My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
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Is there anyone here who can tell me if the Daresbury Laboratory was involved in testing WMD?
@cathy
there is more about him. I just can’t confirm to link “James Bond” to the Al Hilli family yet.
http://www.findmyfavouriteteacher.com/Arabic-teachers-tutors-T0002910.html
Good work Nope dont know a Russell Shields either he sounded like a Manc?
Remember Radio 4 tonight at 8pm, Ill be out so make sure someone listens!
Q
Re the Annecy Police.
What I mean is….what a great place to plan a “crime”.
Isolated…and with a “police force” that are completely and utterly crackers.
They go looking for one missing swimmer…and find a further three dead bodies by accident.
…but it doesn’t end there. They have no idea who they are, where they came from or how they died (or even if they died in or near the lake).
Then they have the “Al Hilli killings”. Who turns up first…the “fire brigade” ! Followed by the “military police”.
So after a few cigarettes and a few phone calls back to the barracks…they eventually get “the forensic team” to pop along.
Then after the mayors been for a stomp about that night (although he didn’t return until the next day as he was hiking…both “tales” told by himself by the way) they take the car away, send up a roadsweeper and reopen the site !
Lets face it, if you’re going to do a hit, “Annecy On Sea” is a damn fine place to have it !
@James:
Good thing they didn’t do it in Deep River, Ontario, where the missing bicycle(s) would have been found in record time.
Was there ever any hard evidence of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction back around 2002/3, and if so, was it tested? Was it tested at Daresbury Laboratory? Did scientists from Daresbury Laboratory lend their expertise, even if such materials were not tested there?
One dares not bury any evidence coming out from that laboratory, cause it could be true
Q
“Was there ever any hard evidence of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction back around 2002/3, and if so, was it tested?”
They had a very sharp mango and onion chutney factory….and that was about it.
They had nada, nothing, zilch, zero.
Infact I am convinced when Bush blew up those three buildings with those two planes (a bit of a mistake there, but they bought it !)
Ole Saddam probably said “phew, that’ll take the heat of us for awhile”
The ONLY weapon of mass destruction that Saddam had…was he would quote his oil in Euros and not Dollars.
Could you imagine “oil” quoted …and paid for in Euros and not Dollars !!!! Bye Bye “Hamerica” !
“Re the Annecy Police.
What I mean is….what a great place to plan a “crime”.
Isolated…and with a “police force” that are completely and utterly crackers.”
The French police do have a reputation for being spectacularly useless. Even worse than their British counterparts. The conspiracy theorists will no doubt take this as further evidence it was a carefully planned “hit”, where better to do it than a country that has a rubbish police force.
@ Bluebird
I am hopelessly lost amongst all those al-Hillis. Thus, I am just going to paste a few links that may or may not answer your question whether or not the little James Bond (actually, I find his prowess at table tennis the most impressive aspect of his bio) is one of *the* AHs.
On Twitter {http://twitter.com/hilli90}, he is following that guy {http://twitter.com/malhilli)
He knows a Deena AH {http://www.justgiving.com/Hussain-Al-Hilli} {http://twitter.com/DeenaAlhilli}
who has a sister named Noor AH in Bahrain {http://twitter.com/NoorAlhilli}
Amongst her followers is a Hussain AH {http://twitter.com/halhilli}
Has anyone noticed what appears to me to be a bullet hole in the roof of the car about where the missing bike rack section should be? If it is indeed a bullet hole, then that would mean that the shooter was in the vehicle, either that or had really really long legs…
Has anyone noticed what appears to me to be a bullet hole in the roof of the car about where the missing bike rack section should be?
Yes, I noticed that. However, you can tell from the shape of the exit hole what the trajectory must have looked like. That shot entered the windscreen near the centre, high up near the roof. That shot (the very first shot fired, I guess) was a miss. It was fired from the front-left of the car.
@ks
By the way I rememer press reports (probaly by The Independents Robert Fisk) where evidence seems to suggest that Allawi at one time pointed his gun to the head of an insurgent and…shot him. It wasn’t reported in the Mainstream Media, but as far as I remember Robert was reporting it
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I remember that! I try and read all the Fisk stuff, though I don’t totally trust him. Allawi is a pshycopath, and did to impress all the army types at the scene. David Icke has written extensively on “watch your pockets” Allawi…
Yet another psychopathic trougher with his hands in the till.
Further to my last comment @2:50 pm…
Allawi’s wife and children still live in Surrey (must have major security cover) and he claimed his family lost about $250m when Saddam moved against them.
