The Al-Hilli Conundrum 6629


My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.

Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.

In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.

My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?

Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:

From Janesmith101

All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police

Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.

Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.

What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?

As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.

http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html

The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.

Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.

An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.

I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.

I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.


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  • beezer

    @ Tony Roma – lovely iran cash money

    Indeed. If you live in a house in your late father’s name, and you really want to carry on living in the property, as Al-Hilli did – but your brother wants half – then you need to pay off the inheritance tax and also pay off your brother.

    Say the house is worth about £900,000. Inheritance tax is 40% of the value above £325,000. That’s £235,000 for the taxman. Your brother is entitled to half the value after tax – £332,500.

    In a high-tech industry with military applications? Need £560k+ quickly? Thought of selling technology to a country that cannot legally acquire it? Course he did.

  • anders7777

    @Felix

    So, again, what evidence is there for anything reported by the MSM? Nothing. Is it just one big psy-op, for whatever deep reason? No interviews or names to witnesses of the alleged killings. No death certificates. (remember that Dr Kelly’s death cert was unsigned and invalid…)

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    Never thought I’d say this in this particular episode, but yes, I grow more and more incredulous.

    These psyops can and do happen, no questio.

    911

    77

    Madrid

    Bali

    Waco

    The Murrah building in OK city.

    WTC 7 in NYC on 911.

    On and on the list goes, ad infinitum.

    Ander B (no @nudi, I did not name myself after the chimera, I have always been Anders on forums, for 20 years +) is a classic example.

    The joker in Aurora is another.

    Neither patsy in court match their pssport photos, school yearbook photos, etc etc.

    Folks NEED to rewatch Wag the Frog, and many more predictive programming and psychic driving movies from HOLLY WOOD.

    We are in spooksville and Tavistockville now, they run the show, with their lapdogs, BBC and sky.

  • Barkbat

    This may well have been already linked but can’t find it.

    This case of a brit assassinated in France has remarkable parallels to the Al-Hilli case.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/nottingham/hi/people_and_places/newsid_9402000/9402414.stm

    In July 1952, 61-year-old Sir Jack set off with his family, from their home in Nottingham, for a holiday on the French Riviera.

    He drove and one night they decided to sleep by the side of a busy road in Provence next to the River Durance.

    By the morning they were dead.

    Sir Jack and his wife, Lady Ann, had been shot. Their daughter Elizabeth had been beaten to death with a rifle butt.

  • anders7777

    @dopey@nudi@golding@cozy@spooks@jamesandbumchums

    Need to read this link by our wonderful SHEEPY at Icke to see the relevant discrepancies, in RED:

    http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=47

    Note the discrepancies being reported regarding Philippe D.

    Mailonline:

    Quote:
    Philippe and two women friends were driving towards the scene on their way to start an overnight trek into the mountains.

    As they approached Chevaline at around 4.10pm, a ‘terrified cyclist’ came hurtling towards them. He was a so far unidentified British RAF veteran who had already reached the scene, but who had been unable to call for help. ‘This man was in a panic and coming down the road,’ said Philippe. Philippe and two women friends were driving towards the scene on their way to start an overnight trek into the mountains.

    ‘This man was in a panic and coming down the road,’ said Philippe. ‘If we had been there a few minutes earlier it could have been us who were dead, rather than the French cyclist,’ said Philippe. ‘We still wonder why he was there on that day.’

    As he went up the forest road, Philippe said he had ‘heard nothing and come across not a single person, no car, no bike.’
    BBC online:

    Quote:
    Meanwhile, a walker has described the moment he came across the scene of the shooting, which happened close to the tourist destination of Lake Annecy, in Chevaline.

    The man, named only as Philippe D, 41, told France’s Le Parisien newspaper he was unable to rouse seven-year-old Zainab al-Hilli, who had been shot and beaten, believing she was dead as she lay on the ground close to the family car.

    He said the situation resembled a scene from a film and said there was an eerie silence in the remote car park where the four people were shot dead.

    The witness said he set out with two friends to go walking and was met by a “panic-stricken” British cyclist – a retired RAF serviceman – in the Combe d’Ire forest. The Briton tried to explain in French the scene he had discovered, the witness was reported as saying.

    The witness said: “I approached the car. I did not touch anything but I saw that there was nothing that could be done. There was no sign of life.”

    Speaking about Zainab, he said: “She did not respond when we addressed her. I clapped my hands but she did not react. I even spoke a few words of English because I saw that the car had a British number plate but nothing happened. As far as I could tell, she was dead.”

