My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
If contributors stopped posting comments on other peoples comments then this thread would be 1/3 the size and would have a much stronger basis for its existence.
I think the problem with Mr Martin’s testimony is not that it is fabricated but that he is clearly holding something back. Maybe not to compromise the investigation. The fact he said sibling suggests that the version he gave was added to or embellished after it was known there was a younger daughter. The fact he was touchy about even the number of occupants of the car that passed him suggests he did see something but was told not to mention it or thinks he would be at risk if he mentioned it or even that the passing car was a fabrication. He seemed to act like someone uneasy about withholding the truth even if it is small compared to the larger truthful part.
this smells worse than an mi6 csnteen turd burger.
bad kiwi actor.
nice office neighbours
maybe we should ask andy mcnab or lewis collins why a detective angecy would be called squadron.
a hit squad nice name sam spade nahhh
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Regardless of how he looked or whether you think he is an actor. His testimony completely contradicts that of Philippe D.
1 of them is lying or both so why?
Blood, no blood, looking dead already or in the recovery position, we have 2 extremely varying accounts about Zainab.
And I dont care how much you believe the interview and want to gang up against Anders we dont have the right story yet. The more you bully Anders the more any right minded person can see that is all you are doing.
this kiwi turd is fake.
he is close to a girl he does not here tyres pinning engine screeching in reverse.
WHY EVEN BOTHER WITH THE INTERVIEW.
simply because of sites like this.
he is not nerves of steel raf bomber harris he does not look scared for his life.
his eye movements and rapid blinking are giving this guy away.
bbc mi6 productions
was it always this way when did the bbc actually stop even attempting to cover up for the government properly.
@Straw44berry – I think you will find that it was Anders who was doing most of the bullying. He insulted people and accused them of being shills. People put up with it for a while (including the mods), and then it reached tipping point, and people said “ah here – enough is enough”, and they responded.
so he does not notice bike man with 5 shots in body and head and moves him.
goes to the car is about to smash a window and notices some damage and wonders to himself ummm is that a bullet hole.
anyone believe this clown is for real.
has any french neighbour seen this man at his holiday apartment.
I was once in the car accident with 4 other people. The car almost hit us. Only one person noticed the right color of the car.
In the stressful situations our brain gets signals mixed due to natural reaction of shutting down to protect us from trauma.
I could’t really believe that 4 years old girl sit frozen without moving or crying for 7 hours. But in the cases of extreme traumatic experience our body shuts. It’s a natural protective mechanism.
The witnesses stories don’t match? Not a first time and not a big surprise.
The investigation hiding evidence? Sure.
This case could well be conspiratorial theorists heaven.
It is very messy case and for the most part too unbelievable and too coincidental but i don’t know who did it and why. There is no straight line to connect all the dots and the world is not black or white.
Keep speculating.
Well said strawberry. It’s turning into an anti-anders comments board and its disgraceful. We’re very kindly allowed to post comments about the case here. Lets not abuse that, and u lot leave anders alone.
I’m open minded about rafman. I havent seen the bit where he mentions the cars but comments above about why he’d be touchy make sense. At least we;ve now seen and heard him.
it seems to me that this site is getting swamped by stiffs from bush house and gay town vauxhall.
the vauxhall office chit chat.
ex raf, an honest pilot cannot lie never.
conspiracy theory full of holes.
no emotion shot kid smashed up face.
went about his trade cleaning up.
the bbc are truth
government only wants the best for us.
ministers and spooks just want to protect us from the brown dark evil doers.
swamp the thread with a new batch of truth.
the hero has come forward give him a medal the story is sorted.
move along now please.
all is ok with the world.
Who is the better cyclist?
Sylvain or
Brett Martin’s times in the Steyning Long Triathlon on 28/4/06
Swim 21.50
Bike 1.05.52
run 39.51
@Tony – were you watching the same interview? I think you are another one who has made their mind up that this is a government cover-up regardless of the evidence. Your arguments make no sense.
“so he does not notice bike man with 5 shots in body and head and moves him.”
What does that even mean? He saw the bike as he approached, and then his attention shifted to the girl. He dealt with the girl first and then attended to the cyclist. He moved them both from the front of the car as he thought that the car might drive forwards. This was a perfectly reasonable assumption to make as the wheels were spinning. As it happens, the wheels were probably spinning in reverse – but he wasn’t to know that.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with this interview – except that he is probably withholding some information (at the request of the police).
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@ Anders7777
“We deal in HARD DATA here:)”
If only you did, it was interesting reading this topic at the start and even you managed to post some interesting stuff on the early pages, but over the last 48+ hours you seem to have basically lost the plot, you certainly haven’t posted anything like ‘HARD DATA’ in that period.
Your performance last night and again tonight is frankly laughable, tonight all you seem to be doing is jumping up and down and screaming ‘it’s all fake, it’s all fake’, whilst no doubt drinking large amounts of alcohol if we are to believe your posts last night on that particular habit of yours.
Why don’t you just go back to the David Icke forums, where you clearly fit in?
@badger
This site and sites like it forced nothing. No one on any of these sites came close to identifying him.
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Yet more rather desperate bollocks from you. DUE TO THE INFO BELOW, the man was outed and identified by Internet sleuths. See this thread for details – so a pro hit team would find him within 5 mins, a few calls to HQ.
