The Al-Hilli Conundrum 6629

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My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.

Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.

In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.

My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?

Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:

From Janesmith101

All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.

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  • dopey

    @ CD
    26 Sep, 2012 – 5:14 pm

    Ooh I like the tone of that. I’m going to put that on mine. I’ll email the Beeb too.

  • Q

    I wanted to point out the confusion over where SAH worked when, and for whom doing what. The same confusion hung over the Lachlan Cranswick case. He worked for Atomic Energy Canada Limited (a crown corporation at the time), no, the National Research Council of Canada, no the Canadian Neutron Beam Centre. Turns out he worked for the Canadian Neutron Beam Centre of the NRC at AECL Chalk River, which was simply a way of separating research into a separate division to obscure the amount of money taxpayers were shelling out to fund this facility.

    By the way, the grandson of Egon Bretscher studied ELVES and sprites (think optical flashes and lightning storms), but became a sociologist after his brother, a promising young mathematician and physicist, was found dead in a river after going for a bike ride. The father of these two brothers was a co-developer of the technique of X-ray crystallography using synchrotron radation. The father said a female relative had suffered a brain injury years in Europe after being attacked by three men.

    Still thinking the al-Hilli scenario is part of a bigger picture, going back years. It’s the weaponization the earth’s atmosphere and space, IMO. Bike rides and walks: bad ideas.

  • Rickki Tarr

    I did a search on twitter and there is a personal friend of SAH on there called Fa Tab astard (no that isnt a real name and no im not taking the P**) has anyone got a twitter account,just think we could ask the man a few questions, he’s from Manchester and as I am sometimes in Manchester could speak to him face to face if he wants!

  • phil t

    Who did it?
    British establishment ( ‘prince harry’ – or some such ‘trained professional killer’)
    Why ?
    Don’t know
    ( but see cd’z qz 3.49 – and even a maverick former brit dip such as craig probably does not get to the ‘depths’ of …)

  • Blue_Bear

    Rickki Tarr,

    Got nothing to lose.

    BTW, were you accessing the Daily Mail via your phone?

    CD/Dopey, I only wanted to ask questions. I’ll let them make the statements. Or not. We can then decide if they’re telling the truth. Anything pertinent to their fulfilling their charter is cool imo, Suggesting they are doing something underhand is not though. Let them make the statements.

  • CD

    @ phil t 26 Sep, 2012 – 5:57 pm

    Neighbours said he lived over 20yrs at Claygate home. So, if that is true, from approximately 1990 (aged 28?) he lived there with parents until the death of his mother and his father’s move to Spain.

  • James

    When Ikbal took over from Zaid (12 Jan 2011) why was she listed as Al Saffar ?

    I thought the wedding was earlier than that ?

    And why has Ahmed Al Saffar (uncle to Ikbal) got the same name as the grandmother ?

    Is this a traditional thing I am missing ?

  • phil t

    Understanding ‘the fear’ …
    & if you could point a finger at a ‘known culprit’ … you would yourself …
    ‘Better’ instead to point at obviously absurd ‘character’ such as ‘prince (sic) harry (wales)’

  • dopey

    @ James
    26 Sep, 2012 – 6:21 pm

    I haven’t a clue. No wonder they’re all so hard to trace!

    It was explained on here (yesterday I think) that the women sometimes can take the man’s first/christian name as her surname. It seems anything goes where surnames are concerned. We need an Iraqi to help us out…and starting a family tree for them somewhere wouldn’t go amiss either.

  • P_

    @Ricki. I saw Fa Tab’s account the other day when I was checking Twitter and came up with Mark Williams-Thomas’s “revelations”. Astard’s account has now been withdrawn, I think, which makes me think s/he was just fishing.

    @James. If you scroll back, you will see some interesting information about different styles of naming in different communities. Suhayl posted some illuminating remarks.

  • phil t

    Cd 349
    Family moved to uk(gbni*) ‘1990’?
    Meaning ‘in the run up to gulf war 1’
    Meaning?

    (* NB IRA still ‘active’ early 90s – mortar attack on 10 downing st just before gulf war 1- thiz is not incidental)

  • Ricki Tarr

    Cheers P

    Re my daily mail I have used my phone to click on the link from this site to read the mail but not directly! Plus the call was to my work phone!!!!!

  • Felix

    @CD
    The postman said that he had been delivering mail in Al-Hilli’s street for 7 years, and that they had only lived there for 3 years. He also said he had no knowledge of a wife there. Check video link above – Standiford / Stanford.