    Skynews online:

    Quote:
    A hiker who says he was among the first on the scene of a quadruple murder in the French Alps has spoken of the horrific aftermath of the attack.

    The French man, named only as Philippe D, 41, described how he saw “no sign of life” at the spot where the al Hilli family, on holiday from Britain, were attacked.

    Philippe told Le Parisien newspaper how he had found seven-year-old Zainab, who had been shot in the shoulder and beaten around the head, lying “apparently dead” beside the family’s bullet-riddled car.

    He spoke to the girl and clapped his hands to get a reaction, but there was none.

    “I leaned over the little girl,” he said. “She did not reply to our calls. I clapped my hands, but she was not reacting.

    “I even said a few words in English, as I saw the car had British licence plates, but nothing happened. As far as I was concerned she was dead.”

    The man was alerted to the horror by the so-far unidentified British cyclist who came hurtling down the mountain road towards him.
    Questions…

    1. Who is Philippe referring to when he says he wonders why HE was there on that day? The French cyclist? The RAFman? Mr Al-Hilli and his family? Or himself and his two friends? Strange question to ask if referring to himself.

    2. He says that as he went up the forest road he ‘had heard nothing and come across not a single person, no car, no bike’. But under the same breath says he came across RAFman on a bike. Which is it Philippe? It can’t be both!

    3. Was he driving or was he walking when he came across RAFman?

    Given, these might just be reporting or translation errors, but they still made me sit up and pay attention!

    SHEEPY

  • anders7777

    The witness said he set out with two friends to go walking and was met by a “panic-stricken” British cyclist – a retired RAF serviceman – in the Combe d’Ire forest. The Briton tried to explain in French the scene he had discovered, the witness was reported as saying.

    The witness said: “I approached the car. I did not touch anything but I saw that there was nothing that could be done. There was no sign of life.”

    Speaking about Zainab, he said: “She did not respond when we addressed her. I clapped my hands but she did not react. I even spoke a few words of English

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    so RAFman speaks crappy French to les Frogs

    But les Frog male speaks ENGLISH to the motionless girl?

    RIGHT?

  • anders7777

    The witness said he set out with two friends to go walking and was met by a “panic-stricken” British cyclist

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    OOPS!

    But the French prosecuteur geezer has been bigging up Bomber Watson as having “nerfs off steeelll.”…

  • anders7777

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by fancycat
    haven’t seen this linked,
    http://www.france24.com/en/20120911-…urder-al-hilli

    two people who said they met the RAF cyclist coming down the hill trying to get help/coverage on his phone and they all walked back to the carpark

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    Oh they WALKED did they, not RAN, with a seriously injured child on the road? Bleeding, in shock? Airways etc?

  • tony roma

    the whole story could be smoke and mirrors?
    wt7 most people have never heard of it.
    many modern tall buildings have fires none collapse into themselves as building 7.

    real safe zirconium sales for french corporation to iran it would probably be a mossad hit and a raf mr bean brit screw up.
    faulty zirconium then israel would just love a contained iranian meltdown enough to cover a large area of iran but not sterilize gods chosen ones back home in zion.
    having said that israel’s use of depleted iranium missiles as well as killing people in palestine is also wiping out the sperm of the jewish special ones so maybe netan yahooligan does not care.

    real zirc israel hit
    fake zirc someone decided to spare millions of persian’s by killing a few innocents.

    or it could just be mossad does not want iran being friends with a superb engineer with a varied and ultra adaptable skillset.

  • anders7777

    This man was in a panic and coming down the road,’ said Philippe.

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    Sacre bleu! But he had “nuurffs off steeelll”

  • anders7777

    Originally Posted by crowcrow
    quote from the guardian:

    Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012…?newsfeed=true

    they also mention cctv, looking for other sightings of the ‘green’ 4×4 – i wonder if anything will be found. I know france has far less cctv than the uk, and this being the countryside means there will be even less.
    lol

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    and when diana was assassinated *** all*** the cctv cameras on her fatal route and environs were “accidentally” switched off by les frogs

    they let uncle tom cobbley and all

    all over the crash scene

    they nicked the merc

    they embalmed diana

    no proper post mortem or even inquiry

    no proper coroners verdict

    the same is happening here folks

    the hit zone now ruined by gawkers and press

    not enough cops from minute one

    no road blocks etc

    face it folks

    mi6 and sdece are in cahoots

    most sad is protected

    it’s a lone gunman with a welrod lmao!

