My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Just coincidence that Saad told someone he was trying to set up an £800,000 deal, and £800,000 also happens to be the value of the Clayton home too?
… and Zanzibar.
And of course, Monte Carlo is replete with rich Arabs in yachts.
Ah, right, James, at 5:02pm on 28.9.12, thanks. I didn’t realise – silly me!
Nope “Moch69”
It doesn’t say that.
But I think the penny has just dropped here !
I have been pondering all day one thing….and it is along those lines Moch.
I couldn’t find the missing Co’s ! (It’s the Co that ownsthe asset see….not the person !)
Can anyne tell me FOR CERTAIN hen was the marriage of Saad and Ikbal ?
@ james
28 Sep, 2012 – 5:14 pm
Nope. All we know is that they married in 2003 and only six people attended the wedding.
James, it matters not a jot to me if you do or don’t read my posts.
Those who cannot carry information forward in their memory rather than reposting the same links over & over then it’s your/their problem.
I fully accept the journalists have switched reports around & have made many errors, but that is their fault not mine. This blog post was started on the 10th september, I first wrote about it on the 7th but had read everything I could find on it from the start.
2002 James 6 people there
Suhayl…
I may need your help soon…so I am keeping on side with you !
But it is a joke…although Monte C has many arab “ships” there !
@James
28 Sep, 2012 – 5:14 pm
So what does it say then? Bet you a shilling it does .. or something like that.
Straw…
And you don’t happen to know where do you ?
Only I think have found the “missing” companies !!!
Of course it COULD be a company asset .. but there is no evidence of that.
Moch….
S”o what does it say then? Bet you a shilling it does .. or something like that”.
I does….but not in “that” way.
I have been pondering this all bloody day.
No one has answere my “problem” with it.
You wrote what you did….and the penny just dropped !
Bloody thanks to you.
MOCH….
“Of course it COULD be a company asset .. but there is no evidence of that”.
Spot on !
It doesn’t….but it does.
Depends on the company !
From Straw…
“2002 James 6 people there”
BINGO !
James, Weybridge for sure. Registry office maybe. I didnt read this but it was posted as on Friends Reunited
Excuse me James. I have Norwegian friends & they are the most intelligent family, I wonder if anyone will jump on you for racism ?
@James
28 Sep, 2012 – 5:22 pm
You’re welcome!
It says here Weybridge.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199513/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Extraordinary-life-engineer-victim.html
It also says re the 2003 surveillance that they were watching Saad AND his brother. I missed that before.
Right….
And it’s thanks to Bluebird, Anders, Straw…ad Moch69 for asking “the same question” I have bee asking all day.
Th dates, the “time”, and the reasons match.
…and tell Anders, I think I know where his “mossad” come into it as well.
There’s a “missing” pice in Saad’s life.
Infact he “changed the locks” on the house (SOURCE, R4 programme).
Now….add it all up…and ask, why would you do that ??????
Dopey…
“2003 surveillance that they were watching Saad”
That “maybe” true !!!!!
And I think I know why !
Oh come on James. Don’t keep us all in suspenders. What have you found?
Is that why he became a British citizen in 2002 or how/because of.
JON……..are you there ?
I strongly suspect James has had a ‘long lunch’ judging by the number of mistakes he’s making.
anyone noticed the google prompt for saad al-hilli or alps murders…..
Jon if you’re there please ignore Katie. Or make her wear an imaginary seatbelt.
i thought he changed the locks to stop his brother accessing the house ?> that’s what i took from the r4 piece.
Straw…
To be honest… I did not realise it was 2002 that he did that.
But that is “bang on” why.
Just been doing a search…and have one “under costruction” site found.
Which is…. a “PULLED SITE” in his name !
Obviously I am way behind the curve here. I can not say this is new to the U.K. (P.D. to use the name of the famous Ca police service).
And Katie…. love, you’re mad. Full rubbish. You jut concentrate o “what colour Al Hilli’s pants were”….!
Dopey…
“Oh come on James. Don’t keep us all in suspenders. What have you found?”
I don’tknow for sure…buteverything ties up.
Moch69 asked a question…aong the lines I have been asking all day.
And there is an answer to it.
Only when he/she asked it did I “know” ish the answer….but it made sense to all the other stuff.
I haveno idea “how” they were shot. Two. three. One…..gunmen, but I am damn sure I can make a link to “how it came about”.
@ bilbo
Do you mean that when you start typing “Saad” nothing immediately comes up like it used to up till last night?
Because I spot something in a report that you didn’t James, LOVE, don’t say it wasn’t written, I can assure you it was & I thought it odd when I read it…….
As you say , you are way behind the curve….. !
saad al-hilli israel
saad al-hilli dnotice
alps murders mossad
not reading much into it but it is nevertheless interesting (perhaps only to me)
you’ve probably already noticed long ago
No Bilbo, I get : About 7,710 results (0.20 seconds)
If I add Israel I get : About 114,000 results (0.29 seconds)