My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
How long before Haydar Thaher is found dead in the woods? With a single gunshot wound to the head, and a silenced 7.65mm pistol in his hand. Verdict will be suicide. Bullets from crime scene will match the weapon. Case closed.
One other thought… if RAFman (assuming he exists of course) didn’t actually see any of the kill squad at the scene, WHAT THE F**K IS HE SO AFRAID OF???
Assuming he just saw bodies, all dead (apart from one very seriously wounded), motor running on car… no one else there… what possible use could he be to the investigation?
On the other hand, if he saw the assailants (or indeed was one himself) then I can see why he would have a lot to be afraid of.
On the other hand, if he just saw a lone nutter with a 7.65mm pistol (the Haydar Thaher patsy conspiracy theory) I don’t think he’d be quite so terrified. Afraid, perhaps, but terrified, no.
Conclusion: best possible explanation is that he saw the hit squad and can identify them.
If the RAF guy was from the same cycling club in Ugine can we not find an english sounding name in the roster? I treid last night but it was time for coco!
Very true about Molliers wife, he may have stopped at the pub or at his fave spot doesnt mean she would have thought he may be dead unless she knew that he may have been in danger! the spot is in a blackspot anyway so its not like she would even try to phone him anyway!
We need to find the RAF man!
Re: The new mountain of crap on this thread that has nothing to do with the Alps shootings:
“Technique #3 – ‘TOPIC DILUTION’
Technique #6 – ‘GAINING FULL CONTROL’
2. Become incredulous and indignant.
5. Sidetrack opponents with name calling and ridicule.
8. Invoke authority.
10. Associate opponent charges with old news.
13. Alice in Wonderland Logic.
15. Fit the facts to alternate conclusions.
17. Change the subject.
18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents.
etc. etc. etc.
And you accuse others of being shills?
This thread been so successfully hijacked and derailed that it is now practically defunct. If you wanted to point a colleague of friend to a forum where theories about the Alps shootings where being discussed – there is no way you could direct them here. “Oh you should head over the the Craig Murray blog – all the best stuff is being posted there. The “rat a tat tat” postings are particularly informative.”
@Ferret – you do realise that ROTFL, means “rolling on the floor laughing”?
Are you seriously saying that my three posts complaining about the incessant amount of crap that is being posted is on a par with the crap that Anders posted? He posted more than my total amount of posts with his “rat a tat” posts alone! Or maybe Jon is also a “pot calling the kettle black” when he repeatedly asked that the copied and pasted posts be properly attributed?
95% of what I awoke to find on this thread this morning had either nothing to do with the Alps shootings, or was regurgitated faff. If I wanted to read the Icke posts, I would go to that forum. There is no need to c/p every post from there.
So… what the bleep was RAFman so terrified of? Can there be any other rational explanation other than that he actually saw the killers?
@Ferret Spooks? Are you for real? You think I am a spook? You seriously think that I am in the employ of the secret services? Póg mo thóin!
If there were any “spooks” here, they wouldn’t have to try and derail this thread, or try to discredit it – Anders has done it for them.
Re: what the RAF man was so terrified of:
It was reported that he was terrified of being identified – not terrified. If he is legit, this is not that unusual, imho. He had stumbled upon a murder scene, where ruthless killer(s) had just killed four people and seriously injured a child. He was obviously going to be a key witness. Just because he was ex-RAF, doesn’t mean he was fearless. I for one, would be shitting myself. The killers could still be close by. He would be worried that they might want to silence him. It’s easy to understand why he could be “terrified of being identified”.
Anyway, it was the police who said this, and it may not be exactly true. He may have just asked them to keep his name out of the public domain as he didn’t want to be identified, because he knew that if he was, he would be the centre of attention and would have to fend off the press. The police could have reported this as him being “terrified of being identified”.
I believe the key to unlock this lies in the missing left bike tray. If it was the same as the right hand side bike tray you are missing the tray itself-all that is left is the head (normally attached to the tray). If, it was different & was just the head part to lock a bike stem in and a short back tray to hold the back wheel in, the back part is missing.
THE LEFT HAND TRAY WAS RIPPED OUT. There must have been a bike there.Thule or Yakima makes. I’m betting Thule
Why hate the Spooks anyway non of us could really say if there is one or more on this board or not and who really cares, I dont hate on em they do a great job!
Secret Services do things that what we dont understand, they see the world as it really is, I realise that and would love to be on the other side but hey we dont always get that opportunity! I didnt go to Kings college!
Now lets find that RAF man!
Hi all
Thus far I’ve had a hands-off approach to this thread, but the nonsense posts, bickering about who isn’t here in good faith, copy-and-paste efforts, non-attribution and lack of quoting is reducing the value of the discussion.
I will delete posts that are not squarely on topic, or are obviously pasted from elsewhere without attribution. I’ve snipped some already.
@anders7777 – please post less quantity and more quality. Write your own posts, and if your mobile phone is making it tricky to correctly quote and attribute, then use another device.
Mochyn69 posted:-
The photo of the locus with the flowers is credited PHILIPPE DESMAZES AFP!
This is weird beyond belief.
This photo is a weird angle but it directly what we have been asking is there cover for the gunman in a ditch adjacent to the drivers door. The answer is no ditch but a very thick bush that someone could hide in and shoot Saad and Sylvain from.