  • Chris Jones

    All i know is that the mainstream media knows its a busted flush, and they know that we know they’re a busted flush. Which means that they can either come clean and detach themselves from their paymasters while they can or stay within their spiralling cesspit and desperately try to hold on to an ever decreasing lowest common denomenator public. Either way, they’ve lost. But they are getting desperate which will mean bigger and bigger pantomine shows and neurotic desperation.The BBC and the mainstream media have become decrepid spinsters screaming at their world weary cats. Their time is up and they know it

  • anders7777

    Originally Posted by crowcrow
    Quote from the Guardian:

    Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012…?newsfeed=true

    They also mention CCTV, looking for other sightings of the ‘green’ 4×4 – I wonder if anything will be found. I know France has far less CCTV than the UK, and this being the countryside means there will be even less.

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    There will be ZILCH because Les Frogs are in cahoots with our masters here …

  • anders7777

    Originally Posted by davebrooker
    Why would Mossad bother with forums?

    When caught red handed they don’t even care, if they end up being implicated in this event will they even care?

    They seem to be able to act with impunity anywhere on earth, western – so called democracies – seem unwilling or unable to have the balls to ever be critical of them?

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    Victor Ostrovsky, a former Israeli Mossad agent and now best-selling author, became internationally famous in 1990 when he published his first book “By Way of Deception”, which documented the outrages committed by the Israeli secret service.

    The Mossad, considered by intelligence experts to be the most ruthless spy agency in the world, doesn’t take kindly to defectors, and Ostrovsky’s life has been in danger ever since he went public with his first blockbuster book.

    Some year ago Ostrovsky brought out his second explosive expose “The Other Side of Deception”, creating a furore in the Zionist state when excerpts were published in the largest Israeli newspaper Yediot Ahronot.

    Over the years there have been claims and counter-claims of Mossad involvement in Australia. The Israeli secret service prefers to operate well away from the spotlight of publicity. In this exclusive interview New Dawn asked the courageous whistle blower, Victor Ostrovsky about his books, the current situation in the Middle East, the powerful U.S. Israeli lobby, and Mossad links in Australia.

    New Dawn: As the author of two best selling books on the Mossad, can you provide a brief outline of what led to your efforts to expose the machinations of the Israeli secret service?

    Ostrovsky: I believe in my second book The Other Side of Deception I explained what brought this action. I joined with a group of people to bring an end to the actions of the Mossad. I wanted to stop the Mossad’s uses and abuses of the Israeli and outside Jewish communities. The sad thing is many people who are suffering from the Mossad’s abuse of power, also support it.

    New Dawn: What was the reaction of the Israeli government and the Israeli lobby worldwide to the revelations in your first book By Way of Deception?

    Ostrovsky: Interesting. The Mossad desperately wanted to buy time. In response to questions in the [Israeli] Knesset, the Mossad admitted they wanted to buy time to stop the publication of By Way of Deception so they could kidnap me. Thus, even if the book were published, there would be no author available to back up, verify and promote its contents. The Mossad in kidnapping Mordechai Vanunu and putting him away in jail, stopped him from elaborating his story. The Israeli government attempted to legally stop the book from being published. However, they found it practically impossible to fulfil, what was essentially, Mossad’s request. Jewish communities around the world reacted to the book as told to by the Israeli government. Actually, the organised Jewish communities have no opinion of their own – they are driven communities – told what to think. They respond accordingly. It’s sad.

    New Dawn: From our experience here in Australia, whenever an individual or organisation speaks out against Mossad activities or Israeli actions, they are immediately branded an ‘anti-Semite’, ‘lunatic’, or ‘right-wing extremist’…

    Ostrovsky: Well, this is a modus operandi. This is how the Mossad activates all its forces or groupies to stop any activities against them. This is what the ADL [Anti-Defamation League] does regularly. Of course, they are well connected with the media and a lot of media rely on their financial support.

    Also a misconception is formed through the use of these terms – if somebody is against the policies of the Israeli government, it means they’re anti-Israel, not an anti-Semite. An anti-Semite is an ugly person who hates a group of people because of their origin. Anti-Israel can be equated with being anti-Chinese, anti-South Africa, etc. There is a big difference here. People have the right to disagree with the policies of countries.

    New Dawn: In April this year you were interviewed on ABC Radio about your latest book The Other Side of Deception. You commented that “a lot of the segments of the Australian secret service report first to Mossad.”