  • phil t

    He moved to uk (gb & northern ireland*)
    n run up’ to gulf war 1 …

    (* where did ira get weapons from – generally assumed the more recently ‘busted flush’ libya … but also …?)

  • anders7777

    @ferret

    And no journalist would openly come out and say there’s a D notice about a particular story or they’d be in deep doo-doo, that isn’t going to happen.

    =====
    Look what happened to Gardening Leave when he breached Herr Queenie’s ‘Kick Hamza out!’ racism!

  • anders7777

    @ferret @jon

    Ref your DA notice question.

    CRYPTONYM posted the following on Thread I on Sept. 7th…

    I copied the few commments on the indymedia site, earlier, just after the DA-notice comment from ‘Manchester based Journalist’, but not including the comment of 15:12 quoted by Anon here, concerning General Yossi Ben Hanan (chief of defence at Paris Israeli embassy) picking up three unknown others in helicopter at Chambrey Airport (close to the scene).

    –
    His company

    06.09.2012 13:36
    He was set up by Mi6 in 2007 in a front company called AMS1087 which did aircraft based photography. They were based at the Delta office park in Wiltshire which is built on part of the old ‘Turnstile’ nuclear Command and Control bunker and is still owned by the MoD. He was loaned RAF trainer aircraft at no cost to help him get established as well as pilots and because of these advantages his company originally thrived however once he started to visit Iran in late 2010 he lost a lot of (MoD supplied) private contracts and the business almost collapsed.

    It is interesting that they let him wander around France with no protection even though they knew he was an Israeli “sikul memukad” or high profile target. A deserted country road would have been ideal for the Israeli kill team sent after him.

    Looks like he either outlived his usefulness or went ‘rogue’

    –
    Watching
    The cyclist who found the body was an RAF airman !!!

    06.09.2012 13:48
    What an amazing coincidence that the first person on the scene was a member of the RAF Regiment (the Air Force army branch) who just had to be passing on his bike !!!

    –
    Ian
    British Embassy sends twenty person team to crime scene

    06.09.2012 14:05
    In an unprecedented action the British Embassy in Paris has sent a twenty person team to the crime scene headed by Kara Owen the deputy British ambassador. According to local TV station ‘Demain’ people describe the British Embassy staff as being “military type”.

    There is developing a cover up of massive proportions to protect Israel.

    –
    Remember this day
    Looks like they were attempting to run

    06.09.2012 14:27
    The local police (before they were shut up) said that the family had multiple passports including British, Iraqi, Swedish and UAE. It seems they were travelling cross country perhaps back to Iraq where they would feel safe .

    –
    Drudge
    Defence Advisory Notice is in effect here

    06.09.2012 14:41
    Today at 0750 we received information that a Defence Advisory Notice or ‘D Notice’ was in effect with regard to certain facts about this story.

    No mention of his links to the Security Services
    No mention of his links to Iran
    No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
    No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing

    The only place you are going to read about the real facts of this story are on sites like Indymedia.

    Manchester based Journalist

  • anders7777

    Notice that MOSSAD is actually fingered, the Kidon Hit Team is exposed by SIS via the DA notice, para 4

    Today at 0750 we received information that a Defence Advisory Notice or ‘D Notice’ was in effect with regard to certain facts about this story.

    1 No mention of his links to the Security Services

    2 No mention of his links to Iran

    3 No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research

    4 No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing

  • anders7777

    @ferret

    Or, as Anders claims, from secret payouts for persuading Iraqi tank crews to surrender. No source for this though.

    =====
    That was Mark Golding I think on Thread I

    here it is

    Mark Golding – Children Of Iraq Association
    7 Sep, 2012 – 7:35 pm
    According to an Iraqi doctor who declined to be named, Saad Al-Hilli was working with British Intelligence agents trying to persuade Iraqi commanders to issue instructions to their forces in the field to surrender before the US-imposed 2003 deadline for President Saddam to leave the country expired. An attempt was made to isolate those in Saddam’s immediate circle in Baghdad and negate orders they would give to Iraqi commanders situated in bunkers elsewhere in Iraq.

  • anders7777

    To spell it out

    Saad Al-Hilli was working with British Intelligence agents trying to persuade Iraqi commanders to issue instructions to their forces in the field to surrender

  • phil t

    Anders 7654
    No journalist would openly come out and say ‘there is a d- notice’ simply
    because there was not one – because they did not need one (given the passivity of msm, etc)
    Please do no ‘over-complicate’ the narrative …
    Pt

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