My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
“The dark green 4×4 the RAF guy apparently saw was one of the vehicles used by the National Office of Forests: l’Office national des Forets.”
Vehicles used by the Office National Des Forets
Green Land Rover (RAFman would know what this is)
http://fire-engine-photos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/9011.jpg
Green Hummer pick-up
http://a404.idata.over-blog.com/0/30/96/39/hummer-h3-pick-up-onf.jpg
Green Citroen vans (Berlingos?) and cars
http://www.20minutes.fr/marseille/732640-foret-sous-bonne-garde
http://www.estrepublicain.fr/doubs/bouclans?page=3
http://www.cassis.fr/typo3temp/pics/ee060ec253.jpg
The Land Rover and Hummer are 4x4s but surely RAFman would recognise a Land Rover and call it that, and would call the Hummer a pick-up.
Yellow Volkswagen Combi
http://spdu10.skyrock.com/photo.html?id_article=3106689785&id_article_media=35233165
Yellow Renault truck
http://spdu10.skyrock.com/photo.html?id_article=3106689785&id_article_media=35145393
According to News 24 earlier, RAFman is still at his French house, the village is being guarded by French police
@dopey
Skorpion and chips please….
That’ll be £98 sir.
A Sun reporter’s been on a buying spree. When he bought the gun they handed it over …in a takeaway box.
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“You smell that? Do you smell that? Frenchies, son. Nothing else in the world smells like that. I love the smell of Frenchies in the morning. You know, one time we had a hill at Chavaline bombed, for eight hours. When it was all over I walked up. We didn’t find one of ’em, not one stinkin’ al-Hailli body. The smell, you know that MI6 smell, the whole hill. Smelled like … victory.”
To have one relative that wants to kill you is unfortunate … to have two is looking like carelessness … as Oscar did not quite say. What next … an ex-mistress who boiled the children’s bunny.
Can’t provide a link but I read that his wife was born in Iran. Also that zirconium is used in dentistry!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2201476/Alps-shooting-French-hiker-called-emergency-services-speaks-horror-scene-time.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Think I have found another suspect. Sixth picture down – that nasty look being given to the policeman is a pure giveaway. Direct link below
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/09/article-2200542-14ECB449000005DC-24_634x410.jpg
Correct Kathy 🙂
Can’t provide a link but I read that his wife was born in Iran. Also that zirconium is used in dentistry!
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And she was allegedly a trainee dentist!
More CANADAman chatter from that USA site I am banned from but can access (wink):
Montyw, please avert your eyes, ta very much: 😉
I’m telling you, CANADAman is feeding us all clues! ;0
I am doing the asterisks… btw
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Does anyone else think it’s odd that ***Sylvain Mollier’s significant other went to the police station with a photo of him to report him missing?***
I’m not familiar with France’s procedures, but law enforcement on this side of the Atlantic is reluctant to get involved initially when an adult goes missing. For the spouse/girlfriend to have a photo handy and to take it in with her to the station to report shortly after the shooting, well, that’s more prepared than most people would be. Had the news media already reported a shooting in the area by the time she went in with the photo? Had the local police contacted her to ask her to bring in a photo? ***Why would they need one, if he was carrying ID?***
Not sure how things are done in France, but was an obituary published in the local paper? Did it include a photo? ***Why no photo of Mollier from any of the news media? (Or the other adult victims, other than Saad al-Hilli?)***
Also, the article posted above seems to express concerns that the bodies have not been returned to the families quickly enough. Surely it would take some time for autopsies and investigations to be complete. Why is this an issue?
***Sadly, Sylvain Mollier’s father is reported to have passed away ***after*** the shooting.***
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OK before I go to bed, dopey, I will post more HARD DATA as I do my rounds, contact my sources:
One of whom is the formidable EMPEE, from Icke, posted here a few times too:
Montyw, please avert your eyes old chap, blue-bird, ditto, etc etc etc 🙂 😉
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I watched the report and press conference on BBC America and the translator was crap. However, the gist I got was that the Froggie cyclist overtook the crab cyclist on the road. The crab saw him turn into the area where the shooting occured. The crab then decided to turn into the area also only a few minutes after the Froggie cyclist. The crab found the scene, called for help and set about some first aid for the girl who is now in hospital.
