My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Ferret…
No idea..at all. (re Gary).
I know contractors…in pre 2000 I ran lots of them.
It was really simple. By in one, with a contract…and “cash Friday” the whole thing.
What you found was….they all (their mates) would do it.
And this was in “aviation”.
This guy is a mucker….who sees his mate go contracting, but doesn’t do it ?
Why ? Has Gary got a better job ? Has Hilli got more skills ? (but why the lean years ?). Is Hilli doing other things ?
If I can some how find that, then maybe more links can form.
What do you think ?
@ferret
I would say that their families are more cohesive than ours in that sense. More tribal. Not so much individualism like here. I am sure it doesn’t always work like that but often it does. Take for example Iyad Allawi, he came from a political family with parliamentarians among them from the time of the king.
@Ferret 28 Sep, 2012 – 12:21 am
See for example {http://www.ieyenews.com/2012/09/bridger-named-in-dirty-cops-book/} lots of background down the page.
I’m expecting the lone gun, lone random nutty shooter theory from it too. Either a random, nutty shooter, or they’ll go for the family feud over the will one and will pick a patsy…most probably the brother.
That’s if we’re “lucky”. We could just get utter silence and the odd vague mention about unsolved murders, in a two sentence paragraph hidden on page 23 instead.
@ Dopey
Totally agree!
Ah crap. I’ve registered at Icke but can’t post for up to 48 hrs, it says. Well, goodnight all. Glad Anders’s masterpieces from earlier were saved for posterity!
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Goodnight!
PS. Thanks for the other replies, much appreciated, will get back to them tomorrow.
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“‘night all”, as DoDG used to say.
Sorry Ferret,
I forgot about the 48 delay. I was a reader there before my first post but that helped filter out the crap I would have posted. See you at Icke. Goodnight all
Ferret..
Scrolled back and found it.
So will search that.
There has to be (one) link that firmly can qualified.
Then @all can chase.
I dont believe…nor disbelieve it was mossad.
Or Iranian secret service…or Iraqi special agents…or !!!
But in DXB “we” were given cctv and “passport” info.
Here there is nada.
(mind you, in London on one July morn, what did cctv matter !)
“nothing” here smells to me like “The French” or “The British” (and who are The British without the US) that are involved.
@ jon moderating = censorship to me
funny that innit? esp on this website which is supposed to be in support of wikileaks , assange etc etc…
transparency all the way otherwise you are just acting ‘in the best interest’ of the forum/thread/govt/whatever…..
unedited = freedom
1.30 AM MAD THOUGHTS?
Consider this.
Iqbal doesnt live with Saad.
192 often forgets to include wives.
No toys in the garden anywhere!
I believe the postman said ‘I didnt think Mrs Al-Hilli lived there’ he should know.
He thinks there was a wife in there but it is him who comesout to take his post.
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fvimeo.com%2F48947088&ei=MvBkUInTEOW60QX4j4CYBQ&usg=AFQjCNG-EbtRgZECrCmLfwM-takR9WD-4w
Iqbal from Iran then Sweden then Dubai an Independant woman. Where is her car?
What The F*** !
I nver heard the interview with the “postie” oddly enough.
Mainly as I don’t live in the U.K. anymore and haven’t had a “postie” since about 1998.
What does he mean at 0.36 “its a refurbished BMW…!”
and “He’s always out in it” !
Is this fella a postman ? Does he delivery arond 9am UK ?
Don’t people go to work earlier than that sometimes ???
Or is he saying Mr Al Hilli was always at home ???
…and the wife got “no mail” !!!
@ferret
Getting us to go off to Icke would be exactly what they want. This is a public forum, with high visibility, and mainstream. I vote we stay put.
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Your posts have been deleted.
My short ADIOS was deleted.
Most of my posts this evening were deleted.
Get the picture yet?
I said I was outta here – deleted.
I can’t post for laughing, with “Peeping Tomanders” posting whatever we say on Icke now *waves*
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And I welcomed you back?
I was right from the start!
Me… I am just considering where Hilli was (when the postie of 7 yrs said he’d only seen them…well him…for 3 years).
I call it “the lean period”.
THEN ole Flanders pops up here !
Seems you’ve been “outed” on the …… website !
WOW. That’s something.
I hope you didnt say anything bad about “Pot Black” !!!
Ah crap. I’ve registered at Icke but can’t post for up to 48 hrs, it says. Well, goodnight all. Glad Anders’s masterpieces from earlier were saved for posterity!
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And yours.
That the sweeper DELETED. Twice or Thrice, hard to keep track.
