My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Notice the two aerial photos on the BBC site now are credited to News International syndication.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19729566
Bluebird
Have you tried to put your information into {www.myheritage.com} with you as Al-Hilly? Might work and show upo a tree opf the whole extended family. One could then take a screenshot and post it on David Icke, and even continually updating it there, beacausde Icke’s forum allowes for that. One could also incorporate the page om Google Sites using the excellent Gadget iFrame {https://sites.google.com/site/gadgetsbysj/gadgets/iframe}
I see a bloke called ‘Denis’ has made a chart on David Icke, is that you? I don’t think it is very clear,a nd it doesn’t show the relations in a glance. He writes “All Rights Reserved” Doesn’t somehow sound right in this information sharing age.
One could also incorporate the page om Google Sites using the excellent Gadget iFrame {https://sites.google.com/site/gadgetsbysj/gadgets/iframe} as I for example have done when you click on me name. at the bottom of that page I have the excellent chart from Denmarks Nationalbank iocorporated as an iFrame, its excellent because everytime the Nationalbank updates their chart, it gets updated on my page as well
@Kathy
I would say that their families are more cohesive than ours in that sense. More tribal. Not so much individualism like here. I am sure it doesn’t always work like that but often it does. Take for example Iyad Allawi, he came from a political family with parliamentarians among them from the time of the king.
Thanks Kathy.
Suhayl, do you agree?
@CD
Thanks for link re CIB3.
@Dopey
Oh! When you said there was a “Peeping Tomanders” reposting everything from here to Icke, I thought that must’ve been Anders himself, I didn’t realise you were having one at his expense. Why’s that so funny? I don’t get it. At least on Icke he can post and not be deleted. (While his opponents enjoy greater freedoms…)
@Anders
And yours.
That the sweeper DELETED. Twice or Thrice, hard to keep track.
Yeah… I had to do a LOT saving last night!
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@Strawberry
Consider this.
Iqbal doesnt live with Saad.
Not as mad as you might think
192 often forgets to include wives.
It does? How? It has electoral roll records, wives are supposed to be on these too…
I believe the postman said ‘I didnt think Mrs Al-Hilli lived there’ he should know.
I agree. Didn’t he also say they’d only been there a few years, not 20 as claimed elsewhere?
@Trowbridge
Can someone explain dragging the Allawis into the cast of characters in this conspiracy when Ayad Allawi had little to do with the setting up of Saddam’s ouster?
The real troublemaker was Ahmed Chalabi, president of the Iraqi National Congress, who cooked up all the lies about what Saddam was up to, thanks particularly to the claims by the notorious Curveball.
Oh, yes, just called Lars Borgnäs again, and again no answer, not even an answering machine to record the call.
Most strange for a leading journalist. Usually, they record the call, and say that they will call you back, even if it is an outright lie.
Suspect he is just hiding, and for obvious reasons it seems.
I suspect the spiderweb of relationships is simply a distraction.
After all the attempts to draw the heat off Mossad on this board, which have mostly failed, they had to come up with something new.
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Strange indeed that Lars Borgnäs is off the radar…
Doesn’t everyone believe that there is a DA being followed when no stories, especially one of any value, have appeared since the DM mentioned TWO WEEKS AGO the Mossad possibly taking revenge on al-Hilli because of his anti-Zionist rants on Muslim chat rooms!
The media is under the tightest rein I have ever seen regarding covert operations by the usual culprits.
Think I shall start snooping around here about what happened to the al-Saffars because of the shootings, and why the Swedish media isn’t providing anything, not even its usual crap when strategic assassinations occur.
For some reason, some people here keep arguing this point. Apparently it’s easier to believe that the entire UK media (DM excepted, perhaps) entered into a covert conspiracy to avoid the 4 topics completely, and to believe that whoever posted the DA Notice was prophetically gifted!
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He writes “All Rights Reserved” Doesn’t somehow sound right in this information sharing age.
Says Kenneth, who refuses to answer even a simple question…
Ferret wrote:
What a thing to say! You are of course entitled to your suspicion but why not keep it to yourself, as it does no bloody good here. Bluebird did a fabulous research yesterday. ther emight be something in it or there might not, but who are you to dismiss it out of hand? It’s important if Saad had connection with all those Iraqie expats with connections to British and US intelligence services. And remember tou might get your Mossad in the end, cause they could very well still have been the ones carrying it ought. Or it could be someone imported from Iraqs rough sectarian fead, because this kind og betsiality is not uncommon there
@Anders
Your posts have been deleted.
My short ADIOS was deleted.
Most of my posts this evening were deleted.
Get the picture yet?
I said I was outta here – deleted.
Yeah, point taken – it stinks.
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@Kenneth
Oooer! Touched a nerve have I?
Mind answering my question?
