The Al-Hilli Conundrum 6629

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My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.

Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.

In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.

My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?

Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:

From Janesmith101

All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.

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  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Taken from my site, click on me name:
    [my emphasis]

    THE NEW YORK TIMES, October 31, 2008: Stuart Levey’s War

    By ROBIN WRIGHT

    The best place to get a feeling for the challenge Iran poses to any sanctions program is Dubai, where Levey spent a great deal of time refining his approach. The cosmopolitan emirate, situated near the mouth of the Persian Gulf, is famed for an indoor ski slope and a man-made island in the shape of a palm tree, with villas for the superrich on each frond. But Dubai has also become the latest battleground for Iran and the United States, so in the late summer heat, I walked the concrete path along Dubai Creek, a grimy inlet that winds through a section of town long predating today’s slick skyscrapers. Old wooden dhows, each painted the traditional baby blue and white, were moored four and five abreast for more than a mile along the wharf. Crews using carts were hustling to load televisions and appliances, food and toys, tires and even cars to ferry to Iran.

    Dubai’s citizens, unlike Iranians, are mostly Sunni and Arab. Yet trade across the gulf has gone on so long that many of Dubai’s elite, including members of the emir’s inner circle, are of Iranian descent. Each major change in Iran creates a new wave of migrants: merchants left in the 19th century to avoid Persia’s new tariffs; traditional families fled in the 1930s after the modernizing monarchy banned the chador; modern-minded Iranians left after the 1979 Islamic revolution forced women back into the chador.

    The biggest migration, however, began five years ago, in anticipation of sanctions and other U.S. pressures. Thousands of Iranian businesses simply set up local offices, opened bank accounts and imported goods from abroad to Dubai. When wares arrived, they were turned around and sent to Iran by dhow, container ship or air. “The best place to do business in Iran,” an Iranian businessman quipped, “is in Dubai.” Dubai now has as many Iranians as it does its own citizens. Trade has steadily grown; according to Nasser Hashempour, vice president of the Iranian Business Council in Dubai, it topped $14 billion last year.

    On my first day in Dubai, I had lunch at the Iranian Club, a compound with a sports facility, stadium, theater and hotel. The stadium is where President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad spoke last year. The hotel’s lobby had separate clocks for Tehran and Dubai, a half-hour apart. A manager’s office was decorated with pictures of Ayatollah Khomeini and Hassan Nasrallah, Hezbollah’s leader.

    I later stopped at the Iranian mosque, now being expanded, across from the Iranian Hospital, which has tended to many of Dubai’s royals. I visited the Spice Market and chatted with Iranian merchants. At American University, I was told, Iranians are the second-largest group in the student body. They’re also among the biggest buyers and flippers of Dubai real estate. My hotel overlooking Dubai Creek had an Iranian clientele, an Iranian sports channel available in the rooms and an annex with Iranian-run businesses. It was within two blocks of Tehran Restaurant, Iranian shops where Farsi was more common than Arabic and several Iranian banks.

    {http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/magazine/02IRAN-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&}

  • straw44berry

    Thanks Ken,
    Your page wouldnt open up for me to be able to read more than just the title.

    I do remember seeing a (BBC?) documentary about the little beaches in Iran and the men either being fisherman or dhow traders across to Dubai, I couldnt remember it at all until I read this.
    Cant for the life of me remember the program name otherwise I would try and find it again.

  • Katie

    Bluebird.

    Do you already have this ?

    ” Following the fall of Saddam Hussein, father-of-four Ammar al-Saffar returned to his homeland of Iraq after 16 years. He was kidnapped in 2006 and his London-based family have heard nothing since. His son Ali tells of their anxious wait for news.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7348256.stm

  • Katie

    Felix, those ‘friends’ must have travelled from Pimlico because the family didn’t live there when Saad was 15….so are they in fact relatives ?

  • bluebird

    What james said supports my theory reagarding (at least some individuals of) the al-hilli and the al-saffar families being tied to hezbollah activities AND intelligence service activities.

    We dont know why the killings. Did one of them want to jump out or support the wrong side?

    James suggests that it had to do with iran sanctions. A very likely theory i find logic. On the other side it could have been quite the contrary, too. Breaking the sanctions and working for the wrong side? Also a likely theory. Both theories are the most likely and most logic ones in my opinion.

    Interesting link regarding the current financial problems of hezbollah due to uprise in syria and sanctions to iran. Their members are currently fundraising by doing illegal activities such as money laundering and smuggling.

    http://m.foreignaffairs.com/articles/67997/matthew-levitt/hezbollah-party-of-fraud

    http://nationalinterest.org/article/never-ending-stories-2912?page=2

  • bluebird

    Yes katie. I have this. I posted those links amongst some other links already yesterday.

    Ammar could be the son of sulyhas brother. But i am not sure.
    His family still lives in the uk in middlesex.

  • Katie

    In your photo Felix you see the garage ? It is a very bad state of repair, not up to the standard of its surroundings, neglect,short of cash ?

    Yet he had ‘a bank of computers’ & one worth £20,000.

  • bluebird

    Regarding the fundraising problems of hezbollah (my link regarding that is still in moderation) it came into my mind.

    Did the london hezbollah group perhaps do fundraising for nasrallah and saad was perhaps the postman bringing the cash or similar items to the swiss border where it should be smuggled by a third person across the mountains? That would support a money laundering theory regarding the sanctions that make hezbollah suffering.

