My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
Beezer, we could have told them that a week ago!
@ferret
@Dave B
Thanks for the link… holy cr@p batman… so they planted the strange “Balkan-looking guy” story yesterday (what exactly does a “Balkan” guy look like, after all), and the story of the Skorpion as the “probable” weapon yesterday, so people would start to fit all this sh1t together?!? That’s amazing… But that’s psy-ops for you. As you say, 7.65mm is the signature hit of weapon of the Oy Vey brigade… and still no nuke links… D notice still very much in effect then…
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More to be trusted camp site dwellers say this ‘Balkan’ geezer was in fact an Italian and they all knew him. SAH would come and go, that is the nature of a camp site, off running errands, buying food, topping up GAZ cannisters, and so on. Been there done that, unlike the Smiley’s People shills here who have no clue, never having ventured astray from Pall Mall.
I have a very detailed account which shoots down all this planted crap about a suss ‘Balkan’ – I may already have posted it, but probably not, didn’t get around to it yesterday.
No doubt @badger and @chums will think it IRELEVANT anyhow, so I can’t be arsed.
…and “re sealed the site” !!!!
Press Conference :
Maillaud has nothing to say.
He buries the whole thing saying “all big inquiries lasted 6 months, 3 years or 10 years before being solved, so don’t expect this one to be solved any soon”.
And add at the end that there won’t be more press conference before someone is arrested.
He prepared the audience to await not much from the 7yo.
And mocked the idea that it could be a secret service.
You can move on people, there is no country like France to talk to say nothing and to bury state affairs.
oh anders stop sulking and post it. I like reading your stuff.
Leila Lamnaouer @leilalamnaouer
Départ vers 7h pour Londres arrivée en milieu de matinée puis direction Claygate #tuerie #chevaline
He’s off to London at 7am tomorrow arriving in Claygate mid morning.
That’ll be for the grand opening of the safe – well, the official opening anyway.
BAJER writes (at position 12th Sept 2012 at 9.38am) PARAPHASED here
This thread has become a joke. Dozens of posts about Phillipe D being the photo journalist – with absolutely no reason to believe that he was.
Regurgitated crap copied and pasted between forums by paranoid delusionals who believe that every second poster here is a spy out to derail the thread –
when in fact it is the paranoid delusionals who are doing the most to derail the thread and swamp it with crap.
I notice that the bullshit level increases the later in the day it gets – probably in line with the amount of alcohol that is being consumed.
Every little discrepancy that is reported is jumped upon and heralded as some sort of proof that this is a government conspiracy.
These discrepancies happen all the time with journalists – especially if there is translation involved.
This is a very interesting case, and there may well be secret services involved.
But there has been very little, if any evidence of that so far, and if such evidence does come along, it is in danger of being lost in the mountain of crap that is being posted.
MONTYW writes
@ Bajer – I fully agree with your posting!
Nuid Writes (after Ferret)
@Bajer
Well said
FERRET comments are thus….. (paraphrased)
@Badger
LOL that’s very funny, that actually had me laughing out loud.
Are you seriously suggesting that Anders7777 was derailing this thread (by posting useful and interesting info from other threads)
whereas James, Anton, Bluebird & crew were not (by flooding this thread with endless discussion of irrelevant topics)?
Good one!!!
I have to write…..
I am in agreement with Bajer, Montyw and Nuid
Constantly being “shouted down” by “oldtimers”.
Makes me wonder “why” they have been here so long ?To find “wrong doing”…or to refute logical attitudes of others ?
I await the usual “shrill, troll, spook, spy etc, etc” from the usual suspects !!!!
Lamnaouer Leila @ leilalamnaouer
Leila Lamnaouer @leilalamnaouer
Arrêter de fantasmer autant avec l’Irak en imaginant des scénarios #chevaline #tuerie
I don’t think I need to translate that.
He’s pissed off. You’ve been warned!
“That’ll be for the grand opening of the safe – well, the official opening anyway.”
That could prove very interesting. Depending on whether they tell us exactly what’s in it.
@guyfawkes
Been lurking for a while. But to add regarding Technology transfer. Don’t forget the missing section of roof rack on the vehicle.