    Ostrovsky: Here we are dealing with operandi. Look at Vanunu’s case. Australian intelligence agencies immediately told the Mossad about Vanunu [when Vanunu was in Australia just before his kidnapping]. Why? They admit it. It’s not a secret. Australian intelligence agencies have people directly linked to the Mossad – they work with them. Usually it’s people on the mid-level who will be liaising with the Mossad, and will pass everything on. The Mossad will make an intelligence request, and the Australian intelligence services will give. They view it from the perspective that Israel is a Western country, so why not help?

    New Dawn: In the same interview you said that the Mossad goes into Jewish communities around the world and uses them as a resource. Is this happening in Australia?

    Ostrovsky: Of course it does. It happens everywhere. But they don’t like to admit it. To give an example, when an Israeli ‘celebrity’ comes to visit and speak at a Jewish community function or the like, you’ll find all these local people checking for bombs, doing the security, etc. Where do you think they got their training? Look in my first book [By Way of Deception] to discover in detail what I’m saying…. The Mossad gives instructions to all [Israeli] lobbies over the world, so you’re not unique in any way.

    New Dawn: What about Mossad activities in the Asia/Pacific region?

    Ostrovsky: I think it’s generally friendly territory. There’s no real need for the Mossad to play a major role while the situation stays as it is. They do have a lot of companies which are used for deep cover activities. The Mossad is very well entrenched in Indonesia and Japan. In fact, they’re in Indonesia with the knowledge of the government, and with their permission.

    New Dawn: Given the changes in the Middle East since the 1991 Gulf War, what role does the Mossad currently play in both regional and international affairs?

    Ostrovsky: Put simply – doing everything it can to stop the Middle East peace process.

    New Dawn: A number of fearless, ‘dissident’ Jewish writers such as Alfred Lilienthal, Noam Chomsky and Israel Shahak document the special relationship between Israel and the U.S. How does the Mossad influence U.S. foreign policy, particularly as it relates to the Middle East?

    Ostrovsky: Money, money, money. They obtain vast sums of money from the United States, only to use it to buy politicians – and not just in the United States, it happens everywhere. What’s an honest politician? One that’s once bought, stays bought!

    New Dawn: In your 1990 book By Way of Deception you wrote that the “Zionist dream” has degenerated into the “present day nightmare”. Would you care to elaborate on this degeneration and the current state of Israeli affairs? Do you see any positive developments on the horizon?

    Ostrovsky: In fact, I think there’s a change for the better. We have a very courageous government in Israel, but it’s really a funny situation. The former governments of Israel created a monster in the diaspora [dispersed Jews who haven’t returned to the Israeli state]. The diaspora had been told that things are really bad, and they reacted accordingly in supporting, financially and otherwise, Israeli government policies.

    Now, the current Israeli government says peace is possible, and the same Jewish communities who had fed them so much have turned against them. Now the diaspora communities are trying to stop Israeli government efforts for peace, so it’s quite a futile situation.

    [And] we have the messianics and right-wingers, especially those on the West Bank – which is occupied territory – in Israel pushing for a ‘Greater Israel’. These people use the outside Jewish communities to pressure the Israeli government into give into their demands.

    New Dawn: Can you tell us something about your new Internet e-magazine ‘Spytalk’, which incorporates the Mossad Watch Dog Committee?

    Ostrovsky: Instead of watching just one intelligence operation, ‘Spytalk’ will focus on all intelligence agencies. Our first issue will contain a piece on how intelligence agencies are watching the [World Wide] Web. Many people are talking about how the CIA is infiltrating the Internet, trying to somehow control it. One must remember the American military created the Internet as a means of worldwide communication in the event of a nuclear war with the Soviet Union. So, they already have it, because they created it. But, of course, when something grows too big, then nobody can maintain control for long.

    New Dawn: Finally, what can the individual do to help focus world public attention on the Mossad’s destructive activities?

    Ostrovsky: Yes, individuals can do a lot. Write about it, talk about it, ask questions about it. Make it an issue.

    Poisoning the well (or attempting to poison the well) is a rhetorical device where adverse information about a target is pre-emptively presented to an audience, with the intention of discrediting or ridiculing everything that the target person is about to say. Poisoning the well can be a special case of argumentum ad hominem, and the term was first used with this sense by John Henry Newman in his work Apologia Pro Vita Sua (1864).[1] The origin of the term lies in well poisoning, an ancient wartime practice of pouring poison into sources of fresh water before an invading army in order to diminish the invading army’s strength.

