought.

    Well, like most people, I don’t know what happened, obviously. Overall, I agree with CD’s analysis (7:50pm on 25.9.12). Some or other organisation (I don’t know which) may have perceived Al Hilli and Mollier as a threat and therefore taken them out. Al Hilli and Mollier will have thought they were safe and the ‘family picnic’ was the cover. The hit was hastily arranged, though and the family were an unexpected complication.

    But most of the posited configurations remain possibilities.

    I think – even more than with the Gareth Williams case – it will be difficult for them to spin the ‘murder-suicide’ angle in this case (though Thomas’s other excellent points – around 9:27 pm on 25.9.12, I think – wrt PR cover-ups may well apply), due to the existence of the two girls – one beaten around the head and shot, the other, not physically injured, as well as the dead cyclist. So the establishment will/maybe is spin/spinning the tale that ‘he wasn’t important within the industry’, etc. (as happened with both Gareth Williams and David Kelly, but not Alexander Litvinenko, if one recalls).

    Thanks very much, all, for responding to my question – just thought it’d be tidy and useful, to know what the consensus (or otherwise!) of views were, after three weeks and a long and largely fruitful – thanks also to Jon’s light touch – discussion. Also, to help clarify my own thoughts on the matter.

  • Ferret

    @Suhayl

    So the establishment will/maybe is spin/spinning the tale that ‘he wasn’t important within the industry’, etc

    This is already being/been done.

    But Gary dismissed these as nonsense. “I would rule out work. He wasn’t into anything nuclear, he wasn’t into any defence contracts,” he said.

    “In any case he wouldn’t have got the clearance for sensitive defence contracts because of his Iraq background. It was definitely not the cause of his death.”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/french-alps-shooting-islamic-rants-1326315

  • Ferret

    @Suhayl

    And yes, it’s been a very useful and interesting exercise – thanks very much for bringing up the question!

    🙂

  • Felix

    Ferret – good work on Digi Tech. Liked-in says Safa is doing a masters at Kingston University,near to Claygate. The name Safa’a is found in Iraq. It is also the name of a Swedish physicist at Norrkoeping, Safaa Al-Hilli
    http://webstaff.itn.liu.se/~safal91/safaa%20Home.html

    @Kathy
    Good work too on Fadwa. She is slightly too chubby to be identifiable in that Photo op at l’hôpital couple-enfant in Grenoble.

  • Ferret

    @Straw

    That picture looks like a Rabbi with four bodies wrapped in Jewish prayer shawls with their distinctive black stripes. Looks like he’s wearing a skull cap too.

    Suhayl, do Muslims have similar wraps for the dead?

  • Ferret

    @James

    SAH’s company SHTech Ltd didn’t do so well last year but in the three prior years he had done very well (sort of £60,000 a year ish over 3 years at a quick inspection).

    It’s quite possible that he didn’t need to work, either because he’d been prudently saving or perhaps because he had private income from his dad’s estate, if any.

    Or, as Anders claims, from secret payouts for persuading Iraqi tank crews to surrender. No source for this though.

    The idea he was a man in desperate need of money has, I think, been safely dispelled as a myth.

  • Trowbridge H. Ford

    Seems to me that we have reached this point in our searches, but please correct me if I am wrong, or have left out something important:

    1. Al-Hilli could have helped Saddam in his hopes of still gaining nuclear weapons after the first Gulf War, making him most bitter after his ouster in the second one.

    2. Al-Hilli in meeting, marrying and having children with Iranian Suhaila al-Allaf became so committed to seeking revenge against the perpetrators of the Gulf Wars, especially because of the losses Iran had experienced through NRO-made earthquakes in keeping Tehran at bay during them, that he ultimately decided to spy for the Iranians, particularly because of paranoia about Israel’s role in the process.

    3. Al-Hilli’s work at SSTL gave him access to information and know-how about new miniature, radar satellites which would alert Tehran about the dangers its nuclear and weapons programs faced and what counter measures to adopt, and how it could catch up in the intelligence-gathering game.

    4. Unfortunately for him and the Iranians, the West learned of what he was up to, thanks to eavesdropping by America’s National Security Agency and its allies, and arranged for him and his whole family to be killed with help from France, Israel and the UK.

    5. France arranged for Sylvain Mollier to meet him, acting as if he were an emissary from Tehran so that he could make up for his past mistakes, while Tel Aviv got its Mossad kidon going for the kill, and loads of sayonim in action to explain away what happened – like in the David Kelly murder. Brett Martin was the Brits clean-up man to make sure that nothing got out of control during the cover-up.

    6. London sent enough messages about an apparent DA so that everyone knew to play it cool when it came to writing it up.

    7. STV’s Lars Borgnäs got the process started in Sweden, as he had done in the Anna Lindh assassination, by getting Säpo involved in a wild-goose hunt for crazy Haydar Thaher, Mrs. al.Hilli’s brother who was then incarcerated in an English mental hospital.

