My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Could those marks on the bonnet be the girls & she actually fell down from there rather than ‘pistol whipped’, flying within a few days will a fractured skull does not seem credible..
Was the bonnet on top of a cliff?
Perhaps all of her injuries are make believe.
Ken !
“Perfect sense” !!!! “Perfect sense” Are you having a laugh !!!!
OK..have you little game.
Can you please post the link where in it says “Saad was wearing hi seatbelt” ????
@Strawberrry -thanks for the Claygate Primary Sch link.
Notice a special Wednesday 12 september edition of the Friday newsletter which only says;
Over the last week or so we have received many kind messages of support – from schools, friends in the local
community, former staff and parents, and others who have either said they are thinking of the school or have offered
practical support. We very much appreciate everyone’s support and words of comfort at this time.
A bit general? No mention of name,counselling of classmates etc etc.
http://www.claygate.surrey.sch.uk/resources/images/september%2012th%202012.pdf
Ferret 340
Katie (as distinct from kathy)
Is
‘Distraction’
– sometimes all one can do is …p
Service Desk Technician Surrey Satellite Technology Ltd
Privately Held; 201-500 employees; Aviation & Aerospace industry
March 2010 – January 2011 (11 months)
So he knew him from Nov 2010…until Jan 2011.
And don’t forget, bet ya they close for Christmas !
And where are the “other” companies that Saad had.
As mentioned by Gary Aked ?
It must be difficult for you James. but I come from the most informed and enlightenend people on earth, and we just ignore any mentioning of “seatbelts” or any rants from a Washingtonian for that matter. In other words, the word is free and you can post whatever you like, but every word is siphoned and not just accepted out of hand. It must also be reashuring for you lot, that people are not swallowing everything you offer. We are the democratic backbone of the world, that insures that any of you do not go astary. Unfortunately we failed when we were not able to prevent the inasion of Iraq – the greatest strategic blunder in the history of The United States of America, but rest assured: Such a blunder was a one off and is not going to be repeated
Pt 204
We are merely some beings ‘thrashing about ‘in the dark”
But
There is ‘good faith’
‘Thrashing about in the dark’
And there is … ?
More waffle by Kenneth !
I have skimmed his posts..and he says nothing.
Just alot of “shall we ake a website” !!!
Utter rubbish all the time. Total distraction.
N.B. I never believed Ander666 about forum sliders. But I do now.
This Ken is a “pro” at “coing up with a steaming hot plate full of nothing” !
Actually Kenneth…
One last go to redeem yourself, since you also cannot back up the “perfect sense” of Katie and the “Saad had his seatbelt on” link.
Where are Saad’s other companies ?
And why doesn’t the postman remember him from 2008/2009 ?
If 26 Oaken Lane last had a change in ownership in 1995, how did Saad and his brother come to be joint owners?
See also
http://scotlandyard.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/al-hilli-all-in-family.html
and comment. Seems like the advice of an accountant would be needed there!
@Kenneth Sorensen
My theory of your kind
Anyone who doesn’t swallow the official narrative as the Gospel according to the BBC.
No photos, no bodies, no funerals, no news, no anything; single sourcing, two grainy photos.
Psy-op ™ Extraction ™
It was last traded sometime before 1995, but changed hands as a gift within the family/inheritance
Felix
I think we are heading down a “like wise” track here.
Note my comments above.
In awer to you.
Maybe a trust ? A “non profit” Co. Avoidance is legal.
You “avoid” any CGT. Good tax planning. You merely “buy and sell” r exchange the “company” whose asset is the house.
Felix wrote:
Thank you. You’re very kind.
“It was last traded sometime before 1995, but changed hands as a gift within the family/inheritance”
Ken, you’re just a f***ing idiot !
Read the UK tax laws on “gift” and “benefit in kind”.
And please give you learn view on the two points I made to you.
I fear you are out of your depth ole son.
@ Dopey
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/06/article-2198777-14DEF9C4000005DC-37_964x867.jpg
Now that you have mentioned it, the rear passenger-side window could well have been smashed, rather than just shot through like the two front side-windows. As far as I can tell, either that window is wound-down or it has been comprehensively smashed. Maybe he first fired through that window from the outside, but then the crazing of the glass (look at the front passenger window – it is like frosted glass, impossible to see through) impeded his aim and he therefore smashed the window. Then, for 10 cartridge cases to end up inside that car, he would have to have stuck his pistol through the opening.
@ Felix
No photos, no bodies, no funerals, no news, no anything; single sourcing, two grainy photos.
