My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
How unusual is it for the BBC to unload its interviews to Sky?
unusual.
how unusual to have an office in a building with a freelance kill team.
and to travel a long distance and become a witness to the savage work of a different more swarthy kill team
unique exciting and mighty unusual
@Anders
Not everyone (and reading back I see this as a recurring theme) who disagrees with you is a ‘spook’ or ‘shill’ or whatever else your word of the minute is. Some people just don’t agree with you. Maybe they have a different idea of what happened. Maybe they just don’t like your self righteous egotistical tone. Surely any discussion involves conflicting ideas from time to time. Possessing as great a mind as you claim you do, maybe rational responses to comments might be a good way to go and more importantly might further the investigation rather than intimidating new posters? Just try it. Go on.
@dopey
Murky bien! 😉
A couple of days ago on David Icke Klinker & Yass were talking about photos of the crime scene.
They believed that they had found a photo over the crime scene with no car or disturbance to the ground. Therefore an exact photo of the crime scene taken before the crime.
This photo was credited to Abaca/Barcroft Media and was published in the Daily Mail on the 7th September.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/09/07/article-0-14E4A486000005DC-94_638x410.jpg
Todays photos of Brett Martin taking part in the Steyning Long Triathlon wearing bib 233
Triathlon:
http://www.stuweb.co.uk/race/1o/233.html
Photo from Triathlon:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2202635/French-Alps-shootings-British-cyclist-speaks-horror-discovering-bodies-family-shot-dead.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
Photo of Brett Martin taken in April 2006 of Brett Martin during the Steyning Long Triathlon coutesy of Anthony Bliss / Barcroft Media.
Did they take photos of every competitor?
A huge coincidence or something far more sinister???
@anders I presume you failed your French o level, as did I )
Just found this site when googling. Worth a read.
I havent seen the press conf from yesterday yet. On this site theyre saying the french prosecutor said Sylvain was shot five times in the BACK and twice in the head? Did he say that?
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=announcements&action=display&num=1347056926
@dopey
@tony as said previously that address is probably his accountants. There will be loads of companies registered to that address under that same accountants. The accountancy will be based at that address. The companies are not. Its nothing unusual.
The particular company you mention may be based at that address, I don’t know, but rafman’s company probably isnt.
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You MAY be correct, this has been gone over elsewhere. I’ve bought off the shelf limited companies myself, with nailing addresses usually being the accountants offices, with perhaps a small cut out.
Nevertheless there is no smoke with fire.
The fact that RAFman’s address is listed at 55 PRINCES GATE
A NEST OF SPOOKY SAS AND GOD KNOWS WHAT VIPERS
AS TONY R POINTED OUT
speaks volumes, dors it not? 😉
THAT BUILDING IS CRAWLING WITH THEM! Lol at how useless the fairytales has become, only the Brits could completely fuck up on such a gargantuanly EPIC scale!!! 😉 🙂
“A NEST OF SPOOKY SAS AND GOD KNOWS WHAT VIPERS”
😀 well yes, the pllace does seem to have its fair share of that.
@Dopey – yes, Mollier was shot seven times. Five in the body and two in the head.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/world/europe/british-police-evacuate-area-around-home-of-alps-murder-victims.html?pagewanted=all
@anders I presume you failed your French o level, as did I )
Just found this site when googling. Worth a read.
I havent seen the press conf from yesterday yet. On this site theyre saying the french prosecutor said Sylvain was shot five times in the BACK and twice in the head? Did he say that?
http://ufocasebook.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=announcements&action=display&num=1347056926
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Hi
My recollection is 7 shots
Initial fairytale was I think 3 shots?
When I heard 7, I posted here and elsewhere, Blimey!!! They really wanted this man very very VERY EL MORTO BIEN!
I actually passed my French back I’m the day with a C, lived in Lille for a while and worked for the wonderful SNCF / but my French is still useless 🙂
@Anders
Say what now? Was that another ad hominem response or just an insult? Please clarify. Thanks.
BTW has anyone looked into the industrial espionage angle? Recent BAE Sys/EADS merger; Al-Hilli linked to one, Mollier the other?
Thanks, re the number of shots. So there were five shots to the body, and not all necessarily in the back then. My ears pricked up when I read that all five were in his back.
@Anders – “When I heard 7, I posted here and elsewhere, Blimey!!! They really wanted this man very very VERY EL MORTO BIEN!
I wouldn’t read too much into Mollier being shot more than the others. The likely explanation is that the body shots were fired from a distance, and the two to the head were from close up to ensure he was killed, (like all the other adults). Strange as it may seem, it would not be that unusual to survive five body shots from distance from 7.65mm ammo.
@Dopey – I don’t think information of that detail has been released. The French police have been reluctant to confirm any ballistic details.