  • tony roma

    phillip d

    if he is the lucky liberator of libya with the bbc both given a ring side seat at the slaughter of gaddaffi.
    if phillip is the same phillip he speaks very good english as he has worked for many news corporations and probably many government agencies.

    if this scumbag foto hack also took the crime scene foto’s something is really rotten in denmark

  • anders7777

    CANADAman again:

    It is interesting how little has emerged about Cezus worker Sylvain Mollier. There are some links posted earlier in this thread about the factory where he worked, Cezus Ugine. This is where zirconium is melted along with other metals to form an alloy called zircaloy. This is sent further up the Cezus production line, with the end product being tubes for nuclear fuel rods.

    “The Cezus Affair” involved the zircaloy cladding for the tubes produced at Cezus Palmboeuf, which are loaded with nuclear fuel elsewhere to become nuclear fuel rods. Over an 18-month period beginning in 1998, about 900,000 tubes were produced and shipped to nuclear reactors internationally. Some of the zircaloy cladding on the tubes produced by Cezus was incomplete. The company became aware of the defect, but did not immediately report the problem to regulatory authorities. It is unclear from the reports released to the public exactly where the tubes with defective cladding ended up.

    [link to http://www.wise-paris.org]

    What if all the defective rods ended up in one reactor, and were all in use at the same time? What if they ended up at an older reactor that had already had problems in the past? What happened when MOX was used? Implications?

    The zircaloy issue and Sylvain Mollier’s work at Cezus deserves more attention. Some reports say he was just a factory worker, others say he was in research and development. This is no minor detail. Look at what happened to Lachlan Cranswick, a scientist who researched zircaloy corrosion, among other things, at the Chalk River nuclear plant in Canada. The plant had leaked tritium into the Ottawa River. And the river is where Cranswick was eventually found dead.

    There’s an interesting, albeit not relevant to this story, aside to this. As it turns out, the biological father of ex-RCAF colonel, base commander and convicted sex killer Russell Williams was a also a research scientist who worked at Chalk River nuclear plant in the 1960s, and held a patent for zircaloy-2. Chalk River was part of the Manhattan Project, and is located near a military base. Russell William’s adoptive father was also a scientist who worked at Chalk River, and later joined ITER in Cadarache, France.

    For anyone who doesn’t know, research scientists sign secrecy agreements to protect their work. Families may have no clue what the work is about, and shouldn’t if the secrecy agreement is being upheld.

    So what about Sylvain Mollier? Could he be a target, or the target, rather than a passerby out for a spin on his bike? The story for Lachlan Cranswick was that he took a walk around midnight in the middle of winter and vanished. Haven’t other nuclear scientists have gone out for a walk and vanished, only to turn up dead later?

    What did Sylvain Mollier’s work really involve, and what did he know or see relating to that work? Until those questions are answered, he cannot be dismissed as a happenstance victim, IMO. Don’t hold your breath waiting for the truth.

  • anders7777

    @Tony Tony Toneeeeeee!

    See the luvverley jubbly photos of the FAKE parrot off his perch Gaddafi here!

    IT IS A MUST LOOK

    http:

    //www.davidicke.com/

    forum/showthread.php?t=221659&page=48

    SLEUTHING at Icke by Strawberry and Sheepy!

    ACE FUCKING WORK!!!!!!!

    Originally Posted by sheepy
    Nice find, Strawberry!

    A quick google search renders that Philippe Desmazes gets some pretty cushy photography jobs (almost always in the right place at the right time if you know what I mean ).

    Take for example, this one (just plucking a random photograph from his repertoire ).

    http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/chrisl…rticle=9284861

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    Great work all along sheepy!!!! I can trust a few here!

    Now this is a PEACH!

    See how we are being massaged folks???

    Btw

    The agencies like Mossad and CIA etc

    Have SLEEPERS at all the big forums

    Here

    Glp

    CM

    D spy

    ATS

    PRISONPLANET

    ETC ETC ETC

    THEY will have long opened multiple accounts under multiple IDs

    They will build up posting histories on low risk subjects

    And when the time comes

    WHAMMO!

    THE TWIST GOES IN

    They will support each other and newbies

    All often the same person in a cubicle in tel aviv or Langley

    Teams of them like a boilerhouse!

    Geddit???

    Your comment is awaiting moderation.

  • anders7777

    phillip d

    if he is the lucky liberator of libya with the bbc both given a ring side seat at the slaughter of gaddaffi.
    if phillip is the same phillip he speaks very good english as he has worked for many news corporations and probably many government agencies.

    if this scumbag foto hack also took the crime scene foto’s something is really rotten in denmark

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    OOPS!!!

    LOOKS LIKE HE IS!!!

    lets get on it folks

    do some DIGGING!