Psy-op ™ Extraction ™
I have been giving some thought to that hypothesis. If that was an “extraction,” it was an incredibly clumsy one: Two daughters left behind, lots of media attention, people like ourselves trying to figure out what happened.
Conversely, if you think about it, it would have been so, so easy to disappear that entire family with a minimum of fuss: The AHs choose a remote spot to pitch their tent. A day or two later, a helpful man like BM suspects that something is amiss, goes to investigate and finds that the entire family have died in their sleep because one of them was stupid enough to take one of these instant barbecues into their tent overnight. Death by carbonmonoxide poisoning. A tragedy, of course, but also their own fault to an extent. The story would just barely make the local papers.
Peter..
I think was once known as “…with extreme prejustice” back “in the day”.
Whom ever did this…and two cannot be ruled out, was “motivated” or/and “use to it”.
That’s my 200 Dirhams worth.
“Death by carbonmonoxide poisoning”
A whole family ?!?!?
I’m just wondering whether its worth getting details for the Clayton property from the Land Registry. I don’t think it’s very much. That would shed light on it.
@ James
That was just an example. It could equally well have been a technical fault with their camping-gaz supply. However, as a matter of fact, one of these portable barbecues would suffice to kill somebody inside a tent. It has happened many times. (And the more people in there, the more oxygen consumers, the quicker the process.)
James, I knew someone would jump on the seatbelt thing.
I can tell you it was mentioned in one of the write ups,don’t which one because there have been so many.
Ferret bless him jumping up & down at the word surveillance, again that was hinted at in earlier reports of his aerial photographic work.
No one is asking you to believe me, I know what I read.
Straw.
There are marks on the bonnet which I have mentioned several times, I wish we had a photo of the car before that day, we don’t.
As for your remark about a cliff …….well !
So you can’t see that a small child gets hit by a stray bullet & falls head first off the bonnet,smashing her face/head on the ground would not give her severe injuries ?
Katie Madness.
Read the first line….then stopped.
“James, I knew someone would jump on the seatbelt thing”
Why Kaie then “post” such a bizarre comment, if it wa not so ?
First prov that to me. (not endma guesses) then I will read your posts.
Fo now, I believe you to be a crackpot, so I don’t bother reading your (and “Ken”‘s) crazy, dreamt up, bizarre “stories”.
N.B. And I doubt a lot of other people dont either ! Crackers !
Kenneth Sorenson, at 2:00pm on 28.9.12:
The Arabian peninsula has sent out trading dhows – yachts – for hundreds of years. These yachts regularly cross(ed) the Indian Ocean, sailing b/w the Arabian peninsula, esp. Oman, and the Malabar coast of south-western India as well as the Makran coast of (what is now) Pakistan. Anyway, we do not know in which waters James might have encountered these yachting Arabs – perhaps they were taking the sea air off the coast of Scotland, who knows?
More information on Surrey Satellite Technology Limited:
http://www.epsrc.ac.uk/newsevents/casestudies/2011/Pages/uksatellitecompany.aspx
300 staff, 34 satellites launched as of 2011.
Oops…
Katie, I read the secnd line
“I can tell you it was mentioned in one of the write ups,don’t which one because there have been so many”.
Now…tell me why you think that is wrong as a statement ?
Do you understand why people (other than Mad Ken) think you’re crazy…and just don’t bother with you ?
Can you see that ?
OR… do you just like writing absoutely anything !!!
@CD
28 Sep, 2012 – 12:55 pm
Not if the property was gifted to SAH either inter vivos (during her lifetime) or on the death of his mother. Indicates some pretty shrewd Inheritance Tax Planning on the part of the family.
Suhayl…
It’s a “famous” joke.
The Arabs I have Met Whilst…. oh don’t bother !
Anyway…Mad Ken is, well “mad”….and his vew on Middle Eastern politics is…well bizarre.
He lives in Norway ! I think that goes a long way in explaining his madness !
Listen up, people.
I suggest you all sit down and listen to the BBC Radio 4 broadcast and pay attention.
I think it’s fairly well balanced, apart from the lack of any substantial reference to SM.
It explains the house thing. It was left to SAH by his mother as he was her favourite son,she wouldn’t leave it to her husband, possibly as protection against bankruptcy,as stated above. But more likely as he was independently wealthy, very wealthy indeed, it makes sense as inheritance tax planning for there to be separate devolution of the parents’ estates.
SAH was embarassed and later gifted a half share in the house to his brother.
I think that’s clear, and it makes perfect sense to me.