My post on the shootings in France has brought tens of thousands of people to this site – but not to read my dull contribution. People are coming to read the comments from other readers.
Today’s development of the bomb squad descending on the al-Hilli house does not in itself worry me enormously. You may recall the massive terror scare that was ramped up when some Muslim students in Manchester were found to own a bag of sugar.
In fact we have the opposite phenomenon today, with the spook-fed “security correspondents” on TV lining up to tell us it is probably just everyday household stuff. This deviation from the standard Islamophobic “Muslims = bombs” narrative is so startling it makes me wonder why the “move along, nothing to see here” line is being taken so quickly.
My own security services sources insist that al-Hilli was not a person of current interest to the UK intelligence agencies and was not involved in anything clandestine. I have no reason to disbelieve them. On the other hand, the limited and confusing information in the media is almost entirely from official sources. I find it very strange indeed how little attention has been paid to the murdered French cyclist, and how easily it is presumed he was just a passerby. Surely it is as likely he was the intended victim and the al-Hillis the accidental witnesses?
Please do read the comments on my first entry on the subject to see the debate unfettered by the censorship in the mainstream media. This is perhaps my favourite comment:
From Janesmith101
All comments regarding Sylvain, Al-Hilli and a possible nuclear link are being removed from sites I’ve posted on in The Guardian, Independent and Huffpo UK.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/sep/09/alps-killer-motive-baffles-police
Here was my comment, I added as a point of fact it was completely speculative and an unproven theory in a later comment, also removed.
Sylvain Mollier, the ‘passing’ cyclist, was in fact a nuclear metallurgist who worked for a french nuclear company called Cezus (a subsidiary of Areva). Cezus fabricates and processes zirconium into metal and nuclear grade zircoaloy for nuclear fuel assemblies – it also has other applications in aerospace such as components and ceramics for missiles and satellites. Mr Al-Hilli was also a skilled aerospace engineer, on what looks to be his first camping holiday.
What is the probability that two highly skilled engineers managed be at the same remote place, at the same time, yet still managed to end up dead as a result of what looks to be a military style assasination?
As someone else pointed out in The Independent comments, the deceased were found by a ‘retired’ RAF officer who, we assume, will recieve perpetual anonymity as a witness. If the police are looking for a motive, try an intercepted rendevous by a security service fixated on denying a hostile power illicit nuclear technology.
http://wrmea.org/component/content/article/162-1995-june/7823-israel-bombs-iraqs-osirak-nuclear-research-facility.html
The Huffington Post UK reports that this wasn’t the family’s first trip to the camp site. An earlier report had asked other camp site visitors whether they had seen the family before and they had replied they hadn’t. If this isn’t wasn’t the first visit by Al-Hilli, it might slightly increase the odds that he knew or had met Mollier before, this being the last in a series of rendevous of a transactional nature. Mollier lived and worked locally.
Again, I’m not sure of the truth of these reports, there is some very sloppy journalism, as there is always seems to be. I’ve read for example Mollier’s company Cevus descirbed as a steel firm something which it is patently not, but perhaps it may have been a detail lost in translation.
An interesting comment summing up some of the strange coincidences, at least, surrounding these murders. My other favourite comment calls me a “macchiavellian shill”.
I have only one thought of my own I want to add at the minute. Al-Hilli was a Shia muslim and had been on pilgrimage to Qoms in Iran. What if it is indeed true that he was in possession of no especial nuclear or defence secrets to pass on to the Iranians, but the Israelis thought that he was? The Israeli programme of assassination of scientists involved in Iran’s nuclear programme is a definite fact. It makes as much sense as anything else at the moment, as a possibility.
I am not saying that is what happened. But the directions in which the mainstream media is being so strenuously pointed by official sources, like the massacre of an entire family over an inheritance, are certainly no more inherently probable. Certainly as we are now told all the shots were from one gun, for the assassin to get each victim in the head with none of them being able to escape, indicates real proficiency with the weapon and a very high level of training.
So lots of people seem to buy the story of RAFman.
Though he said actually nothing interesting or didn’t give any answer.
He just showed you a nice face, nice voice, giving you a name.
He’s suddenly credible cause “he exists”.
But I would bet my car this man never put a foot in Chevaline.
Just one question :
from day one he should have been the main suspect :
1st man on the scene of a murder, blood on the hand, no witness, he didn’t call any emergency service.
But he was considered from the 1st minute “above-suspicion”, “helpful” and “with a great sense of observation”.
Worse “he” said stories that have been either contradicted, false or weird (after all what about the car/motorbike he saw ?)
The authorities don’t care cause they know since day one who did it.
So, my question : now that RAFman bought some credibility at the TV (talking about “movies”, yes that’s what people want to hear, that’s how they imagine a crime scene…), what logical elements make him not the 1st suspect ?
Maillaud said he doesn’t know who did it and why but that Mollier is without a doubt a collateral victim and that without a doubt the answer to all this is in the UK.
In other words France and UK gvts know everything and the UK write the story now…
Honestly : Why not ? Maybe they work for our own good and maybe we don’t need to know everything.
But sadly I find they are not very good at writing the story…
(yes something fucked up somewhere)
@james if the central locking is engaged, depending on the settings, it cant be overridden by someone who tries to open the door via a handle.
If he is who he says he is ?
If he was “the first on the scene” ?
If “the cyclist down the hill”, is there to stop anyone leaving ?
And that’s the problem. Who knows what !
I ask from the interview…..
Why take the pulse of a man thats been shot in the torso…and twice in the head.
I am “guessing” you’d “kind of know” he was dead ???