@Anders
re: comment at 11:05pm
See, that’s much better! 🙂
Found on the shore (no claims made as to authenticity)
Today (06.09.2012) at 0750 we received information that a Defence Advisory Notice or ‘D Notice’ was in effect with regard to certain facts about this story.
No mention of his links to the Security Services
No mention of his links to Iran
No mention of his links to nuclear weapons research
No speculation regarding Israel involvement in the killing
The only place you are going to read about the real facts of this story are on sites like Indymedia.
Manchester based Journalist
http://s3.zetaboards.com/For_My_Jee/topic/7589929/1/
dopey the link you gave is suggesting that angry iraqi brit was building a nuke in his shed because he hated the yanks and he was Al Qaeda.
since you seem to know lot’s of stuff i here Al Qaeda is a sub division of cia and osama died in 2001.
do we really need another garden shed nuke when david cameron knows where some spare real ones are from his south african david kelly days
@tony roma does it? I must have read too quickly, and missed the shed nuking posts. It was his business partner James Barnett mentioned on there I was looking for muck on.
Found a load of interesting stuff to do with Bin Liner/Bush/Adnan Khashoggi/CIA and Barrick Gold a few years ago…but thats another thread 🙂
Tony…..the spare ones were nicked by Brennenkampf yes? Korea tested one… 3 left. hence nuclear explosions act 1998. SAH was not making bombs no way.
Yes strange one that Jammie Dodgers I was a designer on the Stingray torpedo project and I am still alive – well just 😉
@emptychambers
Say what now? Was that another ad hominem response or just an insult? Please clarify. Thanks.
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nice firm what a safe building he works in.
you could almost call the building spook town follow the road down turn right onto shit street.
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I wouldn’t read too much into Mollier being shot more than the others. The likely explanation is that the body shots were fired from a distance, and the two to the head were from close up to ensure he was killed, (like all the other adults). Strange as it may seem, it would not be that unusual to survive five body shots from distance from 7.65mm ammo.
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I see you have been cribbing from all my 7.65mm info, muzzle velocity, powder options etc.
Keep it up! 🙂
If I was a member of the secret state wishing to put people off the scent, I would contribute to public forums posing as a fanatical conspiracy theorist; that would discredit any alternative theories of how things might have happened. Or I might just sit back and let the seriously paranoid do it for me.
I cannot be the only person put off this site because of a few unhinged people being allowed to dominate. Moderators – please sort it out.
Funny how certain things happen by coincidence. Sky News Brunt was in Cyprus with Crimestoppers chasing costa del crime baddies and Desmazes is touring around with his camera.
@badger
@Dopey – I don’t think information of that detail has been released. The French police have been reluctant to confirm any ballistic details.
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But this chap has! 🙂 😉
Read back to the felix posts detailing the Mossad guns crap at the Independent, and the top MOD firearms “expert” spouting more bollocks. 😉
dopey the link you gave is suggesting that angry iraqi brit was building a nuke in his shed because he hated the yanks and he was Al Qaeda.
since you seem to know lot’s of stuff i here Al Qaeda is a sub division of cia and osama died in 2001.
do we really need another garden shed nuke when david cameron knows where some spare real ones are from his south african david kelly days
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Precisely
Think him Kelly and thatch” lost” 5 😉
Tony…..the spare ones were nicked by Brennenkampf yes? Korea tested one… 3 left. hence nuclear explosions act 1998. SAH was not making bombs no way.
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Something like that 😉
new here, first post, forgive me if stating the obvious, but it seems like there is a bit missing in the two girls whereabouts, that might indicate something – or not. Just giving my piece of the puzzle:
everybody seems to take for granted that the 4 year old hid under her mother’s dress. since there was in fact a baby chair in the passenger seat, she would have been sitting there. This also mean there must have been enough time for her parents to be frightened enough to take her out of her chair and order her to hide in the back seat. This does not only mean the family had been to the parking for a while, but also that they had been scared for some time.
Another thing, which I don’t know if it is of any relevance: Iraq doesn’t accept dual citizenship when entering the country. If the grandmother was supposed to go to Iraq, it is therefore natural for her to bring her iraq passport.
@Anders
Really? Come on Anders. MI6 reference I guess?? Must do better. 😀
But seriously, I’ve not got the skills you obviously do (I mean that in all honesty), but the industrial angle niggles me. BAE EADS merger, especially as the people with most to lose are ‘US aerospace and defence giant Boeing’ http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-19584078
Who is RAFman currently employed by?
Just raed a tweet from journo who was in Annecy for 1st press conf. This tweet is from 10 hrs ago stating that Millaud believes the origins of the murders are in the UK ???. What does that mean…and surely those origins are now gone since the arrival of officials to Claygate..