Without credit on this photo it may not have been highlighted and posted on this blog.
Are we being helped???
Bajer, I completely share your frustration. It becomes particular bad whenever they implore you to do their thinking for them ‘So why’s he terrified? Huh? HUH?’.
One simply couldn’t point an interested person to this thread anymore, it’s unfortunate.
I forgot to repeat the link:-
http://m.20minutes.fr/societe/1002032-tuerie-chevaline-cycliste-tue-pere-famille-discret-victime-oubliee/
http://ccugine.clubeo.com/
Ugine cycling club
@Bajer
@Ferret – you do realise that ROTFL, means “rolling on the floor laughing”?
Yes
Are you seriously saying that my three posts complaining about the incessant amount of crap that is being posted is on a par with the crap that Anders posted?
No, I’m not saying that
He posted more than my total amount of posts with his “rat a tat” posts alone! Or maybe Jon is also a “pot calling the kettle black” when he repeatedly asked that the copied and pasted posts be properly attributed?
Perhaps I tarred too widely with my brush, forgive if I missed the mark. Will kiss celtic proverbial if wrong!
🙂
95% of what I awoke to find on this thread this morning had either nothing to do with the Alps shootings, or was regurgitated faff.
This thread has been diluted beyond all recognition for a long time, but not by Anders, so I’m curious why you pick on him (although I grant you he did post the majority of last night’s posts). The trouble is, as soon as something interesting got going, it got derailed/watered/drowned out by James and his chorus of sycophants.
That was REEAALLY boring.
Re the 95% irrelevancy factor, yes – but it’s the 5% which is gold. I take the nuggets and go off digging, and hey presto. “Believe no one and do your own research”, that’s my MO.
Plus, I enjoy Anders’s sparring with the “other side” (as Ricki would have them).
If I wanted to read the Icke posts, I would go to that forum. There is no need to c/p every post from there.
I don’t go to Icke and don’t want to – so I’m glad they get reposted here. Horses for courses I suppose. And yes, in an ideal world they’d get properly attributed, but hey, have mercy on a man trying to type on a phone in a pub!
@Bajer
@Ferret Spooks? Are you for real? You think I am a spook? You seriously think that I am in the employ of the secret services? Póg mo thóin!
OK – I got it – apologies. Consider celtic proverbial kissed!
If there were any “spooks” here, they wouldn’t have to try and derail this thread, or try to discredit it – Anders has done it for them.
Ha flippin ha again! Are you seriously suggesting there are no spooks here, on the third most influential political blog in the UK, discussing a secret service botch job and cover up! Kiss my bony white!!!
And re derailment, see above. It was already long gone. Now Anders is sparring…
@Bajer
Bajer wrote: “He would be worried that they might want to silence him”
YES MY POINT EXACTLY
BUT WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
What had he seen, that the police could not have a few mins later?
The killers? Facts which contradicted the official story?
???
Or was he just afraid of the reporters from the Sun, the Daily Mail, et al?
@Dehenny, I’m quite capable of doing my own thinking thank you!
😀
OK… enough for now… back to work.
Run me down, fellers…
Good luck chasing RAFman on the bike, I also found the Ugine cycling club site but there’s no membership list, surprise surprise… not the sort of thing a club usually publishes online…
the Ugine CC home event is this saturday:-
http://s2.static-clubeo.com/uploads/ccugine/Medias/photo_solene/Grimpe_dHry__m9iq41.pdf
From the previous results of cycling club gatherings:
Going back 2 results to Les 2 Alpes
There are 2 British competitors:-
Sybrandy Wouter (age 18-29) from Hampton Hill
Liam Maybank (age 40-49) from Thames Ditton
Thames Ditton is barely 3 miles From Claygate!!!
Must be a results page for races and may appear on another teams websites or a league/race meet website somewhere!
They may have buried a little.
And Sybrandy Wouter is too young to be “ex-RAF”.
Good work Strawberry!
🙂
https://www.facebook.com/#!/liam.mulbert strange as when he comes up in Facebook his name in teh top bar is Liam Mulbert????
False alert…
These are the results of an open race called “Les Deux Alpes” (or Les 2 Alpes).
Not all the competitors are from Ugine CC…
http://s3.static-clubeo.com/uploads/ccugine/Medias/photo_solene/doc__m9isp1.pdf
Don’t think it’s Liam, no link to the RAF and has been a trader since leaving Uni
Liam Maybank
Senior Trader in Single Stock Equity Options
Thames Ditton, Surrey, United Kingdom Capital Markets
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Liquid Capital
, Capstone Holdings
, City of London Options
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Liam Maybank may be off course as he’s a Sr Trader! hope he didnt have insider trading on the EADS deal?
Lets not get led in th wrong direction ill do some more digging.
I was thinking though how easy it would be to do this if you had access to what the Spooks have? all phone records, cctv, internet information down, Crime scene, interview notes, previous files, history, connections, questioning……….youd really have a full picture! this is more like fumling in the dark!………….im in the dark here!
The Cycling Clubs news for the most recent gathering said to look and see how well the Ugine Cyclists had done:-
Rey Guillaume (age 18-29)
Perrier Christian (age 50-59)
Rey Mathieu (no time) didnt take part? or didnt finish?
this was the Grimpe Leschaux on 1/9/12
Odd that they said ‘look how well they did’ about just 2 people or are some members of more than 1 cycling club.