@ jon moderating = censorship to me
funny that innit? esp on this website which is supposed to be in support of wikileaks , assange etc etc…
transparency all the way otherwise you are just acting ‘in the best interest’ of the forum/thread/govt/whatever…..
unedited = freedom
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Precisely DADDIO!
Just looked on ! Man are you crackers.
At least people here actually try to put thought behind their views.
You’re just crazy.
THIS IS ANDERS77776754 !
On “David Icke’s forum”….and what he thinks about research here !!!
“Can’t thank you enough strawberry!
That dump has been such a HUGE energy drain on me, enough is enough.
I hope we can keep this thread bubbling.
Good to be back! ”
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=73
To all…
Just reviewing the “strange” comments made by the postman,
Al Hill was only there three years (at the house we know of).
Keep in mind, his contract with SSTL ran from November 2010 and his contracting Co from 2001, can any shed any light on the contracts before ? And where he was ? (The UK ? DXB ? XXX ?).
Also, his friend Mr Aked said he worked with him and has known him for many years.
I assume pre contract work (or maybe contract work) but where (for sure) was that ? (a Co has been mentioned on here,,,but I am unsure, so confirmation absolute would be great).
That’s all folks…so from a windy “here” (it’s strange here to get this weather) I bid you all adieu. And catch you tomorrow
I mentioned previously that scientist Lachlan Cranswick worked at Daresbury Laboratory, but took a position at AECL Chalk River in 2003.
Just downstream from the nuclear plant at Chalk River is CFB Petawawa, which houses two special ops units, one being an aviation unit. There is also a specialized unit at CFB Trenton that deals with WMD. News today is that “black assets” have gone missing, worth millions of dollars.
Yes, folks, the “killer colonel” RCAF pilot Russell Williams was base commander at CFB Trenton, where the WMD unit is located. He murdered one of his two victims about 10 days after Cranswick disappeared. He left the victim’s mobile phone in her home. Cranswick’s phone was also found in his home, although he was a safety-minded person who normally would have taken it with him.
Williams’ father was a metallurgist at Chalk River. His stepfather worked at the Chalk River nuclear facility, too, a chemical engineer; he studied at Birmingham U. and MIT. Williams was born in the UK.
Oh, what a tangled web, as with the al-Hilli case; nuclear, air force and WMD angles are just the beginning.
Doesn’t everyone believe that there is a DA being followed when no stories, especially one of any value, have appeared since the DM mentioned TWO WEEKS AGO the Mossad possibly taking revenge on al-Hilli because of his anti-Zionist rants on Muslim chat rooms!
The media is under the tightest rein I have ever seen regarding covert operations by the usual culprits.
Think I shall start snooping around here about what happened to the al-Saffars because of the shootings, and why the Swedish media isn’t providing anything, not even its usual crap when strategic assassinations occur.
BBC Radio 4 The Report
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mx27j
@Dopey
Re the Essex Boys murders. They were not carried out single handedly. Notice this photo
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/882425.stm
Looks familiar. The car was covered because the bodies were taken away in situ if my memory serves me correctly.
Perhaps this was a script for Chevaline?
The Rettendon story doesn’t have the strange smell which wafts off Chevaline. “. The rear nearside window had been smashed, apparently by a shot” Details online at Leah Betts link to triple killing Will Bennett, Independent 08 December 1995. And not an ex-RaF man in sight – the discoverers were normal people.
Radio 4 programme – The Report – Annecy Killings, with Simon Cox.
Listen again – for one year!!. Rather than one week. (wonder why…) 28 mins.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01mx27j
Just off to listen. What do others think?
My initial thought from excerps last night:
Limited hangout ™
Jack Saltman again interviewed. Whereas the media would be onto the accountant anyway because he is publicly associated with the Al-Hillis, why is Saltman so generous with his time? There must be quite a few neighbours in Claygate who are more camera shy, shall we say.
The postman (ITV video) seems quite natural (links above) and probably caught on the hop.
Sorry, Mochyn. didn’t realise you had posted the link. See what Aked, Saltman et al say….
In Saltman’s first video, he emotions seemed to say to me at at least that he wasn’t shocked, like, er,his neighbours had been shot dead and there were two orphans left (allegedly). Cue Sorensen..
Still no photos of the wife or even the granny. Perhaps the Surrey Constabulary didn’t find any in the house in their long search.
So Brett Martin was alone in Annecy. Not a family holiday then. Not that there was much DIY to do from the photos. Wonder who was there on the ground to look after the bookings/keep an eye on things?? (if indeed it was a real business)