Sorry @ RVA525, I didn’t make myself too clear there: IMHO that is an exit hole, caused by a shot that entered the windscreen from the front-left. The oblong shape of that exit hole actually points to the coresponding entry hole.
Ace detective work BB, outstanding!!!!!!! Yes, a very good idea to repost your stuff at Icke, now perhaps people may grok why a DA notice is in force.
Thank you Peter! That makes perfect sense.
Here’s one for the conspiracy theorists
What if SAH was getting, or someone believed he was getting Allawi’s family out of the UK?
I still say it’s far more likely that the connections we have already uncovered or hypotheised are the key to the whole thing: Saad’s knowledge of nuclear techologies, his links to intelligence and to Iran, and to satellite technologies.
And that Mossad did it.
Just my tuppence-worth!
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My 2c
Also with Ferret
Allawi and his scum are raiding the coffers in Iraq
Remember the 2.2 TRILLION that bastard face Rumsfeld said went missin in Iraq?
Well, certain folks were onto him and Allawi
And all the evidence was in building 7 on 911
Which was destroyed
PULLED
30 minutes AFTER the BBC reported it as having collapsed
Live on air
See my Jesse Ventura Piers Morgan links earlier
So
If SAH was planning on going back to Iraq to muscle in on all the money scams
Then Allawi’s mob only had to tip off the CIA and/ or Mossad
So Mossad or MKO DOES IT
I said earlier Mossad 1.01 to 1
MKO 10/1
Here’s one for the conspiracy theorists
What if SAH was getting, or someone believed he was getting Allawi’s family out of the UK?
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That forms part of my theory, posted yesterday.
Here’s a profile of Waleed al-Hilli.
http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/person?personId=444573514&targetid=profile
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Regarding Hussein Al-Hilli and Deena Al-Hilli I have a 99% family tree connected.
Father Ali Al-Hilli (he is cousin of Saad and the brother of Balsam).
Mother Lamya Al-Hilli
Son: Hussein Al-Hilli (he’s our “James Bond”)
daughter 1: Deena Al-Hilli
daughter 2: Zeena Al-Hilli (don’t mix her up with 4 year old Zeena!)
daughter 3: Noor al-Hilli
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Thanks for your help regarding the twitter links.
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@Kenneth Sorensen @Anders
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I just think its disgusting all those young blokes sitting on their backsides the whole day trying the question this fine man as to his motives — for speaking out his sincere felt emotions about this tragedy.
Raw Nerve ™
JS is one of the very very few people who have spoken on the record to the media along with Brett Martin. It is normal to look at what he said and who he is.
Now I ask, KS, who “your kind”???
Re Kingston-upon-Thames
The dissident journal Iraqi File was published there in the 80s and 90s by Ghassan Al-Attiyah, an influential politican who has popped up at Davos inter alia.
Seen in this recent YouTube clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXi95JLQeN8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayad_Allawi
Please could anybody help me regarding that wikipedia link (above)?
paragraph “Allawi’s early life”.
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“Ayad has three children, one of them, Hamza, studies in a school in Surrey. Allawi’s cousin’s son is called Hayder Allawi, who works in the Government. His best friend is called Naji Aziz.”
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What does that exactly mean? Is the best friend of Allawi Naji Aziz or is the best friend of Allawi’s cousin’s son Naji Aziz?
I’m asking because I found Naji Aziz (who is in the oil trading business) in the friends list of Hussein Al-Hilli as well as of Deena al-Hilli’s friends. However, he seems to be approximately their age (25-40). So it’s unlikely that he is the “old Allawi’s” best friend. However, if he is his cousin’s son (“who works in the government” – which government? British? Iraqi?) best friend, then the age would approximately fit and we have another link between the Al-Hilli and the Allawi family.
Perhaps somebody with native English understands that wikipedia sentence better than me. Thanks for your help.
Now I am still investigating a possible Waleed (Walid) Al-Hilli family link.
@ Bluebird
There are a lot of vaguely familiar-sounding names on this committee
http://iraqiyouth.webeden.co.uk/#/committee/4537008120
and it looks as if the oil trader is into politics as well
BB re Ali Al-Hilli (he is cousin of Saad) – have you a definite source for this statement?
I thought the “your kind” statement was a tad OTT too.
(scratches head)
If Iraq had offed SAH and Sylvain, we would never had heard the end of it, so back to
Para 4
DA notice
Don’t mention Mossad …
“Ayad has three children, one of them, Hamza, studies in a school in Surrey. Allawi’s cousin’s son is called Hayder Allawi, who works in the Government. His best friend is called Naji Aziz.”
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It is all confusing!
Wheres Suhayl!?!?
Wasn’t Hayder also GADARman ™ – the nut case?