Perhaps the French were pissed off at les Brits’ antics on French soil, eh?
Then cooler heads intervened… 😉
Le Prosecuteur gave the game away from day one! 😉 🙂
He said the geezer was ex-RAF
Retired
Lived locally part time in the area
Had a home in the area
Had NUUURFFS OFFF STEEELLL
Was a CYCLIST
And much more besides.
My blind aunt Fanny could have found him! 🙂 🙂 🙂
@tony as said previously that address is probably his accountants. There will be loads of companies registered to that address under that same accountants. The accountancy will be based at that address. The companies are not. Its nothing unusual.
The particular company you mention may be based at that address, I don’t know, but rafman’s company probably isnt.
I second Bajer’s earlier post. Anders whilst being a great information gatherer, you do seem blinkered and very stubborn in your opinions. This whole situation, as the title of the thread suggests, is a conundrum. There are many possible explanations, some more likely than others; a government sanctioned hit being right up there with the most likely. The problem is that some people come across as unwilling to accept any other possibility than the one they suggest, especially you Anders when you show your unwillingness by shouting down anyone who disagrees with you, usually using an ad hominem (something that you accuse others of) or ‘guilt by association’ attack, or a diversionary HARD DATA put-down. As I said before, you’ve done some incredible research, but your attitude towards others harms the discussion IMO.
On another forum they’re saying he said that, after the cops were called, he cycled off back home and the ambulances and cops passed him on the way.
I never heard him say this, but I havent yet seen the full interview so is this correct?
Oh, I see a number, if not all, of those backing-up Anders7777 are also normally posters on Icke’s forum, which seems to be getting very few posts from them tonight, because they are too busy on here.
Can I politely suggest they all go back there, as that’s the place for the extreme ‘truth seekers’, and leave the more sane doubters to continue discussion here?
Anders, I would advise that your time and energy is better spent on the forums at soberrecovery.com
Best of luck
hollywood.
csi
just like the movies
i have seen the dead and i do not think of movies or telly.
no empathy,no humanity yet he had never seen a body before.
detachment mostly comes from experience for protection.
no horror or disgust
tavistock i believe gave hollywood plenty of templates to work to.
raf man must meet the sas guys that work in his building yet he seems a regular innocent.
the raf shot missiles of depleted uranium on Kosovo and Serbia and iron man is an to much eye blinking innocent
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Another neighbour of theirs … 😉
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ALLO ALLO ALLO?
MOVE ALONG NOW, NOTHING TO SEE ‘ERE 🙂 🙂 🙂
@Anders et al – I will not get drawn into a pointless debate with you. Debating with you is like trying to play chess with a pigeon. I could be the best player in the world, but the pigeon will still knock over all the pieces, shit on the board and strut around triumphantly. People can make their own mind up about who is objective and rational.
Anyhoo – there is another “out there” theory beginning to do the rounds on the net. This was posted on the Huffington Post comments section earlier, and appears in a few other places. Has anyone else heard about this attempted nuclear in London during the olympics?
“According to British Intelligence sources, the recent killing in France of Saad Al-hilli and his family was carried out because his company manufactured equipment capable of detecting nuclear weapons from the air. It was his equipment that allowed for the detection and prevention of the recently planned nuclear terror attack on the London Olympics. He was killed in order to pave the way for future nuclear terror attacks by the fascist P2 Freemason lodge that is seeking to create mayhem before offering a fascist solution to the problem they created.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/13/french-alps-shooting-eric-maillaud-reporter-surrey-three-murders-alps_n_1880095.html
I’ve lurked most of the way through this sometimes interesting, sometimes ridiculous thread and it seems to be getting close to jumping the shark.
Some people simply discredit each others ideas because they don’t agree with them, not necessarily because they’re ‘spooky’.
I realise this may be hard for the ego of some of our conspiracists to take, but there is not a flood of spies on here attempting to discredit your theory of the day, some people just think your refusal to acknowledge facts that don’t fit your narrative leaves you looking a touch myopic and blinkered.
@strawberry
And I dont care how much you believe the interview and want to gang up against Anders we dont have the right story yet. The more you bully Anders the more any right minded person can see that is all you are doing.
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Come into my web said the spider to the fly!
Straw, they totally underestimate us, totally.
Yes the bullying is endemic and going logarithmic, but I’m well used to dealings with the lousy minds attacking me here. Many many years in the trenches, from 911 onwards.
Seen it all before! 🙂
See, they don’t even realise the blowback they are creating! 🙂
That’s the hysterical part! 🙂
looks like members of the frank gardner fan club of truth have shown up.
i here frankie boy was a bit upset today,when he heard that certain folks are calling the bbc embedded whores and bullshit wranglers.
still even frank has to pay his mortgage with his 2 paypackets.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/alps-murder-focus-shifts-to-familys-iraqi-origins-8131190.html
The independent reports that t arabian press did speculate since days s that al-hilli had something to do with Saddam Husseins still not yet found billions. See link above.
Likely just another false hint by secret services. However, should be thought about.
How unusual is it for the BBC to unload its interviews to Sky?
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raf man must feel so safe being around these mcnabs all day and all hot night long.
so warm and cozy.