So my understanding from the frog prosecutor who gave the press conference is that the crab missed the action by minutes. There was some mention of a 4×4 leaving the scene that the prosecutor would not be drawn upon during the press questions.
The prosecutor also stated that they had no idea who the dead cyclist was until his wife called into a local police station to say he was overdue for his tea. The prosecutor further stated he was miffed that things had been released to the UK press (presumably by The Yard) that he would rather have not had released until confirmation of identities and forensics.
I always remember what the information/press office bloke in HQNI told me. There are 3 versions to every incident: 1. What really, really, truly happened; 2. What the official report says; 3. What you see and read in the news. One incident, 3 versions.
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Anders….
I got as far as…..
And I quote
“Montyw, please avert your eyes old chap, blue-bird, ditto, etc etc etc ”
Then I stopped reading.
You don’t like others having views ????
You’re a “journo”
I have your mark. It is EVERY TIME you false flag.
So tell me this
The weapon is ?
The casing is what ?
Two straight and simple asks ?
Back to basics from Klinker at Icke;
Originally Posted by anders7777
I say with near certainty RAFman was a spook
the hit was a TEAM
2 shooters
state sponsored
UK MSM afraid to mention mossad
sayanim like jack saltman talking bollocks
the new Phillip D MAY be a famous war photographer
another sayanim-type
etc
A nice little summary of what was the most likely way this hit was carried out.
Back to basics, from Makka, at Icke:
Because the pommy piggies were dusting the house for fingerprints it tells me that the mossad hit was NOT sanctioned/known of by UK. Or if it was then by a “black” group that’s keeping quiet.
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Unless it was all for show of course, the Claygate bomb squad etc, the fairytale etc.
Quote:
Originally Posted by straw44berry at Icke:
What are the collaborating French/British police trying to do?
Solve it? Keep it from being solved?
Solve it in a way that points at 1 person, or in a way that proves it wasnt a multi gunman / Mossad hit?
If they are trying to solve it they sure dont want the public to solve it, too little information released.
We are all clamouring for :-
1) Sylvain Mollier was he shot in the back, front, even from above who knows maybe varying angles as he was cycling or while he was standing.
2)Was there ever a 2nd car seat? Was it in the caravan/tent? Is it larger than the one in the car?
3)Was Saad’s mountain bike found at the caravan?
4)Were any of the 3 adults wearing seat belts?
2) 3) & 4) This is safe information that should have been known from 8am the morrning after but still not released.
What significant facts have the police released since day 1?
All the bullets came from the same gun? This may or may not be true. It certainly means Anders Mossad Kidon team is less likely. But the Police have appeared from the outset to not want us to suspect the ex-Raf guy.
Why do that? Because he did do the shootings but he is protected?
I can only think that 2) 3) and 4) havent been released so the ‘story’ has some manoeuvre room. But even as it stands with very few facts little makes sense.
The BMW couldnt have reversed to that position reacting to Sylvain’s shooting in front of them if he died block them in.
Why would they be in that position?
a) Reversing out of the way of a 4×4 coming up the road.
b) As Anders said if a gunman was in front of them floor it in 1st and duck at the same time. Unless that is what he thought he did but was still in reverse from getting in to that spot and just panicked. Possible.
I wonder if the bush/trees just to the left of the driver hides a ditch or enough cover for a shooter to hide and waited there until Sylvain cycles up to the side of the car for the meet with Saad and at that moment opens fire killing Sylvain with 5 and Saad all in a second.
Perhaps the family had been waiting for Sylvain for almost an hour when they had given up and just started to drive down the hill. And after maybe 100 yards down the road they see Sylvain cycling towards them they then reverse into the layby. Shooting happens, Saad dies and foot hits the gas spinning the back wheels.
If there is no material cover from the trees near the car it suggests the family could see the shooter all along.
from Klinker
It’s all smoke and mirrors mate and by now the general public have lost interest and the story fell off the front pages days ago.
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It’s all smoke and mirrors mate and by now the general public have lost interest and the story fell off the front pages days ago.
Agreed, Sky and BBC have dropped it, pretty much.
alphaholic at Icke:
Originally Posted by yass
I just read one along those lines.
