My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
By any chance is the name “Brett” some sort of inside joke among certain agencies? I’m thinking of an unidentified man with expensive dental work who was found dead in a toilet near the town of Deep River, Ontario in September 2001. He was given the nickname “Brett Stone”, for no apparent reason.
We already know the popularity of “William Martin”.
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Q
They DO love their cliquey insider FREEMASONIC jokes and HODDWINKS ™
So yes.
@all – cracking discussion folks, keep it up.
@anders – deleted that last one from you [accusations of who ‘slipped up’ out of spook character, who is a ‘sayonim sympathiser’ etc]; more facts, less mud throwing please.
Can someone explain dragging the Allawis into the cast of characters in this conspiracy when Ayad Allawi had little to do with the setting up of Saddam’s ouster?
The real troublemaker was Ahmed Chalabi, president of the Iraqi National Congress, who cooked up all the lies about what Saddam was up to, thanks particularly to the claims by the notorious Curveball.
Oh, yes, just called Lars Borgnäs again, and again no answer, not even an answering machine to record the call.
Most strange for a leading journalist. Usually, they record the call, and say that they will call you back, even if it is an outright lie.
Suspect he is just hiding, and for obvious reasons it seems.
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Well said Trowbridge!
Blue Tit has been rumbled, we have a little cell operating here! 🙂
Dopey, do you know how someone puts a “freeze” on a will? Would that involve court approval? How long do executors in the UK have to close an estate? Was there a court-appointed executor? I’m trying to think of ways the al-Hilli will could have passed through the courts. Would the will have been registered where al-Hilli senior died in Spain? Are Spanish death records open to the prying eyes of the public?
@bluebird, re hosting a chart of current theories, how about setting up a Trello board (trello.com)? It’s free, multi-user, and displays topics in a column-card format, which might be quite good for ‘seeing everything at once’.
town of Deep River, Ontario in September 2001. He was given the nickname “Brett Stone”, for no apparent reason.
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Oh and STONE
like the ROLLING STONES
Stones = masons
Freemasons, with which all the intel agencies are crawling
I thought it was one of your best posts yet Anders. It seems only one team is allowed to throw mud – funny moderator our jon
Just did a check on Borgnäs’s clamis about who might have assassinated Palme, and here is a list of his suspects.
l. The Swedish military because the stateminister was a Soviet stooge who was planning, with the new leader of the Soviet Union Mikhail Gorbachv, its surrender.
2. Säpo’s real head, P. G. Näss.
3. Nazi-leaning officers who attended Bo Sthål’s bookstore.
4. Nazi-leaning police officers who attended a meeting in south Stockholm the night before the assassination.
5. NATO’s Gladio forces.
6. ngvar Grundborg of the Swedish Defence Materiel Establishment.
7. Police officer Claes Djurfelt.
8. Säpo Director Sune Sandström.
9. Police officer, and weapons inspector Sonny Björk.
10. Finnish-speaking police officer Bror Perä.
11. South African hitman Craig Williamson.
None of these suspects apparently did it, so hardly surprising that Borgnäs has no interest in what happened to Suhaila al-Allaf and her daughter, Iqbal.
He only covers up what comes up on police radar screens,and in Sweden little relevant to assassinations is likely to appear.
Mae Faisal el Wailly is on Facebook, and she was definitely listed as a friend of Saad al Hilli.
http://www.facebook.com/mae.elwailly
@Bluebird
it is tough to search for her (Mae Faisal El Wailly). She’s from Surprise, Arizona and born in 1957. She might fit with the age of Saad but I didn’t find much more about her because the internet is spoiled with her press release and you won’t find the significant links easy.
Pity that google and other search machines don’t not allow us searching by date:
“only list everything updated earlier than one month ago”.
That would be perfect.
It’s not that difficult BB!! She’s on Facebook!! http://www.facebook.com/mae.elwailly
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@ Q 27 Sep, 2012 – 7:38 pm
Thought there was a curious matching interchangeability of middle names /forenames and surnames for these two…
William Brett Martin and
Philippe Didierjean…
So you can get William Brett… Brett Martin… William Martin… Martin Brett etc and Philippe Didier… Didier Philippe… Jean Didier… and Jean Philippe… all as viable name combinations.
@ CD 27 Sep, 2012 – 6:32 pm
Well, at least the police in Britain have mustered a safe pair of hands to help contain this incident:
http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/Undefined-Headline/story-12661869-detail/story.html
http://thethinkingpoliceman.blogspot.de/2010/10/does-power-tend-to-corrupt.html
The comments on the second article in particular, I fear, will lead to a flurry of CAPSLOCK comments 😉
So you can get William Brett… Brett Martin… William Martin… Martin Brett etc and Philippe Didier… Didier Philippe… Jean Didier… and Jean Philippe… all as viable name combinations.
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Yes, add THAT lot to all the multitudinous SAH and family Arab spellings and we go down a convenient dead end to Allawi/Challabi and all the missing trillions in Iraq.
Red herring being pushed very very hard indeed.
Too hard.
Or is blue tit a genius, far better than all the dozens of hard core journalists NOT doing the simple a b c stuff?