I’m wondering why he didn’t try to flag down the passing 4×4 and bike. He had no problem with phillipe D when he reached him so why didnt he try to do the same with the other cars he claimed passed him.
Dopey.
Mine could on a 535 (driver side) (never tried the pax side).
It was a previous car many years ago.
Just tried in my car just now.
A large estate….with a “history of safety”.
…and it did.
From the inside, with the doors locked (central locking), the pax door from the inside could be opened.
Not (of course) from the outside.
Dopey
“I’m wondering why he didn’t try to flag down the passing 4×4 and bike”.
He was on the way up the hill when they passed him.
But Fillion-Robin said he didn’t see any other cars that day (only the BMW)
…and the “French hiker…and the ladies” didn’t pass any cars or motorbikes either !
So what’s what here !
James
Mine (not bmw, lexus) sometimes opens via the handle on the drivers side, and sometimes wont. Without trying it out to remind myself, I think if the central locking is engaged via the fob the driver handle will open the door. If doors are locked via a button on the drivers side door then the door wont open via the handle.
There a few different paths converging on that car park as well as the one tarmac road.
It’s hard to tell from google earth etc how dense the woodland is surrounding this car park, but it’s not out of the realms of possibility that a 4×4 doesn’t need roads, or necessarily paths. That’s the whole point of 4×4’s right (Unless its a chelsea tractor that would get stuck in a 1cm puddle).
There is soimething in the Telegraph saying that he had gone for a job at CERN, CERN is 43 mins away from Annecy was he looking for a home to buy so that the family could move out with him. Im sure if he had been accepted at CERN its not like he could tell everyone, ims ure securtiy is pretty tight!
What would a Sat engineer do at CERN?
Was something found whilst doing his security checks?
https://ert.cern.ch/browse_www/wd_portal.list?p_web_site_id=1&p_function=new&p_no_days=31
First off who goes to an illicit meeting with their family or on a pushbike?
If it had been an old lady who came across scene Anders777 would still say she was involved! He’s from Icke forum after all-everything is a conspiracy to them.
Do you think Police didnt check out RAF guy as a suspect at the time? How many assasins ride pushbikes FFS.
Al Hillis were probably forced into that area -maybe via a roadblock or a vehicle forcing them onto a different route.Assasin had to be following them as it wasnt a route they likely took regular.
VEry likely shady goings on but the two cyclists are just that.Cyclists.People have overactive imaginations.
Mr Anders before you cry “shill” maybe get a reality check.
@James
now go away
You wish!
😀
Good luck with the topic-shift to automatic central locking… can you pls explain exactly what the relevance is?
It’s alleged that Saad Al-Hilli worked on a particle accelerator at the Rutherford Lab.
What could have possibly been found on a security check? Ex-Iraqi with links to the Baath party? Links to Iran , wife and previous pilgrimages?
Bikes would be used as it is a very popular sport in this area, probably the most popular in the summer and would not make anyone suspicious! hide in plain sight!
Interesting article:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/alps-family-killings-gunmen-made-sure-to-finish-off-their-victims-20120909-25lx7.html
@HonestJohn
First off who goes to an illicit meeting with their family or on a pushbike?
This was answered ages ago, either on this thread or the other one.
Do you think Police didnt check out RAF guy as a suspect at the time?
They did not conduct powder tests on him to see if he had recently fired a weapon. Neither did they conduct any other forensic tests (eg for the reported blood on his hands).
So no, he was not treated as suspect at the time.
@Ricki Tarr
Link to torygraph article pls?
Zainab al Hilli has been discharged from hospital and left France for unknown destination. That was sudden.
Rat boy…
Relevance !!!
Dear boy ! You and Master Anders have Mollier sat in the front seat of the BMW, the girl stood god knows where….and Mr Martin armed to the teeth firing his czech made, Balkan smuggled machine pistol, cycling and firing !!!
Relevant yet ?
If she’s in the car, the car reversing…then she escapes… your goofy theory is all it is ! Goofy !
Couldnt firn the telegraph one but was mentioned on another site but did find the link above that mentions the job at CERN.
@ferret
I think I started off the central locking vein. I mentioned yesterday about whether a parent would lock their car doors if their daughter was outside and a gunman was a few feet away.
Hence debate as to how the car doors came to be locked then ensued.
Telegraph CERN link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/9530821/France-shooting-two-shots-to-the-head-the-killers-were-ruthless.html
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@Dopey – Cheers!
This thread has become as long, or longer, than the famous ‘9/11’ thread of a couple of years ago and in a fraction of the time. Coke?
Btw, while all this psychology is fascinating, and I’ve seen it deployed in trying to ‘read’ politicians and so on, you know that in general the best liars are the ones who do, say and act all the right things.
I think we’ve run out of new facts and so are fixating on eye movements: Right, left, right, left…!
Right now, I am looking up at the celing, with both eyes simultaneously. What might that mean, d’you think?
“Right now, I am looking up at the celing, with both eyes simultaneously. What might that mean, d’you think?”
That you can touch type?
As stated before, how do we need this interview footage isn’t mirrored, thus right = left , left = right.
There is no text anywhere in the background and I couldn’t see a wedding ring.
If I was a spook vetting the release of this kind of footage I would flip it horizontally to throw these sort of forums off track.
Suhayl …..it means you can touch type?
That interview .. what’s with the potted palm, the mirror on the right hand side, the wardrobe doors and the strange way they meld into the sofa or whatever it is behind our former RAF hero?
Any significance in any of that? Anybody an expert on ‘mise en scene’?
Anybody have an address for Ahmed Al-Saffar?
“Right now, I am looking up at the celing, with both eyes simultaneously. What might that mean, d’you think?”
As are all the “spooks” tuning in for “hot tips” !
;D