Gun used on al-Hilli is Serbian Mafia’s signature weapon
http://www.theweek.co.uk/crime/annec…gnature-weapon
Thanks for the car info guys.
edit – seems to be the same one.
Article in The Week pointing to East European hitman was written by Crispin Black, former Army Intelligence Officer. Wikipedia entry list him as being on secondment to Cabinet Office, advising JIC and COBRA.
Possibly not the most impartial of opinions?
EE at Icke:
Originally Posted by earthenigma
It’s probably nothing but this news story has just come out:
BAE Systems and EADS in talks over merger
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19576907#TWEET225238
BAE works in partnership with SSTL, who al Hilli worked for. SSTL is owned by EADS.
I dunno if it’s worth investigating?!? It just caught my eye.
EADS Share prices were not affected by al Hilli’s murder although BAE shares went up 8%.
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Good spot EE, Mary at Craig Murray was on it too…
Timing timing timing eh??? LOL!
The redoubtable MM at Icke:
Originally Posted by molliemallone
Could quite get into this sleuthing malarky!
Whilst looking on this website http://www.boomantribune.com/?op=dis…/6/12538/19248
I followed a link to a french blogger http://www.marilynztomlins.com/artic…lvain-mollier/ and an article about the forgotten victim, the French cyclist!
Stay with me!!! Copied from the blog…. “An employee with the company Crezus which supplies equipment to nuclear power plants, he was on maternity leave: in June he had become the father of a little girl. His companion is the local chemist. He also has two children of 9 and 7 from a previous relationship.”
I then googled ‘Ugines pharmacie mollier’ and found this link…
http://translate.google.co.uk/transl…ed=0CCcQ7gEwAA which says the pharmacy is in Grignon.
Some more help from google reveals a link to the French equivalent of companies house (I guess) which lists Claire Schutz as the owner of the pharmacy. A quick look on Facebook reveals Claire Schutz, http://www.facebook.com/claire.schutz including on her friends list Mathis Mollier, Sabrine Mollier, and Christophe Mollier le Tret.
Must be the partner of Sylvain Mollier wouldn’t you say? Especially as she uploaded pics of her new baby in June!
From DaveBrooker at Icke, and I also have to agree:
my asterisks, anders7777
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Originally Posted by sheepy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti…ng-attack.html(
“Suggesting inconsistencies in the testament of the mystery British witness, Mr Maillaud said: ‘We’ll need to listen to the British cyclist again – to check his timings. He’ll have to get back on his bike and re-do the journey.’”
So the frogs are starting to wonder about RAF man?
***”Briefings by detectives suggested that at least one of the victims could have had links to those working in international espionage”***
***”and they were not assassinated in normal conditions”***
***”Referring to the gun used, the source introduced the possibility of state security groups being involved, saying: ‘A 7.65mm is definitely an old-fashioned calibre but it can still be used by some special forces.”***
Mossad, Mossad, Mossad…
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Anders here again – Most Sad
From MM at Icke, she is a natural 🙂
Originally Posted by empee
Laurent Fillion-Robin, aged 38
if you have access to phone books and the likes you should get something.
Think this is him…
https://plus.google.com/109091265050…ut?gl=uk&hl=en
His address is 17 miles away from Chevaline and he is listed as a masonry contractor. Business name is Fillion-Noel-et-Fils-Maconnerie which translates as FILLION CHRISTMAS AND SON MASONRY I’m guessing the correct translation is Noel Fillion and Son Masonry!
This is the original photo of Saad Al-Hilli as published in The Daily Mail on the seventh: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/07/article-2199513-14E04408000005DC-223_310x352.jpg
And then yesterday they changed his appearance slightly: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/12/article-2202149-14EC5B45000005DC-621_306x423.jpg
Spot the difference.
Originally Posted by davebrooker at Icke:
“Suggesting inconsistencies in the testament of the mystery British witness, Mr Maillaud said: ‘We’ll need to listen to the British cyclist again – to check his timings. He’ll have to get back on his bike and re-do the journey.’”
So the frogs are starting to wonder about RAF man?
Originally Posted by tunny
Maybe – but probably more likely that his timings don’t add up, and that could be as likely simple confusion as him being part of the conspiracy. If I’d just been through what he apparently has, my storytelling might be a bit confused!