  • anders7777

    The french security services are working with the british security services.

    Next comes…

    The french ambassador is working with the british ambassador.

    Next comes…

    Hollande is talking to Cameron

    Next Comes…

    The french cops are working with the british cops.

    Next comes…

    LE STITCHUP!!!

  • anders7777

    The brilliant EMPEE at Icke:

    Originally Posted by empee
    Was just reading an article in the Independant on the 10th Sep by Cahal Milmo and John Lichfield where they surmise

    Another feeble attempt to keep Mollier as the ‘innocent passing cyclist’ in the story, yet we know from RAFmans testimony that Mollier had turned left and onto the 200m stretch or so, up to where the BMW was parked.

    By the time RAFman was just short of the same left hand turn, the 4×4 and the motorbike appeared from the south and followed Mollier up the path. RAFman then stumbled on the grizzly scene. The 4×4 and motorbike seemingly escaping back to the south on the poor road system, if you can call it that.

    PS Cahal Milmo is the grandson of Helenus ‘Buster’ Milmo who was in the Prosecution Team at the Nuremburg trials. Buster was also a member of MI5. They do like to keep it in the family what what

    =====
    What fucking what indeed, the slimy retarded chinless gurning Oxbridge Secondary Modern bastards!!!

    Great sleuthing EMPEE, I am going to post this over at Craig Murray as all those Smiley’s People inbred fucking bastards are all over there hovering for scraps like vultures over a rotting fucking corpse!

    Been posting a lotta stuff from here to there, gotta get the word out!

    Also, notice how the Independent sez:

    “The gunMAN then shot…”

    So it was just Jesse James all on his lonesone, eh, you snivelling cockroaches of the press!!!

    It was just Colonel Custer SANS his fucking cavalry, was it, you bastards???!!!???

    Billy the FUCKING Kid was it, eh, eh, eh???!!!???

    Wyatt FUCKING Earp was it, you lickspittle toadying Murdoch-gobbling parasites of the 4th estate!!!

    Wild Bill Hick-[Thats enough, Ed.]

    YOUR TIME IS UP MOTHERFUCKERS!

    YOU ARE GOING DOWWWNNN BABY, DOWWWWNNNNNN!!!!

  • tony roma

    how does a foto journo hack witness at murder scene lucky scoopman phillip d.
    how is mr lucky who sells his death fotos around the world of the crime scene. how is he allowed to hang around snappy snapping instead of being questioned at a local police station.
    he is allowed because he is one of them a good western military asset.
    i wonder does he have to split the death foto profits which are massive with any of these agencies or is it double bubble all the way foto fees and government wages.

    mr phillip and mr raf seem to be hero’s to the froggie head copper running this badly scripted pantomime.

    maybe the french and brit hero’s love the thrill of the chase and the smell of blood.
    getting paid for it is a special bonus.
    or maybe it is just a job to them.

  • anders7777

    @davelandy

    I think they have been trying to shift the topic off the censored subjects in the UK press, namely Al Hilli’s involvement with the nuclear industry (incl SILEX?), possible speculation about the role of Mossad in the killings, and so on.

    What do you think?

    =====
    Hi mate.

    Been caching up, I keep VERY late hours, kid in the USA, know what I mean? Skype and so on. Gotta fight off the dragon-mother etc.

    Anyhoos.

    Yes our CANADAman chatter. This geezer is very very VERY clued up ref the nuke angle and chemistry and etc etc etc.

    He has GONE OUT OF HIS WAY to post on a rather obscure but popular dump (forum), that has banned me dozens and dozens of times.

    I am still banned but I have ways around it, wink.

    Back in the day, I started a thread about Tony Blair, Dunblane, Hamilton, Guns, Child Sex Rings, and so on.

    Concentrating on the paedophile rings THEN, still endemic NOW.

    Cf. Holly Greig, Kincora, North Wales, Haute de la Garenne, and so on.

    If anything, with the latest digital tech, far far worse these days…

    Musta been a decade ago, give or take.

    Thread went to hundreds of pages, thousands, into SERIOUS territory, over the best part of a year or so. No censorship back then, you see. After a while, I am doing my usual HARD DATA stuff, with comments a la Anders7777, Coppers(mostly ex) started posting what appeared to be real stuff, Social Workers (bear in mind this was mainly about a paedophile cover-up pre Operation Ore), all sorts of real honest people, Civil Servants, the works. All had stories to tell of the depravity going on, and who was doing WHAT in the political/police/spook class.

    The whole smorgasbord.