If all trails led to Baghdad then the msm would be all over it!
@ Trowbridge H. Ford 27 Sep, 2012 – 7:18 pm
It’s background.
Allawi was the person who conveyed the supposed Iraqi 45mins WMD strike capability to UK and US ‘intelligence’. He survived an early assassination attempt in 1978 in Kingston on Thames after he fell out with Saddam for whom he had done some dirty intelligence work. His second wife and children still live in Surrey.
There is a sizable ex-pat Iraqi community in Surrey and around Kingston on Thames. The Al-Hillis didn’t move there until around 1990. Some of the community, including Allawi and the Al-Hillis, were dispossessed by the Ba’athist regime and may have hoped to regain family property and businesses once Saddam was ousted.
The comments on the second article in particular, I fear, will lead to a flurry of CAPSLOCK comments
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I see Herr Peter totally ignores developments. 🙂
@ Q
27 Sep, 2012 – 7:54 pm
Nope, I haven’t got a clue. If the father died last August a year in dispute seems an awfully long time, but I know very little about wills and probate…off to Google it now though.
@ anders7777 27 Sep, 2012 – 8:59 pm
In going into the background I wouldn’t be suggesting that the trail leads necessarily or exclusively to Baghdad, only that it suggests that intelligence services have a probable thirty-year interest in this Iraqi community, many of whom are highly qualified professionals in various fields.
While I agree with your likely culprits, I suspect the information source was probably the UK and possibly Iraq.
Anders, my last post for the day… mods should be invisible! This thread is really getting into a groove, with a lot of very interesting theories coming from all sides. However earlier in its lifetime, a large proportion of screen-space was being taken up (mainly by you) as to who was a spook/Sayonim posting from Langley/Tel Aviv. It is seriously counterproductive since you can’t prove it – alleged “slip ups” out of character are not evidence.
Please do as @CD, @Peter, @Molliemallone, @Trowbridge, @Q, @Katie (etc) is doing – presenting evidence and explaining relevance etc. If you want to disagree with someone’s theory that’s fine, but explain why, and – again – be open to alternative theories. Your certainty that it was X is not shared by everyone else.
Your certainty that it was X is not shared by everyone else.
It was shared by 80% yesterday
I may be way off the mark, or this may have been suggested before; but what do poeple think about all these satellites recently falling to earth?
Is there a link to the Al-Hilli hit?
Ferret when have I made anti Arab remarks ?
Good job reposting it ferret
If it is deleted again it can be read in full on DAVID ICKE.
Perhaps if we are going to be unfairly censored we should all move there???
@Dopey –
no, the son is Tim/Timothy. I am unclear how the accountant got to know the Al-Hillis through him.
@CD
good to put all the spinners and relatives together. Don’t forget the postman. And the ex-RAF man at SSTL. Possibly more…
Can someone put up the Listen again link for the R4 prog. I heard a bit of it.
Seems to me, from my limited section, that the all other media has been silenced in order to clear the way for the BBC to interview those already out there. I’m sure there will be plenty of analysis of it. (e.g Zaid Alabdi told by the police not to talk, who then is talking to the Beeb)
Finally, can anyone (CD?) point to any similar cloning of exclusive BBC TV interviews to other channels in recent years? Thinking about the BM interview also put out by ITN and Sky.
Unrelated fact – a PhD student from the UAE at Reading University, Eanas Al Saffar (Al-Hilli met his wife in Dubai)
http://www.reading.ac.uk/Study/international/study-int-ProfileUAE.aspx
Please do as @CD, @Peter, @Molliemallone, @Trowbridge, @Q, @Katie (etc) is doing – presenting evidence and explaining relevance etc. If you want to disagree with someone’s theory that’s fine, but explain why, and – again – be open to alternative theories. Your certainty that it was X is not shared by everyone else.
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Please explain why you let
A Katie make extremely offensive remarks
B why you let KS make several rants about all the Jews being forced out of Israel and back to the USA
I am using double spacing because the light is bad where I am
My posts ate not long, they get to the truth ASAP
I don’t have the luxury of sitting around playing with essays like some do on this blog site
“The exRAF, the “what came to be” the sorter outer.”
So why didn’t he finish off Zahid?
Now this is not mudslinging
I am describing odd behaviours
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Of course it’s mudslinging.
You do it all the time Anders. Look what you’ve done yet again,turn up & start sniping.
Everyone was perfectly happy until then. ….. do try to accept others have opinions too.
Getting us to go off to Icke would be exactly what they want. This is a public forum, with high visibility, and mainstream. I vote we stay put.
Kempe, that’s the only thing I can’t understand, because if BM was AH’s minder, she would have been travelling on his knee in the front seat.
AH had collected him from the house,having put his bike on the roof rack ?
So he would have known there were two children, if she hadn’t been injured I’d have said he bottled killing them.
@ felix
“no, the son is Tim/Timothy. I am unclear how the accountant got to know the Al-Hillis through him”
Aah, so James Stedman the nuke copper is nothing to do with the accountant then? Thanks for clarifying.