    However, if he had a lot of cash or similar in his car as a smuggler, then of course we could not sort out mafia killers and we are back at start.

  • bluebird

    Sorensen,

    The al saffars representing hezbollah were leading members of the bloody uprise in bahrein as well as in some useless uprise attempts in sausi arabia. There came a few al-saffars into custody (jail)

  • bluebird

    Something about the hezbollah international fundraising attempts. (from wikipedia)

    HideMonetary funding

    Mohammed Raad, at one time leader of Loyalty to the Resistance Bloc, said money from Iran came only through private charities to be used for health care, education and the support of war widows. Hezbollah’s main sources of income, he said, are the party’s investment portfolios and wealthy Shiites.[5]The U.S. Treasury Department has also accused Hezbollah of raising funds by counterfeiting U.S. currency.[6] Researchers at the American Naval War College claimed that Hezbollah raises 10-million Ugandan dollars annually in Paraguay,[7]which may, in some cases, be extorted.[6] Dr. Matthew Levitt told a committee of the US Senatethat Hezbollah engages in a “wide variety of criminal enterprises” worldwide in order to raise funds.[8]Operation Smokescreen identified an illegal multimillion-dollar cigarette-smuggling fundraising operation in America.[9]Money is also received from supporters abroad. Mohammed Hammoud was convicted in the United States for “violating a ban on material support of groups designated as terrorist organizations”. The amount was USD 3,500, which Hammoud claimed was to “support Hezbollah’s efforts to distribute books at schools and improve public water systems.”[10]Other sources of Hezbollah funding became evident during a review of the Lebanese-Mexican smuggling network that smuggled 200 illegal Lebanese immigrants in the United States of America. Specifically, after Mahmoud Youssef Kourani, a Lebanese who infiltrated into the United States through the Lebanese-Mexican smuggling network was captured, Mahmound Youssef Kourani admitted spending part of his time in the United States raising money to support Hezbollah—at least $40,000, according to an FBI affidavit. A further check of court records indicated that Kourani told the FBI his brother is the group’s (Hezbollah) chief of military security in southern Lebanon.[11]On October 21, 2008, the Los Angeles Timesreported that an international cocaine smuggling and money laundering ring with alleged connections to Hezbollah was dismantled in Colombia. It is claimed that 12% of the group’s profits went to fund Hezbollah, although no dollar figure was specified.[12]A June 25, 2009 article published by theJamestown Foundation, a respected think tank based in Washington, D.C., reported on the allegations connecting Hezbollah to drug trafficking and money laundering incidents in Curaçao in April 2009 and previous incidents linking Hezbollah to cocaine and money laundering rings dismantled in Colombia and 2008 and a similar ring dismantled in June 2005. The article takes a critical approach to these allegations by questioning the veracity of accusations linking Hezbollah to the drug trade in the Americas. The article also reported that Lebanese organized crime groups are likely to be responsible for drug-related activities in the region and that solid evidence proving the Hezbollah angle to drug-related activities never emerges.[13]in jan 09, 2010 the Der Spiegel says Drug dealers on behalf of Hezbollah transfer millions to Lebanese group via European narcotics transactions.[14] In 2011 the United States Treasury designated Lebanese Canadian Bank SAL a “primary money laundering concern” for its role in money laundering for Hezbollah funder and drug kingpin Ayman Joumaa.[15]In the Golden Triangle region of South-East Asia, Hezbollah generates funding with the heroin trade and reportedly the smuggling of rare or precious items or materials.[16]

  • Kenneth Sorensen

    Bluebird quotes Wikipedia, which he otherwise claims not to hold in great regard – and it is indeed a fact that it is controlled by Pro-zionist editors. Any issue involving Israel/Hetzbollah the latter is treated in not so falttering a light, while people accusing them of something features prominently. It is all so easy to see through, and that’s why I agree ith bluebird that generally one should refrain from using it as a source.

  • Katie

    So I believe Felix.

    He bought that caravan last year after selling a previous one, he owned much which looked affluent,repairs BMW ……but does no paint jobs !

    We have also seen multiple reports about him owning property in Switzerland too, yet nothing more.

  • Katie

    Straw, interesting,didn’t you find it odd that AH would ‘go’ to repair BMW’s ?
    [so the postie said ]
    Was he running a business doing that , how did people contact him or did he just have lots of friends with BMW’s,strange how they never came to him.

  • straw44berry

    Katie, Read back James and DXB all Saad’s time and money in Dubai.

    Saad appears to be seperated Iqbal doesnt live at the house –
    no car
    -not on 192
    -directors address for her is at the accountants, his is at home
    -keys changed she’s moved out
    -no toys in the garden

    she was staying in Reading perhaps now lives there

  • Katie

    Yes read all that Straw. My only doubt was someone saying Igbal gave some sort of supper nights, ‘she did traditional cooking’.
    “lovely family’…’girls were a delight’ & so on.

    If she had moved out it must have been recent.
    My supposition for her not meeting the postman was because if she wore a hijab what a bore to don that just to take the post ?

    “Neighbour Lorna Davey added: ‘It’s shocking. I can’t believe it. They were just like everybody else – very friendly and with two sweet little girls. The family was very westernised. There was no hint of an accent.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2199513/Saad-Al-Hilli-shooting-French-Alps-Extraordinary-life-engineer-victim.html#ixzz27qbN7Kl3

  • Katie

    Dopey, that’s how Gary A met Saad, he Saad, introduced himself saying, ‘we have a mutual friend’
    Gary’s girlfriend.

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