    I was told by the then-friendly owners and others that the thread was being monitored to the nth degree by hundreds of agencies: rand, halliburton, langley, mod, rockwell, china, france, washington, MOD, nsa, gchq, tel aviv, you name it, the thread was HOT. Hundreds of spooky agencies that had really no business on a paedophile thread.

    Get me?

    Then one day out of the blue the whole sodding site HOSTING the thread disappeared, puffft, gone down the plughole.

    Huge American site.

    10 days later, like the Phoenix, it relaunches.

    Thread gone. Vamoosed. GONE!

    Bought out by USAF money.

    Old owner, a woman, made 100s of 1000s of dollars.

    Matt Lucas:USAF links. Still running it. Hoover job NOW and CIA/NSA to the MAX.

    The thread scared too many people at the top, and like the 911 movement, all was quashed.

    OK – enough about that.

    CANADAman has been giving lots and lots of HARD DATA.

    AT THE SAME CIA SITE

    This is NOT a coincidence. I have posted MUCH here.

    Latest stuff is to do do with lasers hitting matter, a la SILEX, but anyways, read the CANADAman chatter above, someone is telling us something.

    I suspect it is to do with lasers/fusion, just a hunch. Mix that angle in with skill sets including nukes, metallurgy, see through cloud satellites, and all the rest…

    Cheers Dave!

    A

  • anders7777

    @Toneeeeee!

    I could’n’alf do with a Quattro Formaggi now, 24 inch, thin ‘n’ crispy, treble anchovies, double cheese, easy on the cucumber, and a crate of Stella, ta!

  • anders7777

    From ben sandz at Icke at 6am… ish

    Originally Posted by bensandz
    Vehicles
    If it was a lone gunman, then likely that he was just on a motorcycle. Why? Motorcycle provides ability to go across the 2.5km non-paved track that links on to the route leading to Swiss border => perfect escape route.
    But what caused the car to violently reverse into the embankment? Would a motorcyclist pointing a gun at one’s car make one want to reverse or drive at him/his motorcycle? Or was Saad al-Hilli so frantic that he accidentally put it in reverse instead of drive?
    If the road was blocked with a bigger vehicle (i.e. a 4×4) then one would have no choice but to reverse.

    Position of Victims
    Per this graphic.
    The position of Mollier is most curious. How did he manage to get so close to the vehicle before being shot?
    Did Mollier arrive during the shooting or just prior? If he arrived during, then I would expect that he would have been spotted before he got so close to the car and been shot some distance away. If he had arrived prior he could have been talking to al-Hilli through the drivers window and upon seeing gunman tried to escape- being shot in the process.
    Another possibility is that Mollier did arrive during the shooting, was shot 5 times at long/mid-range (to centre of mass) and his momemtum carried him closer to the car where he collapsed on the ground; at which point the gunman put 2 further bullets in his head.
    I think the 7-year old was seated in the front passenger seat and the 4-year old would be seated between the grandmother and mother in the back of the car / on the knee.
    First priority of gunman would have been taking out Saad al-Hilli (as driver of BMW) and depending on what side of the vehicle the gunman approached, he may not have wanted to step in front of it while Saad was still alive in fear of being run over. It is possible that he
    initially disabled Saad from the front passenger-side window, shooting across the 7 year old
    she leans forward-left to try and get out of the car and is shot in the right shoulder
    gunman then shoots and disables both mother and grandmother from back-left passenger window (excessive gunfire explains blasted out window)
    goes around to drivers-side window to put two bullets in Saad al-Hilli’s head
    7-year old now gets out of the front passenger seat and tries to escape
    gunman grabs her, strikes her violently and then escapes himself.

    ex-RAF
    If we accept that ex-RAF saw either a motorcycle, 4×4 or both go past him towards the scene and that the gunman resided in one of the two vehicles then we should reasonably assume that the gunman knew that ex-RAF would be at the scene within a matter of minutes.
    If ex-RAF was a British operative (so-called “handler”, “protection” etc) then why would the adversary spare him? Did the adversary not know that he was a British operative (through poor surveillance/intelligence gathering)? Did the adversary deliberately leave him unharmed?

    -BS

    =====
    Cheers! I’m knackered and off to bed, but see if I can respond a bitz…

    Vehicles
    If it was a lone gunman, then likely that he was just on a motorcycle. Why? Motorcycle provides ability to go across the 2.5km non-paved track that links on to the route leading to Swiss border => perfect escape route.