    8. The media in general was then too busily occupied with all kinds of predictions and stories about the final showdown by the West with Tehran to pay much attention.

    Conclusion: Case closed.

  • Ricki Tarr

    @straw44berry 25 Sep, 2012 – 8:04 pm
    We could use a Surrey newspaper to post a belated Obituary of the Al-Hilli’s mentioning something the D-Notice wouldnt allow.

    Thats an awesome Idea? I thought we could sign it from workers at a secure location that would be reason enough for them to pull the advert! I was also thinking of signing it from M.O.S.S.A.D

  • bluebird

    @ferret

    AMS looks to me like a letterbox company. AMS means “aeronautic maintanance systems” according to a few of the other AMS companies. There are are hundreds if not thousand AMS companies at this same address registered. That address is a letterbox address only.

    Now we could speculate why. There are many reasons for letterbox companies:
    Hiding tax income, 2. too small and too poor for having an own office, 3. Representing foreigners from other countries ( not the case here), 4. hiding their real activities that is taking place somewhere else, 5. created for the whole purpose to launder money earnt from other (secret or illegal) activities. Anything else as a reason for a letterbox company?

    Reason 2. Would be rational if he had no other office. But he had several othrr offices. So then, why a letterbox company?

  • Katie

    Ferret. RE: research, you misunderstood [again] I meant this site for that which I had posted on the subject being discussed last at the time, you will find it on page 23 & rather a repetition I shall not bring it here.
    >>>>>>>>>
    “And by the way, Katie, teenagers do also go to school you know.

    So saying he went to school in Pimilico doesn’t mean he didn’t come over as a teenager.

    Is it so hard for you to admit you were wrong?”
    <<<<<<<<<
    I have no idea what you're getting at here,but I am surprised you missed why the Al-Hillis left Bagdad, it has been so widely documented.
    I've never gave an age for AH…… I said late 70's, I have seen '78 mentioned but it really doesn't matter whether AH was 11 or 18 he would not have been a nuclear scientist & still attending Pimlico school.
    Nor would he have returned , to help Saddam, just after leaving…….when they fled in fear for their lives.

    Re: the video I posted for Felix ,Maillaud is being interviewed in the dark at the scene in my view, [why else would he be standing in the dark ] if you watch carefully, you can see him arrive in the beige [?] car.

  • bluebird

    @ferret

    Regarding AMS 1087 ltd

    The AMS letterbox companies (several hundred at this address just getting a different number) are obviously organised by the AMS accountancy group (same address)

  • Blue_Bear

    phil t

    26 Sep, 2012 – 2:05 am

    Anders

    0.5. 20 “Military types”*

    [1.] First on scene was killsr(s)

    1.5. 20 “Military types”*

    2. Ex-raf guy? / whoever else was ‘programmed’ to folllow up 1.

    2.5. 20 “Military types”*

    3. Some dumb fuck french cop who – for example – did not search rear/fear back area of.car.for….

    3.5. 20 “Military types”*

    [4. The rest of the paramedics/coppers/journalists/slack-jawed local gawpers etc.]

    4.5. 20 “Military types”*

    * Delete as appropriate.

  • bluebird

    To those who are so focussed about mossad:

    If israel would kill everybody who posts rants and threats on israel, then israel would have to kill 30.000+ israel haters per day. That does not happen of course and is not logic.

    However, people who are really dangerous for the israeli people have been killed previously, such as high ranked members of hezbollah (shia organisation!) funded by iran and syria(assad). In such a case (hezbollah) often the wife and close relatives were killed as well.

    Given what Aked said, he could have become a member of Hezbollah’s foreign security branch that allegidly cooperates with al-qaida branches. That of course could be a reason to kill him if he planned a terror attack on israel. Any ozher reasons for killing a family are nonsense.

    2. When are members of secret service organisations being killed?

    Only if they change sides or if they are working for both sides AND if they have any information that could be a threat for the security service or for tge people of the other side and when they are using this information either for blackmailing or as a threat against this country.

    In 99% of such cases, however, spies will be arrested and certainly their families wont get killed, except when they are working for terror organisations ( hezbollah, al qaida, chechnian liberation, etc.)

  • Katie

    Straw.

    “By French is basic but I clearly ‘trois heures’ so this cant be a mis-translation.”

    No you are right Maillaud does say three hours. I think he means three hours ‘after’ they started work on the scene.
    Remember if was frozen until the team came from Paris [?] so once there photos & forensics would have been done & the bodies extracted some time later = three hours.

    Quite amazing the child didn’t struggle out whilst that was going on, either she was sleeping for some of the time or simply petrified.
    Clearly human nature is pretty amazing when it comes to the survival instinct !

  • bluebird

    Ricki tarr:
    For running that drone successfully, they need satellites. Iran has got a few, however, if those drones would work as predicted, their satellites would become destroyed within a day or two only. Without satellites, a drone is useless.

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