I have no idea what kind of nerve you are talking about nor which question, which I probably won’t answer anyway because its probably not of interest to this forum, and remember: we should all try to keep focus.
@Straw – I read an article and posted the link a few days ago that the only Staellites in that area where Israeli spy Satelittes and when I looked into
SSTL their new satellites that can dock with another and bring back to earth or destroy it, I think that SAH brought down the Israeli sat without the company knowing previously and when they found out the information was passed to the Israeli or they found out, it may have something to do with why SAH was not in work.
SSTL also deal in nano satellites that when used all together can be used as Spy Satelittes for SSTL customers (and it sounds like Mi6 had their eye on it or that they where using it to Sting unwanteds) thh Nano’s can even be controlled by a smart phone! the Radar Satellite tech can see through weather and cloud! (all links are on past pages).
Im saying it here SAH’s wife is a set up this is a marriage of convenience and she is probably an Iranian asset.
Now are we saying that SAH first worked for MI6 and was turned in Iran when he visited in 2010 or do you think he was in Iran on the behalf of Mi6?
I have no idea what kind of nerve you are talking about nor which question, which I probably won’t answer anyway because its probably not of interest to this forum
If you’ve no idea what the question is, how could you know whether it would be of interest to this forum or not? What a give away!!
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As if you needed any reminding, I have been asking for several days how you would propose to implement your novel mid-east peace plan, surely you can’t have forgotten? I have had to repeat the question several times as you kept ignoring it.
@Ricki
Thanks for your post, I always appreciate your thinking, though I don’t always follow the same plot-line!
One small problem, SAH was shot before the satellite came down – surely you’ve got your timeline the wrong way around? Or am I missing something?
but who are you to dismiss it out of hand? remember we should all try and keep focus ?
oh, kenneth sorensen part of the katie club of hypocrisy i see. same aggression levels too. who knows why the moderator hasn’t cracked down on you two yet. if he thinks anders is bad then….. i think he’s being very naive. imo. anyway do stop using bold, you’re not that important.
Ferret – Thanks mate, yes but could have been programmed remotely at anytime (even from a smart phone or from the PC he had with him, the neighbour mentioned he had sent him an email) I very much doubt there is much you can do about it in Space once its set into action!
I tell you what though all the players have a very rich legend and there is a lot of angles we can come from, lots of industries, ties to polictics, the nuclear game, Military satellites, Iran, Iraq, Israel, UK, France, Mi6, Mossad.
The reason I think the wife is a fraud is this has always seemed very similar to the Russian illegal spy ring in NY.
I know everyone thinks I have wild ideas but im really not like that, I have done a lot of research into Secret Services over the years and like to know the truth and I think we have all come pretty far and youve all helped me understand this, maybe we can all write a book on this one day!
Did anyone listen to radio 4 last night?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19729566
Sorry better go and do some work now!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00jkr1q
@ anders
And I welcomed you back?
I was right from the start!
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Aww Anders, I was only teasing. I’m sorry x
From that radion thing last night. The “James” who spoke who we thought was James B may have been this other James quoted in theis article instead?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19729566
Ferret, I’m not arguing about the DA notice. All I’m saying is that the overall behaviour of the media may indicate there’s one but it doesn’t have to exist. No stress from me either way.
Listening to Radio 4 now. Did anyone hear Kevin Marsh on Fivelive yesterday?
PS. Is this board supposed to be an advert for Icke..? 😛
Morning.
Thanks Felis/Ricki for the program link.
Will listen ASAP.
Straw that’s a curious observation about wife getting no mail, yet she must have lived there because the child went to school close by & neighbours talked of a ‘family.’
I suppose she too could have used a computer for all communications ?
@ ricki
Sorry Ricki I haven’t woken up fully yet and missed that you’d posted the same link already
Someone asked where AH was prior to his present address, it was somewhere in Pimlico,he moved to Claygate because it was near some cycling/track/venue/location.
Where the father owning the house fits in I have no idea.
Edit: Felix.
@Dopey its not problem at all, I think we have made leaps this week by reading old articles and info I think we keep needing to reviewing it and going over it!
@ ferret
192 often forgets to include wives.
It does? How? It has electoral roll records, wives are supposed to be on these too…
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Funnily enough for this year a friend of mine, if searched by his name on 192.com, shows only his name as living at the property. A search on the wife’s name however shows him as also at the property. In a previous year they were both shown as living next door, with their next door neighbours (which certainly wan’t the case) , so 192.com does have its eccentricities.
What house number is Saad’s Oaken Lane house?
You can see here when properties in the street were last sold
http://www.zoopla.co.uk/house-prices/surrey/claygate/oaken-lane/
Ok, it’s number 26. No sale records for it from 1995 onwards (records only show sales from 1995)
So father must have owned it from before 1995?