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SAH had, at the camp site, a red mountain bike on the roof rack. Believe his daughter had a small pink bike. It has been my belief for a while that RAFman “may” have been stranded in an almighty fuck-up, perhaps monitoring the RV between Sylvain and SAH from the trees. Perhaps sitting in the car with SAH for an hour, waiting for someone – Sylvain. At any rate the hit happens, if Mossad they do NOT kill a British operational spy, RAFman in a panic drags the MTB off the roof rack, breaking it as we can see from the photos. Good roof racks have locks. Where is the broken roof rack remnants? Dunno, launched into the trees way down the road? Anyhoos he grabs the bike and later claims to be a cyclist. Dunno why, probably sounds better than a hiker shlepping/beasting up an unscenic forest road. Most hikers drive to the top, then set off on foot in the various trails up there. Our hero RAFman then cycles down the hill for help. Wouldn’t carry a cell if a spook, for location services reasons, but *would* have a .mil phone. Can’t call help with it for obvious reasons, but CAN call the Paris field office for a MayDay. Dunno if the plants who say they saw RAFman in a panic mentioned if he came down by bike or not, can’t remember, but if he didn’t, he should have.
“That’ll be for the grand opening of the safe – well, the official opening anyway.”
That could prove very interesting. Depending on whether they tell us exactly what’s in it.
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LOL
@dopey
Just woke up Anders?
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Yes daahhling, beddy byes at 7 for me.
@dopey
Just woke up Anders?
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Been at it all day have we. Take it you don’t have a day job?
LOL.
@jame
Constantly being “shouted down” by “oldtimers”.
Makes me wonder “why” they have been here so long ?To find “wrong doing”…or to refute logical attitudes of others ?
I await the usual “shrill, troll, spook, spy etc, etc” from the usual suspects !!!!
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Who are the “oldtimers” pray?
Not me, that’s for sure. Lurk here now and again as Craig has an excellent blog, but it is all too cozy and comfy for me tbh.
Ok, Prosecutor re-stated that “ex-RAF” man saved little girl according to tweeter
“Composition du 18 peut être fait par autre que le cycliste mais c’est lui qui a sauvé la petite fille et découvert la scène #chevaline”
I’m not seeing how leaving the scene and worse, leaving her for dead, constitutes saving her life. Or is the prosecutor hiding something more again.
But if she was apparently on her feet minutes before Philippe D comes across her face down to the ground (is that correct?) and apparently dead, how has she gone from alive and walking to seemingly dead so quickly, that even ex-RAF man doesn’t stay with her?
It has to be the opening of the safe or to see what has already been removed, the electronic data he mentioned could all be viewed remotely.
Why is this moving so slowly, no urgency to find the car to stop the car or to even stop people at borders, check area CCTV etc, they havent re-questioned the RAF guy yet about the car or to confirm the colour???.
When the Mossad took out the guy in Dubai the authorities knew everything within a day or two???…………..not that they could ever catch them!
Nothing adds up and the info changes daily, I look forward to the conferences but know that guy wont say anything! and now its going to take months???? it doesant
Or does “ex-RAF” man stay and only Phillipe D and party run for help downhill? Did anyone guide the emergency services to site? If so did they pick up maybe “ex-RAF” guy on the way from where the phone call was made. The question of how long the site might have been left unattended after the first “discovery” seems possibly important.
@dopey
oh anders stop sulking and post it. I like reading your stuff.
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Pretty please???
Oh, OK then :O)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/11/french-alps-shooting-cyclist-girl?newsfeed=true
A member of staff at Village Camping Europe denied the family had left suddenly. She said: “They came to stay with us on Saturday evening and left on Monday. That was pre-planned.”
She dismissed suggestions that Hilli behaved oddly during his stay, adding: “There was nothing strange. All families leave the campsite at all sorts of times to run errands, go to the shop, organise activities, that sort of thing.”
She added that comments about a mysterious man described as appearing “to come from the Balkans” were “ridiculous”.
She said: “That was an Italian man who was here. He left and got on his plane, as was planned.”
Speculation about Philippe Desmazes as Phillipe D was obviously going to happen. Which French dimwit journalist thought it would be a good idea to identify a prime witness as “Phillipe D” when a quick web search would confirm the only obvious Philippe D involved with the scene as “Philippe Desmazes/AFP”
Dopey, I thought about this as well. However it is unusual to give somebody 5 years prison because the judge said that he is a terrorist and had terror plans and release him 6 says later. Even if he was in prison for more than 2 years before the judge spoke his verdict, I don’t believe that you release “terrorists” that quickly. That’s perhaps valid for thieves or white collar criminals but it’s not for terrorists. But then, if the ex terrorist might agree to contribute and working for the other side, a good behaviour is always a good reason to release him as quickly as possible. Just my 2 cents.
@Anders
My mistake. Not “Jame” but James.
My typo.