If I’d just been through what he apparently has, my storytelling might be a bit confused!
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Anders7777 – Mine would be etched on my brain, Type-As are pilots, they remember things. Of course in this fairytale le Prosecutor one min sez RAFman has nuuuurffs oooff steeelll, next minute DP the plant photographer sez the geezer was in panic mode 100pc.
The whole charade gets worse and worse, and I am an EXPERT on the Diana fiasco in France, member of all the usergroups, have all the books, 1000s of conversations with all the Doctors making up the appeal committe, what a load of old BOLLOCKS we are being fed.
ARE ALWAYS BEING FED
Hansel and Gretel
NIK at Icke:
Originally Posted by nik27
The really annoying thing is how quickly this story has vanished from the front pages of the MSM.
I can’t help but feel had this been an ‘ordinary English family’ (forgive the phrase) this would still be front page news for another few weeks. Think Maddy McCann.
And *THAT* really annoys the f*ck out of me.
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Me too.
If you only knew (perhaps you do, wink, if you are stroking me, you know my spots, purrr…), I am a passionate MM sleuther.
And Diana.
And 911.
And 77.
It is far better to be awake, than asleep.
Life is for living, not sleeping.
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Twenty-Five Rules of Disinformation
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression
How to Spot a Spy (Cointelpro Agent)
Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist
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Just a remainder
Five children are affected by this tragedy. Two girls from Al- Hilli family and Sylvain Mollier’s three children, one just a baby.
In this never ending looking for the spooks and conspiracy those children are the real victims.
@p_ 12 Sep, 2012 – 2:18 pm
‘In haste. A profile of Sylvain Mollier (in French).
http://m.20minutes.fr/societe/1002032-tuerie-chevaline-cycliste-tue-pere-famille-discret-victime-oubliee/‘
The photo of the locus with the flowers is credited PHILIPPE DESMAZES AFP!
This is weird beyond belief.
Yet more total crapola:
Makka at Icke:
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Most interesting paragraphs
Reports of a family feud over inheritance and the presence of a suspicious character at the campground where the family stayed for the first few nights have fueled rumors that the killing was a contract hit. Indeed, a man in dark dress clothes—not the usual campground garb—was spotted searching the area. “He definitely didn’t look like he belonged,” Eli Draaisma, 64, a Dutch tourist, told The Daily Telegraph. “He was not on a holiday.” The next day the Al-Hilli family, who had booked their original camping pad for a full week, then suddenly moved to a different campground, where their camper was parked when they were murdered.
Inconsistencies at the crime scene have also been complicated by the fact that no credible witnesses saw any vehicles leaving the area the afternoon of the murder. Initial reports indicated that a cyclist saw a dark green SUV and a motorbike leaving the area last Wednesday, but those reports have not been corroborated by others who were nearby at the same time, who say they saw no other cars on the roads.
Based on the blood-splatter trajectory, investigators say Zainab was likely beaten and shot in front of the car while her family was locked inside. Each family member who was killed had multiple gunshot wounds, presumably to disable them before two final shots to the head finished them off—a maneuver known as a classic double tap.
French investigators have said that only one gun was used—a Czech-made Skorpion favored by mafia thugs and hit men—but they have not yet ruled out that there was more than one assailant. Police found 25 spent cartridges, meaning the 20-bullet magazine gun had to be reloaded once to continue the killing.
Just a remainder
Five children are affected by this tragedy. Two girls from Al- Hilli family and Sylvain Mollier’s three children, one just a baby.
In this never ending looking for the spooks and conspiracy those children are the real victims.
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Very true, we all expressed our disgust at the first thread. Alas this thread is a hunt for justice, and sad as it is, one can’t keep stopping with every post and make the sign of the cross etc.
It is a TRAGEDY – and we all know deep down who is responsible.
RIP the 4.
Night all.
@Anders7777
Brilliant work re Schutz. There is, I notice now, a reference to the partner here
http://www.ledauphine.com/faits-divers/2012/09/07/le-cycliste-uginois-a-peut-etre-sauve-la-vie-de-la-petite-fille-blessee
Le cycliste uginois a peut-être sauvé la vie de la petite fille blessée 8 Sept 2012
..sa compagne, pharmacienne à Grignon,…