    Yes…

    But what caused the car to violently reverse into the embankment? Would a motorcyclist pointing a gun at one’s car make one want to reverse or drive at him/his motorcycle? Or was Saad al-Hilli so frantic that he accidentally put it in reverse instead of drive?

    I am hearing it was a manual, not an auto…

    If it was me I’d probably duck under the dash and cream the muthafucka in 1st gear max revs…

    If the road was blocked with a bigger vehicle (i.e. a 4×4) then one would have no choice but to reverse.

    Yes, panic mode, the guy was a middle aged designer, fat, not a spooky tape like RAFman…

    Position of Victims
    Per this graphic.
    The position of Mollier is most curious. How did he manage to get so close to the vehicle before being shot?
    Did Mollier arrive during the shooting or just prior? If he arrived during, then I would expect that he would have been spotted before he got so close to the car and been shot some distance away. If he had arrived prior he could have been talking to al-Hilli through the drivers window and upon seeing gunman tried to escape- being shot in the process.
    Another possibility is that Mollier did arrive during the shooting, was shot 5 times at long/mid-range (to centre of mass) and his momemtum carried him closer to the car where he collapsed on the ground; at which point the gunman put 2 further bullets in his head.
    I think the 7-year old was seated in the front passenger seat and the 4-year old would be seated between the grandmother and mother in the back of the car / on the knee.

    Yes, confusion here, only one child seat? If I was father i wd have youngest in chikd seat and 7 year old wherever…

    First priority of gunman would have been taking out Saad al-Hilli (as driver of BMW) and depending on what side of the vehicle the gunman approached, he may not have wanted to step in front of it while Saad was still alive in fear of being run over.

    Definitely, so approaches quickly and point blank into RHD window…

    It is possible that he
    initially disabled Saad from the front passenger-side window, shooting across the 7 year old

    I don’t see why not?…

    she leans forward-left to try and get out of the car and is shot in the right shoulder

    NO

    If u can believe the official story, which has more holes in it than Zsa Zsa Gabor’s knickers, 7 year old was out of the car when the shooting started

    antsy

    toilet break

    whatever

    stray bullet?

    but u cannot trust the story as it keeps morphing…

    gunman

    you keep saying MAN singular

    i say kidon team as above

    2 shooters

    but OK, shooter wd know SAH likely unarmed

    once he was taken out, rest is like shooting fish in a barrel…

    then shoots and disables both mother and grandmother from back-left passenger window (excessive gunfire explains blasted out window)
    goes around to drivers-side window to put two bullets in Saad al-Hilli’s head

    ok…

    7-year old now

    see above…

    gets out of the front passenger seat and tries to escape
    gunman grabs her, strikes her violently and then escapes himself.

    ok…

    ex-RAF
    If we accept that ex-RAF saw either a motorcycle, 4×4 or both

    i dont, he is being proven to be a flat out liar

    I have said this all along tbh about hime

    hence the disparaging RAFman tag…

    go past him towards the scene and that the gunman resided in one of the two vehicles then we should reasonably assume that the gunman knew that ex-RAF would be at the scene within a matter of minutes.
    If ex-RAF was a British operative (so-called “handler”, “protection” etc) then why would the adversary spare him?

    mossad dont generally whack Brit operational spies

    just like crims in the UK dont shoot coppers

    wrath descends if they do…

    Did the adversary not know that he was a British operative (through poor surveillance/intelligence gathering)? Did the adversary deliberately leave him unharmed?

    yed/no

    no/yes

    and combinations thereof i think

    i say with near certainty RAFman was a spook

    the hit was a TEAM

    2 shooters

    state sponsored

    UK MSM afraid to mention mossad

    sayanim like jack saltman talking bollocks

    the new Phillip D MAY be a famous war photographer

    another sayanim-type

    etc

    extrapolate from there

    ???

    I’m off to beddy byes

    good stuff!

    A

  • Felix

    Prosecutor’s Press conference today, as tweeted by the ubiquitous @LeilaLamnouer – expect more obfuscation and unbelievable stories from him.
    Ms L was feeding the BBC really early I notice:

    Vanessa Clarke @Clarkevanessa
    We’ll be speaking to French journalist Leila Lamnaouer for updates on the story on @bbcbreakfast in the next few minutes
    10:37 PM Sep 5th

    Perhaps it’s a lucky journalistic breakfor @LeilaLanaouer to have this circus on her doorstep. This is what her paper writes today:
    Tuerie de Chevaline: le procureur va rencontrer le père et la veuve du cycliste savoyard mercredi 12 septembre – the prosecutor will meet the father and widow of the cyclist…

    Interesting.

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