Original comments still appy.
Usual suspects “shrill, spook, whatever, whatever….”
Moving on (without the usual suspects).
Beeb and Sky “cut out” of conference !
Major murder enquiry ! Possible major consequences !
And they “cut out” !!!
Conf goes on….with no hint of “why new witness(es) appear” !
A “re opening” of the scene (sealed off again !) and no clear explanation “why” ?
All adds up to “ODD”.
Clearly “the press” being ran well. And little “inestigation journalism” taking place.
@ferret
Yes, odd isn’t it? The same phrase appearing simultaneously in at least three mainstream UK media sources. So… where did it come from? Did they all simultaneously make up the same bull? (Some coincidence!!!) Ditto with Skorpion – several papers simultaneously “making up” the exact same story. What a strange coincidence! (I think not.)
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As I’ve said all along, we are in MI5/6/Tavistockville/SDECE Productions Ltd(tm), Mirrorworld (theirs), as they massage and morph the fairytale to get the outcome they want – (not ours).
All the world’s a stage as Frannie Bacon once scribbled, and we have now have the realtime privilege of voyeuristically watching play out a rather 5th rate and shoddy blunderbus of an Anglo-French acte de folie…
Tut tut tut, one really DOES expect better with our hard-earned tax tithes!
So Surrey Satellite Technology (employer of the late Mr Al Hilli) might end up in the BAE stable. The creation of this giant monopoly is dangerous.
BAE Systems and EADS in talks over merger
The two firms would stay listed on their separate stock exchanges
UK defence contractor BAE Systems has said that it is in talks with European aerospace firm EADS over a possible merger.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19576907
@james
Yes let’s move on please.
At last !
Onwards…with one aim. TRUTH through cross analysis.
@nuid
Here’s an idea: Maybe ex-RAF man was uninvolved,
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Not in a MILLION years
not party to the killings, and is retired, but nevertheless has some contact with “hidden” or secret services, say, in Geneva or Annecy. Maybe he did look after the seven year old, but maybe the person he called wasn’t your usual 911 or 999.
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.mil phone, calls his case officer/Field Office, Mayday.
Maybe his call WAS the first one, but couldn’t be reported.
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No, he didn’t call French 999 for 10 long minutes, so what exactly was he doing? I suggest he was talking to spooks in Paris, London, or Geneva, to alert them of the disaster. Unless of course RAFman did the hit with person(s) unknown, and everything has been an MI5/6/Tavistockville/SDECE Productions Ltd(tm) fairytale.
As I posted at 01.04 am last night:
“Folks NEED to rewatch Wag the Frog, and many more predictive programming and psychic driving movies from HOLLY WOOD.
We are in spooksville and Tavistockville now, they run the show, with their lapdogs, BBC and sky.”
So Philippe D comes along, finds him with blood on his hands etc, ex-RAF man says he couldn’t phone anyone, so Philippe D was the first call to normal emergency 911/999. And that’s how it’s being reported.
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Well what is being reported skips back and forth and up and down every five minutes.
It is all a fairytale.
If the gun was test fired after assembly and an empty cartridge kept for future police work, would the guin specific markings be identifiable? Is there such a thing as an international register of these marks? I believe interpol does operate such a library.
Again, close attention and shadowing is only possible if the car had a transponder, mobile triangulation takes too long and involves too many. A transponder would make it very easy to time the attack.
Was Mollier shot seven times to set an example, and dare others try the same?
The Computer stick handover scenario must rank high and those builders will eventually be found and…..talk/be killed, their absence and actions already marked them as a potential target.
The helicopter from Chambrey to Switzerland and RAF man hold the clues we need. This story stinks, tons.
There has not been one question (media) as to the “bike rack”…
…and why it looks “broken”.
Why ?
They didnt expect the helicpter to taken a photo.
But it’s “ignored”.
So….the story is a “fairytale”.
The “beeb” and Sky…cut coverage today ?
Why ?
Moving it to “the back page” ??
@nuid
It might explain why he’s not being treated as a suspect, even though he was first on the scene. If he called what he considered the scene of an “execution” in to a friend/contact in secret services, he’d probably be considered above suspicion.
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LOL, yes he’s completely uninvolved in any of this, happens upon 4 people slaughtered in the remote woods, a 7 year old with a bullet wound and head injuries, barely alive, and our hero RAFman thinks to himself (instead of immediately calling French 999):
“Bother, bother and thrice bother! I’ll better call old Harry Palmer at Legoland, he’ll know what to do! Sod the French Police!”